The Wagons are circling around Emmett and the NCAA - New York may join California
NY is looking to join California in putting pressure on NCAA to abolish amateurism with a bill to allow athletes to profit off their personal brand
September 18th, 2019 at 7:21 PM ^
It’s about damn time. Hopefully everybody joins and let’s these kids profit off of their own damn likeness. The NCAA is a complete fucking joke. Those crooks should have to pay their employees (the student athletes.) Or at least give them the chance to make money for the damage they do to their bodies.
Also, I’m selfish and really want a new NCAA video game, so this could potentially speed that process up.
September 18th, 2019 at 7:23 PM ^
CNTRL + I
September 18th, 2019 at 7:32 PM ^
He’s never going to fix it. Claims it’s the only way his computer will let him post or something.
Which is not a thing.
September 18th, 2019 at 7:53 PM ^
it’s an iPhone you twat.
September 18th, 2019 at 8:00 PM ^
You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. It's the OP...circling wagons is a defensive maneuver. The NCAA would be circling the wagons.
September 18th, 2019 at 8:21 PM ^
I have an iPhone SE and I’ve never had this issue. However, out of curiosity I googled the problem and there are plenty of iPhone users who have mysteriously developed issues with their text entries being bold or italic, with no apparent cause or clear way to fix it.
September 18th, 2019 at 8:26 PM ^
iPhone always auto-corrects to iBpone for me.
September 19th, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^
My iPhone XLE does the same thing
September 19th, 2019 at 2:00 PM ^
Wow.... you ACTUALLY went and researched this? PWND
September 18th, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^
Actually my iphone will only let me type on this blog in bold print. No idea why.
September 18th, 2019 at 8:01 PM ^
My key board will only show up if I click the italics. Hence why I only type in italics. I’m glad somebody else understands this.
September 19th, 2019 at 5:26 AM ^
I have been clicking the bold icon to get my keyboard to show up. Then I just click it again to turn off bold and the keyboard remains up. Or you could write everything in italics then select all when you're done and press the italics button. Doesn't matter if the keyboard disappears then because you could just save.
September 19th, 2019 at 7:27 AM ^
My keyboard only works if I am right, therefore everything I type is right :)
September 19th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
I'd reset your phone (General --> Reset --> Reset All Settings). I do this every 6 months or so to improve speed and get rid of any annoying bugs.
September 19th, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^
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September 18th, 2019 at 7:25 PM ^
They may not be paid in cash , but they do get free room , food and an education in exchange for their playing .
Im all for them getting some money , if say they sell jerseys with their name and numbers for example. Give it to them after they graduate .
But lets not act like they get nothing out of this .
September 18th, 2019 at 7:43 PM ^
Why do they have to wait. They can’t be trusted with money? Let them make their own decisions.
September 18th, 2019 at 7:45 PM ^
When they’re done being a prostitute they can have their money. You can’t trust them with money, they will just spend it foolishly. Best to let the pimp hold onto it.
September 18th, 2019 at 7:50 PM ^
Let's not act like what they get is commensurate with what they provide.
September 18th, 2019 at 8:02 PM ^
They also get free training. To me the real problem is the NFL and (to a lesser extent) NBA. They need to create a minor or development league. Going to college to better one's game should be a choice, and there is no reason colleges should provide their minor league. Young men and women should be free to take the career path that suits them.
September 19th, 2019 at 12:24 PM ^
Correct. The great, great majority get WAY more than the value they provide.
Michigan has about 1,000 Varsity athletes. Maybe 30-40 are bringing in more value than what they are provided.
The other 96%+ are getting a good deal.
September 19th, 2019 at 1:08 PM ^
Which is why they should be allowed to profit on what their name, image, or likeness is worth on the free market.
September 18th, 2019 at 8:03 PM ^
I'm sure you'd willingly work for a company where they provided you with a house, required that you take mandatory training in something completely unrelated to your current job, and didn't allow you to make a salary. All while your boss makes north of $5 million a year off of your hard work.
