What do all 8 CFB Blue Bloods have in common?
We've been asking ourselves the question throughout history: What makes a program a blueblood? The answers we've come up with have been very arbitrary and subjective
Now I think I've found a nice standard measuring after Michigan won this national title. There are a mere two criteria to meet that I think are very fair:
If you spent any major amount of time in a conference you must have at least 30 conference titles in your history AND you must have 3 wire service AP and/or Coaches' Poll national titles
This criteria as of now in the current membership of the Football Bowl Subdivision is mutually exclusive to bluebloods: all 8 traditional ones (Michigan, OSU, Bama, USC, Oklahoma, ND, Texas, Nebraska) have now achieve this standard and nobody else in FBS has
This is a very fun debate to have and I understand my argument is not the final absolute say on the matter, so I'd love to hear your input on this
January 18th, 2024 at 1:45 AM ^
There were "Leaders" and "Legends" divisions when they joined, not East and West divisoins.
They were in the division with us (I forget if it was "Leaders" or "Legends").
January 17th, 2024 at 5:47 PM ^
Arguably, their decision to switch conferences hasn't aged well. I think, less so, because of the particular conference change and more so due to leaving the Oklahoma rivalry behind. Of course, that all shifts again, with next season.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:55 PM ^
Nebraska just got to spend 10 years in the Big Ten West. Changing conferences wasn't the problem.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:08 PM ^
Ask the Blue Blood question in 1960, and Minnesota CLEARLY would have qualified.
Obviously not now.
Nebraska is running this risk right now.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:27 PM ^
Before professional football became so lucrative for players, the service academies were blue bloods.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:36 PM ^
They were also really good whenever we were at war.
January 17th, 2024 at 5:43 PM ^
I might add PSU. Might also consider the Florida schools plus maybe Georgia (even if they aren't exactly traditional)
January 17th, 2024 at 5:46 PM ^
4 in new B1G, 3 in SEC and one independent. B1G is going to be tough.
Looks like a good list. Nebraska may fall off but I don't think we can deny their blood status.
January 17th, 2024 at 5:46 PM ^
I think this overweights stuff that happened a very long time ago. I don't think Nebraska can still be considered a blueblood when it (1) hasn't won a conference title in 25 years, (2) ranks outside the top 25 in AD revenue*, and (3) doesn't really have a path back to upper echelon (even if I do think Rhule will do a good job there).
*It kinda sucks that revenue is so important, but I think it has to be considered when talking about modern bluebloods. Per this list, 5 of your 8 bluebloods rank in the Top 10, 2 are not listed due to data unavailability (ND+USC are private), and the last one is Nebraska, which ranks 26th.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:03 PM ^
Per the googles:
A blue blood is an aristocrat. Blue bloods come from privileged, noble families that are wealthy and powerful.
So I think weighting stuff from a long time ago is sort of the point. This isn’t a list of the nouveau riche.
But yeah, Nebraska is like Rose’s family in the Titanic. Blue bloods, but desperate to hang on (referring to Rose’s mom.)
January 17th, 2024 at 7:18 PM ^
Haha, fair enough, but eventually you have to lose the status, right? For instance, Army and Pitt both actually qualify under the 3 national titles rule* (and, like ND, were independent for virtually all of their history), and I assume no one would argue that they're bluebloods?
*Yale, Princeton, Harvard, and Cornell would also qualify, but I think we can solve that problem by saying you also have to be a current FBS team.
January 18th, 2024 at 9:47 AM ^
I was going to say “What about Army” but you beat me to it.
Then you get cases like Minnesota who fall well short on the conference titles (only 18) but have 7 national titles.
I’d look at winning percentage, both total and years above a threshold as possible good filters. That would weed out those FBS schools that were good for a few decades 50 years ago.
Only 6 schools have a winning percentage above .700. They are M, ND, TX, AL, OSU, OK
January 17th, 2024 at 7:36 PM ^
Pretty sure Nebraska football has a lot of money. They still sell out their 90,000-seat stadium every week. They hired Rhule while paying Frost's expensive buyout. But it's getting hard to call them a blueblood when their last conference title was in the 20th century.
January 17th, 2024 at 5:49 PM ^
I'm a staunch believer there are only 7 blue bloods. No Nebraska.
January 17th, 2024 at 5:55 PM ^
Penn State is a blue blood. I don't like 'em, but it's true.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:19 PM ^
blue and white blood.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:09 PM ^
That's a good start. Probably Heismans (min 3) and total titles (min 6, pre AP ok), total wins (850+). Conf titles not as important in my book.
