When was the last time the first 3 picks in the draft were attached to the same school?
Holy crap...sigh...hate to admit it, but no wonder OSU is the power house they are. Essentially the first 3 picks of the NFL draft are current OSU players or a player that was there for multiple years and left because they couldn't break into the starting lineup and then went on to have the greatest statistical year a college QB has ever had.
When was the last time that a single college team was attached to the first 3 picks in the NFL draft? Has it ever happened before? I effing hate OSU, but what they are doing is amazing...and it just makes me even more angry with where we are. I guess I need to move towards acceptance.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:06 AM ^
His shirt was nauseating though.
He actually graduated from OSU.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:26 PM ^
Just wonder which will be this ohio corner's 3rd NFL team in 5 years. Probably the Raiders.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:32 PM ^
Ok, so OSU recruits like crazy, pumps out NFL talent, and runs an elite football factory?
Not news. However, with just 2 national titles to show for it over the past 2 decades, do we now say Tressel and Meyer underachieved? Did they choke away national title opportunities?
Hey, if you recruit like Bama, you should be winning like Bama, right? Not to mention the easier path to the BCS title game and CFP given the weaker conference.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:08 AM ^
Fair point. I still can’t believe they lost last season. They were a buzz saw heading into the playoff.
That's the story of OSU.
It's not like they don't accomplish much (national titles are hard yo), or that the players don't develop. But somewhere along the line, they become the exact sum of their parts.
They've had some bizarrely nepotistic hires but I'm skeptical that's the reason; no program is perfect and it doesn't seem to hurt them whenever they bulldoze the conference. If I was to guess, I think the reason is Michigan. They're going the Dantonio route and making Michigan their entire season, as their fans demand. But Michigan is their last game of the season. We've been getting slaughtered at bowl games because our seasons effectively ended at the hands of Ohio State, but. . . doesn't that also work in reverse? After preparing so long for the season finale, any playoff appearance is a trap game to them. Has anyone heard they spend a chunk of every practice preparing for Clemson? Well then.
Since they've started making "beat Michigan" a cult religion at the program level, they seem to regularly underperform in the postseason.
+1 Interesting theory.
Umm... here's where your theory sucks: Ohio State is 5-3 in postseason games since Urban was hired. That's pretty good, especially considering they're matched up against the other elite programs in the country in most of those games.
Also, don't talk about nepotistic hires without acknowledging that the same thing goes on in our current staff.
Tressel not so much because he was mostly a regional recruiter not like Alabama. Meyer I think did under perform. He did so when he got cocky and thought he could get by with inferior assistants. When Tom Herman left, Meyer thought he could just promote Warinner from OL coach (where he was terrific) to offensive coordinator (where is a total dud) and added Tim Beck as assistant OC (another under performer). He did this I think so he could be more in control of the offense. In 2015, they should have won the NC again based on their talent but they couldn't decide on a QB. They alternated Cardale Jones and JT Barrett. These are both good QBs but they have decidedly different skill sets and Meyer tried to fit one system to fit both of them and it didn't work. They they played Michigan State in Columbus on a very bad weather day and the offense was laughable. They did nothing but run the QB up the middle. In a day that didn't favor the forward pass, they ran Zeke Elliot exact 12 times and lost by three points. From that day, Meyer fell in love with JT Barrett and that is why Joe Burrow won a Heisman for LSU. He also started to hire friends rather than superior assistant coaches which resulted in a defense that gradually eroded until 2018 when it stunk up the lot. (There was a reason why Ryan Day didn't keep on defensive coach except Larry Johnson when he took over as head coach). So, yes, Meyer did under-perform.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:34 PM ^
No need to sugar coat it. We will never get to Ohio's level with Jimmy in charge.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:09 AM ^
Never is a long time. Hopefully Manuel doesn’t wait that long.
I remember way back in 2016 when we were quite literally less than an inch away from going to the B10 championship game and probably the playoffs. But yeah, Harbaugh should be fired because he will definitely never win anything.
Why do fans bring up 2016 and "the inch"? That is smoke and mirrors. Who cares? The REALITY is Harbaugh is 0-5 vs his rival with the most historic ass kicking ever put on Michigan by OSU. His Bowl record is bad. His teams preparation and performance in Bowls is even worse (have looked completely unprepared). Horrible record vs. ranked teams and even worse against ranked teams on the road. He has no signature win. Beats teams he should and we lose most games where we are evenly matched and all games where a team is better.
But yeah, there is this mythical "inch" that is supposed to make us feel better (that's what she said)!
