Way OT: The Joys of Homeownership

Submitted by Blue@LSU on May 26th, 2021 at 1:12 PM

Mods please take this down if it’s too OT, although it might also be helpful to others that are looking to buy a house.

So I just took another kick in the nuts this morning and it got me thinking about others’ homeownership problems. Misery loves company after all. So please chime in with your own stories. Anyway, here’s my issue.

I bought this house (my first house) 4 years ago (May 2017). It is an older house, from the 1950s, so I knew there would be issues. But the location is great (location, location, location, 5 minutes from work, etc.) and it is an established neighborhood where housing prices never really go down. I had no idea that it would immediately turn into a money pit.

1. The original hardwood floors started buckling within the first 4 months. They actually raised about 4 inches in some areas, went down in the winter when I stopped using the AC, and then buckled again in the summer. Last spring they buckled again and haven’t gone down. I found out last fall that the subfloor is rotting and needs to be replaced. But I can’t get the subfloors replaced yet because…

2. They also found water under the house. Like most houses here, it is pier and beam which means that it is raised about 12-14 inches from the ground with an open crawl space. Water drains from the back yard and settles under the house. Hence the subfloor rotting. I need to have a drainage system set up around the house before I can replace the subfloors. Otherwise, they’d just rot again. 

None of this was picked up in the home inspection. In fact, the inspector wrongly claimed in his report that there was a drainage system. So now I need to put in a drainage system, replace the subfloors, and install new flooring.

3. There have been on and off problems with the AC. I’ve spent about $2000 for repairs over the last three years. After another visit today they told me I need a new AC system rather than repairs because it’s almost 20 years old (from 2003). I was surprised at this because I clearly remember the inspector saying it was a newer system. So I checked the inspection report and, yep, he said it was only 4 years old (installed in 2013) when I bought the house. It’s actually 10 years older than he said it was. 

I won’t even mention the periodic drips in the roof (supposedly a 5 year old roof when I purchased).

Other than these issues, I really love the house. Great neighborhood for running/walking the dog, big yard in the middle of the city, etc. 

So what are your nightmare stories? Is it too early to start drinking?  

DrunkOnHiggins

May 27th, 2021 at 7:46 AM ^

I bought my first house in June 2019. A nice little brick ranch built in the 50s. Solid as a fucking rock. I was very lucky and have not had any major issues. I did add a chimney liner but that was after I got the seller to knock $2K off the asking price. I still think I'm waking up in a dream world every day. I can't believe I have my little house in my little neighborhood.

St Joe Blues

May 27th, 2021 at 8:17 AM ^

My previous house had a chimney on the end of the house for the fireplace and furnace, so the entire thing was exposed down to the ground. When we moved in, there were a few bricks at the top that were spalling. It was on my to-do list to get someone out to replace them, but months turned into years and all of a sudden the spalling increased pretty rapidly. I had a buddy who was a retired mason look at it. He said there were about 20 bricks that needed replacing and he recommended a couple local masons. It took 2 YEARS for anyone to show up. These guys were so busy that it was 6 months just to get on their schedule. Then the 1st guy didn't even show up despite my confirming a week ahead of time and taking the day off work to help him get set up. By the time I got someone out there, we'd been through 2 more winters. The chimney had to be torn down to the roof line and rebuilt, and a number of random bricks below the roof line were also replaced. Cost - $7,000.

But here's the silver lining. The house was built in the early 50s housing boom when materials were in short supply. The chimney flue had 8-12 inch gaps in it because, apparently, they couldn't get enough flue material to build it to the proper height. The mason I used said he'd seen this before a number of times. He showed me pictures of the crumbled cement that was put in place to fill in between the flue sections, all charred and black, and the damage from flames that was getting perilously close to the roof. He said if we hadn't rebuilt the chimney, there was a strong possibility of the house catching on fire.

King Tot

May 27th, 2021 at 8:21 AM ^

I bought my first ever house this month. I cycle between love and loathing. The most loathsome thing is it turns out the place has roaches. Vile creatures that I will be happy to send to their tiny little graves. 

I think generally there was a lot more wrong with the house than I thought but I think that is partly due to being tired of searching. It is a 130 year old house that is bound to have many things go wrong. That being said I think it will be worth it. I can walk to work and the town I live in is improving drastically.

Perkis-Size Me

May 27th, 2021 at 8:48 AM ^

We've been fairly lucky so far with our house. Been here for just under four years. Couple minor things here and there, couple renovation jobs (but those were for things we wanted vs. things we needed) but for anyone who is considering buying a house, DO NOT HIRE THE INSPECTOR THAT YOUR REALTOR RECOMMENDS. Do your research and find an independent inspector. 

Remember that at the end of the day, your real estate agent is not your friend. They may seem like it, but they are not. Their job is to get you to the closing table and sign those papers by any means necessary. Sure, any real estate agent worth their salt will still want to recommend someone good because they'll want your business again one day, or they'll want you to refer them to someone else. But a lot of realtors are not like that. Some are just slimeballs as well as the inspectors they hire. Some are perfectly happy to sell you down the river and never get your business again because they know they can lure ten other people in to replace your business later. 

