Was Michigan's Offense Better When Jedd Fisch Was Coaching It?

Yes

So much for the offseason shakeup of the coaching staff. 

Yes. 
The OTs were better but the interior was worse.  FSU is still having free rushers to the QB but they moved the ball.  The difference is now when the line gives good protection nothing comes of it. 

UM did nothing last night to help the OTs. No screens, no chips, no swing passes.  The O just hasnt looked good since Pep got here. 

Pep's O couldnt move the ball last year against Air Force or Cincy.  Later in the season the only way to move the ball was running it. 

Pep has never coordinated a good offense without Luck. I think he keeps getting jobs because he is a good guy who is down to earth with a level head.  But, that doesnt mean he can scheme. 

I know it is JH's offense but someone is suggesting plays and there are only so many seconds between plays. 

Speight sure seemed to take a step back when Jedd left.

The line is the root of the problem, but Pep isn't helping. We just don't have the players to do what he wants to do.

Harbaugh gets a lot of blame as well.

I don't think Fisch was any better than average as a college OC. We've just been awful since.

What is Jedd up to these days anyway?

Our offense was better pretty much every year before these last two over the last two decades

Our offense this game and last year is really the worst I can remember. I'm in my mid 20s. I dont recall ever having this little faith in our team to score a touchdown

Red zone? Pfft we look the lions. You inevitably know were just going to kick a field goal is what it feels like

This is Jim Harbaugh's Offense, he calls the plays and chooses who the QB will be.

If you would actually pay attention to the video's you post on here you would understand that.

Bring back Jedd!

And Graham Glasgow! 

I remember an off season anonymous coach quote after 2015 that said that we run new plays in 60% of our offense every week (or maybe it was 60 new plays?). Either way, that seems like it's no longer the case. Hardly any type of creativity. Jet sweeps, end arounds, Fullback dives, wheel routes. We did all sorts of trickery type things in 15 and 16 and it worked great. Now, it seems like they're trying to run an NFL offense. This is what made Lloyd Carr's offenses so terrible the last few years. 

Yes

Yes.

Look. It's very clear that Jedd is a better now. There are still significant amount of fans thinking about him after two years. He helped the QB to develop through out two seasons. Not so much for Pep. Pep may be a good teacher, but that doesn't mean he's a good game plan designer and good play caller. Those skills take another level to make a choice in a few seconds and work with what the defense can give them.

Let's zoom out this problem in a larger time span and scope. the fundamental problem is still Harbaugh himself. Let's put out a few points here and think about it.

1. Harbaugh's incompetent decision when he started in Michigan in personnel and hiring in offense.

He hired Drevno, promised him OC. I don't want to say this is a disaster hire, it's not.  But just look around the NCAA, tell me a good OC that his primary background is a O-line coach. we saw many failure before. you will find some good HC are from OL coach, but not an good OC who is from OL coach. For some reason, Harbaugh offer him probably enough to drag him out of west coast. But he screwed up big on this one to being loyal for this decision for just one year too long and cause unhappy Wheatly and Jedd to leave. We lost two very good offensive coaching staff on both recruiting and player development. Again, my point is that even JH's calling style is by committee, and he is the ultimate filter of every single play call, he still needs the running game and passing game coordinators to feed him the play options. Drevno is not too bad on running calls but likely limited to his power play, not the zone stuff they start at the beginning of the last season.

Then, another his fumble is Jay Harbaugh. We could have spent the same amount of money to hire a top 15 RB or TE coach, but because he's JH's son, he got the job. It's not the problem of the offense. But he was masked well in the program to become "not the problem". We could have hire a better coach to contribute more. Just look how Saban handle the business with their OC and staff, there is a reason, as much as we hate Alabama, you cannot deny how well Saban manage the team on both coaching staff and players. You can say whatever you want on his recruit talents being superior to anyone else, but Saban is very competent when it come down to hire an OC, and provide the best opportunity to their players to succeed. Harbaugh fumbles this hard. I am okay with Chris Patridge on the team because he's too crucial to lose for recruiting. But Jay Harbaugh is pretty much replacable  here, if he can find a same RB or TE coaching job on another TOP 15 P5 team, I will shut the fock up. The chance is he won't in short term.  