You are 100% correct in your assessment of 2016 being "way back." That was a lifetime ago, pal. In both pro and college football, the mindset is very much a "what have you done for me lately?" What has happened since 2016? Michigan has been outscored 149-86. The last two years they have been completely outclassed and gotten thorough ass-kickings up and down the field. OSU has a roster that is head and shoulders above Michigan's right now. Outside of maybe Nico and maybe Charbonnet, I don't think any of Michigan's starters would be starting for OSU right now. Maybe a couple more like Cam and Ambry crack the two-deep, but for every 5 star Michigan has on its roster, OSU has 4-5 more that are just as talented as that guy, if not moreso.
I'm not in the Fire Harbaugh camp, because I think the odds of Michigan finding someone better are incredibly slim, and if they want to beat OSU consistently, I think its going to require a complete cultural overhaul of the entire football program (and possibly athletic department as a whole), and I honestly don't think that's something that the powers-that-be at Michigan are willing to commit to.
Yup. I think this is just the nature of the changing landscape of college football. There are a hand full of programs that dominate on a consistent basis and we just have to hope for one odd year where the stars align for us to get a shot in the B1G championship and then at that point it's just one game and anything can happen.
Yeah! How have people forgotten to hang their hats on that one time we almost did something!?
How foolish of people to not cherish the near victories.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:43 PM ^
I don’t know. How about you research that and report your findings here?
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:46 PM ^
Remember the 90's when the roles were reversed and we were beating them on the field, competing for national titles, and they were wondering how they would ever flip the script? Then they did.
For everyone on this board who thinks their advantages are too much to overcome, get over yourself. We can recruit better. We can develop better. We can play better. There's no magical recipe for beating Ohio or winning a B1G championship. It's 11 players on the field in the right spot with the right strategy. I believe our coaches now have the right strategies but they're not putting the best 11 guys on the field (in terms of recruits). We can't recruit at a Top ~15 level and hope to get it done, it has to be near Top 5. Harbaugh and Brown and Gattis need to get the best of the best if we want to match up. We've updated the schemes (finally). We went toe to toe with Alabama before our lackluster QB play doomed us. We're literally RIGHT THERE.
I don't know how you can see us recruit Jabrill Peppers and Rashan Gary and then turnaround and say "we can't get those guys" because online classes, bag men, etc. etc. We did it before with this staff, our basketball team has reached the title game twice with the cleanest coach in the game. It's time to hold our coaches accountable for the lacking recruiting operation (a fact that every insider has seemed to acknowledge lately). I love Jim, I think he can get it done. I'm just tired of doom and gloom when we know Harbaugh can get the results we want.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:58 PM ^
They are getting 3-5 Rashan Gary/Jabrill Peppers level recruits every recruiting cycle. Wake up, it's not the 90's...there's no parity, top players are consolidating towards 4-6 programs and we ain't one of them.
And Gary was a hair away from flipping to Clemson. We lucked into Peppers because his father was a huge UM fan. We just aren't competitive with Bama, OSU, UGA, LSU and now Clemson for these elite players.
That about sums it up. Look at the Michigan won/loss record since the year 2000. Then add our record against Tressel, Meyer and now Day. Not good.
We're about equal to Penn State in terms of the Eastern B1G division. We're tied for #2.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:11 AM ^
I do remember that. You know what Ohio had to do to get over the hump and back into contention....?
April 24th, 2020 at 10:40 AM ^
OSU sold its soul to the devil to win games. They hired a coach (Tressel) who had a cheating issue at YSU. OSU didn't care. Then they hired a complete scumbag in Meyer to continue winning...again because they didn't care.
When the fuck will UM stop caring about integrity? They'd rather lose with integrity than win by cheating. All of the best programs right now cheat. That's a huge reason why they can attract the best recruits. But hey, I guess the people leading UM are OK with being owned by OSU, winning 8 or 9 games a year, and having recruiting classes nowhere near the talent level of the elite programs in the country.
To be fair to Meyer, he is not a scumbag as you say. He did not have one issue at OSU that was not immediately dealt with. He has never been accused of any serious NCAA recruiting violations, ever. Meyer is a recruiting genius and his recruiting department has 46 people in it (i'm told), mostly students and part timers but they are fantastic recruiters. You find me the bag man and I will agree he is a terrible person but I don't believe there are such things at OSU. Ryan Day took Meyers recruiting infrastructure and actually improved on it by hiring the best bunch of recruiting assistant coaches that exist in college football. Michigan could do this but they don't Why they don't I don't know but you can't just put your hands over your ears and just keep screaming CHEATERS.
See I don’t know that Harbaugh can get it done as you think he can. The talent gap is going back to being as wide now as it was before he showed up, if not wider. Michigan takes a handful of guys in each class who have the potential to be instant playmakers. OSU litters their class with those guys every year. We get Jabrill Peppers, Rashan Gary or Dayton Hill one year? Great. OSU has 4-5 more guys in that same class just like him.