Unless your realtor is an actual close friend of yours, a family member, or someone you flat out 100% know you can trust and has placed your best interests above them getting their commission, thank them kindly for their inspection recommendations but tell them you'll find your own inspector. You want someone who is going to come in and give an honest assessment. Someone who preferably has no connections with your realtor and has no incentive to help them out. 

koolaid

May 27th, 2021 at 10:18 AM ^

Sorry to hear that--water problems with houses are no fun.

You might want to try the simple things. Water in basement can be removed with a drainage system as you said, but that water is coming from somewhere. Drainage might be something that is an easy fix:

  • Look for any broken or clogged downspouts and add downspout extensions to get water further away
  • Make sure water slopes at least 5 feet away from house all the way around and add dirt if it doesn't.

Dantana

May 27th, 2021 at 12:17 PM ^

We moved into our house in 2019. It was the house I grew up in but we wanted to renovated, modernize and "make it ours". Prior to moving in we took out a wall to open up the first floor, replaced all the carpet, installed hardwood in the first floor, added a master bath and repainted everything.

Since then, we have re-sided entire house, replaced all gutters and drains, replaced water tank, tore out old and installed new asphalt driveway, installed new garage door and opener, and put trex decking on front porch.

This summer we need to power wash and stain entire deck and install a new opener in barn.

In the next 1-3 years we are looking at new roofs for the house and barn and likely a new furnace and A/C.

Don

May 27th, 2021 at 1:10 PM ^

We bought our first house in 1989. It was a tiny shack—620 sq ft—built on the far west side of A2 within the Allen Creek flood plain. It was a ridiculous dump, but it was cheap and it came with a fenced double lot yard, so it worked for two parents, a young child, and a dog.

The very elderly neighbor next door told us that she had watched it being built out of used wood by a drunk hillbilly carpenter back in the 1930s, and once we took possession and I started the renovations I could see what she wasn't exaggerating. The paneling in the living room was cheap, crumbly fiberboard, and once I tore it out I could see that about half the wall studs were jimmied together out of two or three shorter lengths of lumber. The upstairs bedroom was a converted attic, and a sizable portion of the ceiling paneling was literally double layers of cardboard coated with fake stucco paint

The funkiest part of the place was the basement—it was basically a Michigan basement whose walls had been covered over with an inch or two of concrete. Half of the floor area was comprised of a bench or shelf that was about three feet higher than the lower level. The seller had installed a new sump pump with an open channel chopped out around the perimeter of the lower floor area filled with pea gravel that led to the sump drain.

I'd had no clue about sump pumps before, so when the first thunderstorm hit, it was an eye opener. Not only was the channel filling with water rapidly enough that the pump was emptying about once every 90 seconds, but at several spots along the foundation wall adjacent to our driveway, rain water was literally spouting out of the wall in an arc. It was an education about hydrostatic pressure.

The pump was wired into the electrical system, so inevitably there came the time when the power was out while it was raining buckets, so things got a little wet on the lower level of the floor. Fortunately, I'd had the good sense not to store anything valuable on the lower level but instead put stuff on the higher shelf level away from the water.

After about 10 years we wanted a slightly larger place in town, and our experience with the water in the basement meant there was no fucking way we were going to buy anything that was prone to that issue again. We sold the first place for twice what we paid for it, and found another small place on the west side of A2 on a hill. The ground slopes away smartly from our foundation on three sides. While we're still technically close to the Allen Creek drain, our house sits at least 40 feet higher than the underground drain in the ravine across the street, so it would take a flood of Biblical dimensions to affect us. 

Even so, the seller said there were problems with an occasionally damp basement, and offered to pay for additional landscaping work to increase the slope away from the foundation. Since the basement was very dry when we inspected, I was curious, and in the course of nosing around outside I discovered that the two downspouts in the front of the house which drained the north and south sides of our roof gave a weirdly solid *thunk* when I tapped them.

The first thing I did after closing was yank those downspouts off, and both were filled solid from top to bottom with God knows how many years of old leaves and other organic crap in them. That meant that rainwater would back up in the gutters and spill over the side, right onto the ground next to the foundation. No wonder there was an issue with dampness in the basement.

With the new downspouts in place and long horizontal extensions to empty the rainwater well away from the foundation, we've never had any water in the basement in the 20+ years we've lived here, and we've had plenty of torrential downpours in that time.

If I was to give advice to a first time homebuyer, it would include 1) Avoid buying homes in low-lying areas where sump pumps are necessary; 2) Make sure the guttering system is in good shape, which includes yearly maintenance esp. in the fall; 3) Buy the crappy house on the good block.

Seth

May 27th, 2021 at 1:31 PM ^

I don't have the energy to share my sewer nightmares right now. Suffice to say, inspect for roots, and if you have clay pipes and trees anywhere their canopies might extend, just slip-line that bad boy right away.