September 18th, 2019 at 9:00 PM ^
Damn right I have, it's called an internship. and what my boss or anyone else in the company made wasn't the point. It was a voluntary agreement.
For as long as they are in school (and some of them actually appreciate the plan-for-the-future-school aspect eventually) they are pampered with the best food, training, medical care, education, travel, etc. and get the exposure they ALL CRAVE to get to the NFL.
Oh yeah, they get paid as well, just not a lot. (but more than anyone paid me in school)
Now if some individuals can make extra bank on their likeness, great, put it into a fund until they quit, graduate or leave early for the draft. It's insulting for some of you to whine "can't they be trusted!" like that's the only reason to not hand 17-18 year olds millions of dollars. I think it would be more important for locker room/team unity to have the money banked til they leave for whatever reason.
Do they make a lot of $ for the school? Sure, but the faux socialist workers-of-the-world-unite chants around here are tiresome.
September 18th, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^
Today I learned that getting paid commensurately to the value that you create is socialism.
September 18th, 2019 at 11:13 PM ^
Most people don't get paid remotely equal to the value they create.
Every company on earth would go out of business if they did.
Yes, they make (gasp) money for the university.
These kids are not slaves living on the scrap heap of society.
They get compensated in various ways, does it equal the value they create?
For some of them, hell yes, it's a great deal, for a few elite others, no the market would value them much higher. (so let them profit from their likeness)
No one, and i mean NO ONE gave a shit about college athletes getting paid until the dollar amounts in college football (coaches salaries, stadiums, locker room champagne fountains!) started getting high.
Where where those principals then?, who was thinking of the children?!
Now that (some) athletic Depts are rolling in cash everyone thinks the players are SO mistreated.
I think much of the outrage over college athletes not getting paid is just a proxy for everyone who isn't a fortune 500 CEO wanting to know where their 20 million bonus is?
September 19th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^
Has anyone advocating for player compensation ever said it is not because of the amount of money that's been brought in by major college athletics? It's much easier to defend a system without compensation when there aren't BILLIONS of dollars being dolled out to all the participants in the system except those risking physical injury.
No one says these kids are "slaves living on the scrap heap of society." Where have you heard that? In your view any time someone speaks up against exploitation, they are necessarily equating that exploitation with slavery?
It sounds like you're arguing against a system that would require compensation be paid to all athletes. This is decidedly not that - this is the removal of an artificial cap on compensation and a move towards a free market.
September 19th, 2019 at 12:31 PM ^
In 2014-2015 P5 revenue was $2.1B
There were 64 P5 Schools with 85 football players and 13 basketball players for a total of 6,272 athletes per year largely responsible for that revenue.
Assuming that other sports not just football and men's basketball need to be counted you can come up to a rough number of 300 scholarship athletes per P5 school, and this is still probably on the low end. That would give you 19,200 scholarship athletes responsible for the revenue.
Now using the NFLPA collective bargaining agreement as a guideline we can say that these 6,272 athletes are entitled to 48% of the $2.1B revenue. which gives us $1.008B in revenue.
So $1.008B divided by 6,272 gives us $160,714 per player each year on the absolute high end just for Football and Men's basketball.
So $1.008 divided by 19,200 gives us $52,500 per player per year. This number starts to look awfully close to the cost of attendance for a single year when factoring in Tuition and Fees, Room and Board, Academic Tutoring, etc.
Now of course these are averages. Some players will be worth much more and some worth much less. It is uncomfortable to say but male student athletes are probably worth more than female student athletes, would Title IX allow this? I'd imagine that most Seniors would be considered worth more than Freshmen. But the average is a good number to start with for a discussion.
Profiting off of their likeness is an interesting idea. But how does it work?
When Networks shows a promo for an upcoming game do they have to pay every player that appears in the promo?
Do networks have to form a contract with every player for all the games they intend to broadcast? If this is the case I can see televised college football returning back to the 70s where only the big games got broadcast. This might actually result in higher in person attendance as it would be the only way to see your team play...
Do universities have to pay players when they use a picture of them in a program, or does the waiver that they signed as students cover this scenario?