2. Harbaugh's decision on hiring Pep and stick with him.

We have enough sample size now to see the down trend on offense, including RED ZONE OFFENSE (yes, I put it on CAP), 3rd down pass selection, a predictable game plan. Harbaugh is likely the one who choose the play call. But it's clear to me that what the options he got from Pep is much worse than what he got it from Jedd. There is reason when JH had a high praise on Jedd after a few games. He's creative. It takes a lot to have the skills to call the right play at the right time. Harbaugh is a very good HC, but he still need good support around him. We have to realize that he's no magician. He's above average when it come down to QB development, but he's no magician on that either.

Guy, don't be disguised by the AMAZOn all or nothing series. I completely agree with other fans on that film on Pep. they are trying to protrait him as a good play caller and the problem last year was on Drevno and the players just for recruiting purpose. But that doesn't align well on the field last season, not the first game this season. His play calling is supbar.

It's hard to see Harbaugh is a good coach we love to put himself on the hot seat with these incompetent hire. Look, Joe Pa or Jim Tressel or Urban Meyer can hire their sons or mentor's grandson. But they have solidify their position by winning championship in the program. Harbaugh is not there yet and cannot afford to do that. I am sure a lot of fans are like me, very disappointed with his decision on the offense, We have all the talents on all positions except for OL (issue got amplified due to RR's incompetence in recruiting OL, Hoke's incompetence in developing OL)

3. What Harbaugh said about Stanford and Michigan is very true. Unfortunately, you cannot deny that.

I know there will be a lot of disagreement here. But been seeing the Stanford team Harbaugh coached in Stanford. They have less physical talents than the current Michigan team. But it's very obvious that they play very smart. Some of those smartness translated to many of those players' NFL career.  they have a very thick playbook, probably 3x more thicker than what we currently have. It takes limited time for player to prepare for the season in NCAA, a smart, high IQ player, group and team can make a lot of difference how he/they can grasp the concept and put into action. And in the fourth year of JH's career in Michigan, we are talking about simplifying the play book?! Simplifying the play book/play call in the fourth year? You smell disaster and mismanagement here.  That tells you something if JH's play book is at least similar or fundamentally close between this two eras. He knew he has to adjust now, but couple with bad OL development and bad OC. Not easy. It's quetionable now even he relegate Pep and promote Jim McEwain as OC. his offense in Florida is not promising either. we can only pray the OL player develop well enough to survive the season. But I don't want Pep to be on this team next year, not as OC or primary play call/game plan designer.

I like Jim Harbaugh and still on his bandwagon, but the patience is fading given my take on his offensive coaching staff decisions in the past 4 years. Some of them will not be easy for him to change, for example, his son's hire. Don't give me crap that Jay Harbaugh is okay. Again, we can find more competent coach to replace him no matter what position he coaches on at this point. He can be a good coach down the road, but not here and not now. This is not pointing finger to a single person, it's Jim Harbaugh's mismanagement in his offensive hiring.

Harbaugh has plenty of 2-3* offensive linemen coming in the 2019 class. Problem solved. 

Year 1 of Harbaugh was, arguably, his best year.  So much more competent and it seems we've gone backwards in various areas each year.

I think it's become abundantly clear that David Shaw had more to do with Stanford's offensive success than JH did. 

Yes, light years better.  That's not even debatable.  I suppose the debatable part is Jedd's level of involvement in the excellence of the offense vs. Harbaugh's.  At this point though, I would certainly be willing to gamble and out the throw game back in jedds hands.

The idea that Jedd Fisch was coaching the offense is preposterous. We know how Harbaugh structured his staff. Why would Fisch have more say than the guys do now? Why doesn’t anyone else want to hire hm?