Also, the mental state of Harbaugh’s program when it plays OSU just isn’t there. You can see it with all of the stupid mistakes they make or fucking untying JK Dobbins shoelace at the bottom of a tackle pile. What were they seriously trying to accomplish there? I don’t think Harbaugh and his players are afraid of OSU, but I do think his players are terrified of making mistakes. They feel the weight of having lost almost every year for the last 20 years, they feel so much pressure to be the ones to finally end all the misery, and then boom. That leads to a mistake. That mistake leads to another mistake, and before you know it, OSU is up 14-3. OSU is all business with this game. They can easily come in cool, relaxed and confident that no matter what happens, they have what it takes to win.
No, it’s not impossible to beat OSU. They’re human just like everyone else. But Harbaugh has his chance to flip the script in ‘16, and it didn’t happen. I think OSU has essentially shut the door on him taking back any ground in this rivalry. Michigan can beat them. I just don’t know if Harbaugh is the guy that can lead them to do it.
April 24th, 2020 at 10:41 AM ^
I'd wager that Lincoln Riley can take UM to the promised land.
April 24th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^
I'm sure that was at least a somewhat tongue-in-cheek response, and you're right, he probably could. But why would he ever come here?
He's got a sweet setup at Oklahoma, already has his program built in his image, and his schedule is nowhere even close to as tough there as it would be here. His biggest challengers are an inconsistent Texas team, a Baylor team that just lost its HC, and an instate rival in OK State that shits its pants every time they meet each other on the football field (sound familiar?). Why would he trade that for PSU, OSU and MSU every single year, and then Wisconsin for 4-5 years in a row?
Michigan is at best a lateral move. He'd never come here no matter how much money you threw at him. Only place he's leaving Norman for is the league.
He could but Michigan doesn't want to look for someone like that because he's not a "Michigan Man".
When a bench QB leaves OSU and wins both the Heisman and nation title, it's an epic fail and embarrassment for OSU. Burrow's a generational talent, possibly the best QB talent in a couple decades and capable of winning multiple Super Bowls at the next level. Only complete idiots would fail to recognize that kind of talent and allow him to leave and take ALL the trophies elsewhere. He had to leave OSU to realize his potential (any potential really) and OSU has no claim to his success. I am a big Burrow fan.
The actual history is not embarrassing for OSU. Burrow was in a dead heat in competing for the starting QB job in 2016 (I think) but he broke his hand in spring practice and fell by the wayside due to that injury. When Day became the OC, Burrow was still in competition for the starting job competing with Duane Haskins. If he would have picked Burrow, he knew that Haskins would transfer so he picked a guy who he thought he was going to get two years out of. It was a shock to everyone that Haskins lasted for only one year and went pro.
In summary, Burrow was just star-crossed at OSU and as a result he went to LSU and the rest is history. He is still one of the most beloved players at OSU.
Urban stockpiled talent like lunatics are hoarding TP. The one positive I can take away is he was so arrogant that he didn’t see Burrows talent. Until Harbaugh stops trying to turn 2 and 3 stars into 6 stars we will continue to be OSU’s whooping stick.
The mysterious OSU bagman was found last night:
Gucci is right about this, as usual. It is harder and harder for me to follow college sports because of this.
Just pay the players already. They deserve it.
Pretty rare. Usually the first three picks involve the Dolphins, the Browns, and the Jaguars, and only one of them ends up being a good pick, on average.
April 24th, 2020 at 10:22 AM ^
I hate them with passion, but I have to admit until we get closer with amount of talent their dominance will continue. Only one good thing is they didn't win the national championship.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:59 AM ^
Yes, thankfully they are a choke team. They have been loaded for 2 decades now and have 2 national titles to show for it. Bama has 5, and their run began about 12 years ago when Saban took over. LSU has 3, Florida has 2, Miami has 2, USC has 2 in the same time period - and their periods of dominance were much shorter.
OSU could easily have 4-6 national titles in the past 20 years given the talent they've brought on and positions in the BCS and playoff they have been in. Their dominance is brutal to watch for any Michigan fan, but at least they suffer deeply by getting so close and then choking on a fat nut...Pun intended.
OSU taking credit for Burrow is like us taking credit for Michael Phelps. Both trained under coaches at those schools so it's not a big deal. I know most of you hate OSU (for no good reason) but they recruit better, develop better, and invest more time into their program than we do. That's why they're better. Not because of luck, refs or any other shitty excuse.
In turn, Michigan will NEVER be on the same level as OSU without turning into a football factory. Either you want a cultural change or be HAPPY & SATISFIED when we win 10 games a year. I don't care either way but too many people here pretend that we can magically win big 10 titles with scheme changes.
Yea, and Don Brown has just recruited several three star players to his defense. Hmmmm. Ya got to wonder.
This begs the question on how Ohio State is recruiting. Are they compensating these recruits in some way shape or form? On the other hand, the coaching staff there is developing them to be pros. Can't knock that.