Nebraska feels off here. The rest are the 7 blue bloods in my book.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:12 PM ^
I agree with your 8, but also agree with others that I would consider Penn State a blueblood. I don't think any others would really come close to qualifying by any metric.
"New" bloods would be Miami, Florida State, Florida, LSU, and Georgia. I also feel like Tennessee belongs in the conversation, but perhaps their on-field results don't measure up to their overall perceived significance.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:30 PM ^
I agree with Penn State
Also, I consider FSU to be a blue blood.
19 conference championships (was independent for forty years).
3 national championships
14 straight years ranked in the final AP top 5 from 1987-2000
January 17th, 2024 at 8:52 PM ^
Everybody else on the blue blood list was a blue blood while FSU was still a girls school. They are still a new blood, for now.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^
It’s interesting to look at this from a traditional conference perspective.
PAC = USC
B1G = Michigan and OSU
Big 8 /12 / SWC = Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska
SEC = Bama
Independent = ND
January 17th, 2024 at 8:53 PM ^
Add Penn State to the Independent list.
January 17th, 2024 at 10:15 PM ^
Minnesota had a lot of conference titles. (And in a very strong conference!)
January 17th, 2024 at 6:19 PM ^
Ped State, Georgia and Florida State would be knocking on this door.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:43 PM ^
The Grey Bloods
January 17th, 2024 at 6:30 PM ^
Miami has won 5 AP titles, 3 of them as an independent, and in 34 seasons of being in a league they won 9 league titles (granted all in the Big East - which coincided with 2 of their national titles and includes their 2001 "greatest team ever")
I think the "any major time in a conference" has to be defined. It seems like a ND carve out, which is fair, but then should absolutely include teams who've spent less than 40 years in a conference - winning 75% or more of your league titles is crazy in any era, and especially crazy as conferences have gotten bigger. Miami and Penn State do, I believe, both fit this criteria - but I wouldn't call Miami a "blue blood" because their whole schtick (much like Oregon) is that they're the new kid on the block, loud, brash and unafraid.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:02 PM ^
I wouldn't count Miami because they fail the "is a school" criteria.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:41 PM ^
I have a blue blood strategy based on performance, historical performance, fan base and television draw and would include the following:
1. Michigan
2. OSU - As much we hate them, we need them
3. ND - Same
4. Penn State - I don't care about the formula
5. Bama
6. Texas
7. Georgia
8. Florida
9. USC
10. Tennessee
11. Oklahoma
12. LSU
I would love to see these 12 schools leave their current situation and form a super conference. The TV contract would be enormous.
I left Nebraska off the list because I think the circumstances that made them a blue blood have past them by and they are essentially Iowa.
I have no problem leaving Staee out of this and do not think Minnesota fits the bill but think it would make sense to schedule games with these institutions in recognition of historical rivalry. Staee will fume but then again we didn't want them in the first place.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:30 PM ^
How Tennessee over Nebraska though?
(I understand this is your opinion, nothing wrong with that, just curious your rationale there!)
January 17th, 2024 at 8:55 PM ^
Too much recency bias.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:40 PM ^
I would love to see these 12 schools leave their current situation and form a super conference.
Sorry, but this would be an absolutely terrible idea, for the same reason that the Super League was a terrible idea in European soccer. Who wants to finish in last place?
Our "brand" is better off in a league where we face a mix of opponent calibers than one where we face nothing but peer programs.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:29 PM ^
But jmblue, the TV contract, the TV contract! As a fan isn't your priority the TV contract??
January 17th, 2024 at 6:46 PM ^
Being a winning program generation over generation.
I think once you’ve had 2 consecutive generations (40+ years) of winning culture, you’ve become a blue blood.
Obviously I would start the “blue blood” qualifying talk around the time helmets came around, lol.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:33 PM ^
Does a generation need to be 40 years? More like 20-25. And does that change things at all?
January 17th, 2024 at 7:42 PM ^
I was saying 40+ years is 2 generations, sorry if I didn’t clarify well enough…
for instance, Oregon has had about 20 consectuive years of great winning culture in the recent era, so I would say they are half way to being a true blue blood. So we will see how they navigate the next 20 years
but now that you say that, the ancient Hebrews did call 40 years 1 generation.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:52 PM ^
The obvious criteria here is consistent and high level success across multiple eras and coaching regimes. So, USC, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan qualify. But then Minnesota also qualifies there because if the early and mid 1900's.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:01 PM ^
Have given this a fair amount of thought and research.
The top 10 teams in all time wins and win % are nearly interchangeable:
Wins - Mich, Bama, The Ohio, ND, Texas, OU, PSU, Nebrasker, UGA, Tenn, USC (that's 11)
% - The Ohio, Mich, Bama, ND, OU, Texas, USC, PSU, Nebrasker, Tenn, FSU, UGA (that's 12)
For me there is an upper tier - the creme, and then a 2nd tier. That is Michigan, Bama, ND, Texas, USC and yeah The Ohio. OU certainly has an argument to be in there. At the millenium Nebrasker was actually 3rd in all time wins. They are now 8th. If you look through history it's a bit funny but many were calling the Big10 the Big 2. But that is really what the Big 8 should always be known for. Neb & OU simply kicked the shit out of everyone in their conf. for 100 years. That's not as true in the B1G. Minny, Wisky, Sparty, Illinois, Iowa (and Chicago) all had sustained solid years of success. If you look at PSU - they were independent forever - they actually played some decent teams over their history, and a whole lot of nobodys. They've played nearly 400 games against non FBS schools. Far more than any of the other top dozen mentioned. Not neccessarily their fault. There are a shit ton of colleges in Pennsylvania that play football.
So to me there isn't some major separation but there def is a line on who is in the upper echelon and who is on the next tier.
Tier 1: Michigan, The Ohio, Notre Dame, Texas, Bama, & USC (they get here on Heismans & All-Americans)
Tier 2: PSU, Nebrasker, OU, UGA
Tier 3: FSU, UF, LSU, Tenn
January 17th, 2024 at 7:22 PM ^
This feels a lot like Stew Mandel's "Kings and Barons" breakdown that I enjoyed but cancelled my Athletic sub because of his bloviating so no longer have access to
January 17th, 2024 at 7:14 PM ^
When I look at this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_football_teams_by_wins
Everyone in the Top 20 (minus the Ivies and D-III) looks like they belong. Clemson might be new to the party. Auburn maybe isn't consistent enough. But the drop off is significant after that.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:17 PM ^
Hot ass cheerleaders
January 17th, 2024 at 8:38 PM ^
Blue Balls
January 17th, 2024 at 7:29 PM ^
All you youngin’s with the recency bias forgot about the big one - University of Chicago!
January 17th, 2024 at 7:33 PM ^
If you spent any major amount of time in a conference you must have at least 30 conference titles in your history
This effectively rewards ND for being independent and punishes all the other former independents (Miami, FSU, PSU, et al.) who had the guts to join a conference.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:25 PM ^
Screw ND....the holier than thou a-holes.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:59 PM ^
ND is likely going to go at least 50 years without a national title. The one benefit to being part of a conference is at least winning a conference title if the MNC, BCS or CFP title was out of reach. Losing to OSU sucked in 2004, but the guys on the team still got a conference championship ring.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:11 PM ^
If you spent any major amount of time in a conference you must have at least 30 conference titles in your history
Maybe my history doesn’t go back far enough, but isn’t ND and Independent? How do they have 30 conference titles?
Also, to hell with Notre Dame
January 17th, 2024 at 8:22 PM ^
Georgia's blood may not be blue, but it's damn purple.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:32 PM ^
Wouldn't argue with any of the names on this list as it is.
There are probably more that should be on the list, though I don't know how they stack up with these specific criteria, which seem to be rather arbitrary; there are others we might consider - such as records, revenue, TV ratings, brand name recognition, recruiting rankings.
Given the changing nature and relative strengths the various conferences over the years, the number of conference championships (30) also seems rather arbitrary.
FSU and Penn State might be arguably on this list (or very near) and they were independent for many of their glory years; and leaving out ND from this list (with no conference championships would be absurd.
As far as the "smell test" Tennessee, LSU, Washington, and Georgia are some of the names that come close
January 17th, 2024 at 8:44 PM ^
I think this is also well measured by whether a program’s prominence (an admittedly fuzzy term covering recruiting ease, revenue, media coverage, etc.) significantly wanes during program downturns.
By this measure, I might argue that *zero* blue bloods have either been newly upgraded or newly downgraded since the University of Minnesota football program became downgraded after their last NC in 1960.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:46 PM ^
Man, hopefully no Rutgers fans wander in here and see this level of disrespect. They invented college football, after all!
It might be ancient history, but you did include ND and Nebraska on your list.