I'm sure most of us are ok with players making money on a youtube channel, or selling autographs online. But once you get lawyers and legislators involved all bets are off.
September 19th, 2019 at 2:00 PM ^
How does Tom Brady profit off of his likeness? What about Steph Curry? Do they have to get lawyers and legislators involved? You just tried to make a reasonably sensible calculation regarding revenue splits and then completely shoehorned the compensation for likeness into the outcome you wanted. It's silly.
September 20th, 2019 at 3:52 PM ^
It is a genuine question.
Brady and Curry are compensated for appearing in televised games by their collective bargaining agreements promising a certain % of the revenue...
Perhaps that isn't the definition of profiting off of their likeness... but how does the California law define "profiting off of their likeness"?
September 18th, 2019 at 9:33 PM ^
Even if "they can't be trusted" is a straw man argument, what, besides the interests of spectators, are the reasons you think major college athletes should be required to have their compensation deferred? Why isn't the timing of their compensation something the market should decide?
I had unpaid internships too. I also had paid internships. The great thing for me was there was no rule prohibiting me from getting paid. All that mattered was whether my experience, skills and performance merited compensation. And I can assure you, I was a shit load worse at stuffing envelopes than Devin Bush is at playing football.
September 18th, 2019 at 11:27 PM ^
I'm not sure what the "interests of spectators" means in regards to deferred compensation for players. ??
The timing of their compensation is going to be determined through negotiation with whomever is paying them. (The School) So even if you think throwing millions at some 17-18 yr olds doesn't pose any ethical risks (how bout a mandatory money management class). There are things like deferred bonuses, payment time scales, etc. all the time.
I suggested deferment of money due to lockeroom unity. Yeah, it has to due with age, experience, maturity. I just think it would throw a hugely unstable element into a team dynamic.
Maybe its too high handed, but a school could offer matching bonuses to you know, stay in school and actually get a degree. If you can leave early for NFL $ then so be it.
September 18th, 2019 at 10:13 PM ^
Hmm idk what you’re interning in but 90% of any internship I know worth a damn pays its interns pretty fucking well.
September 19th, 2019 at 4:56 AM ^
We used to get interns at my work that weren't allowed by their university (CMU) to get paid.
September 19th, 2019 at 12:22 AM ^
How would you feel if someone outside of your profession thinks you shouldn't get paid until later, simply amazing people try to justify this.
No one should be involved in someone else's financial situation as it's none of their business
September 18th, 2019 at 9:21 PM ^
No...the correct analogy would be that I'd agree to work for said company and get housing, knowing full well what the C-Level employees and the training that I'd be required to take. Only after signed the contract would I complain about being exploited.
Watching this board have this discussion AGAIN is agonizing.
September 18th, 2019 at 9:39 PM ^
But you're leaving out a few key facts from your hypothetical. In your example, the reason you'd be offered no compensation while working would be because that company and a hundred other companies got together and decided they didn't want to pay you.
That fact alone makes your example sound crazy, like a violation of antitrust law. Because it is. The reason the NCAA is exempted from that is circular at this point.
September 19th, 2019 at 6:31 AM ^
Actually, it is more like all the branch offices of the same company got together and decided that interns wouldn't get paid at that company.
NCAA athletic programs are not the equivalent of a bunch of competing companies. Any of them could pay players if they wanted to, they'd just have to leave the NCAA to do so.
September 19th, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
The fact that any of the universities could leave the NCAA to pay players illustrates exactly why a consortium of athletic programs, from universities with distinct P&Ls, leadership, etc. is nothing like a multi-division company, it is a collection of different companies. If a "branch office" of a corporation wants to do things different than HQ, they can't just up and leave the company - company leadership alone would determine whether their actions (or desire to be sold) are permitted.
September 19th, 2019 at 8:15 AM ^
The real question is whether the free room, board and tuition are comparable in value with their name and image rights. For star players, their name and image rights are worth far more than the scholarship value.
I think these kids should be able to earn what they are worth. You can’t tell me that Tua or Trevor are only worth roughly $150k spread over 3 years. If we consider scholarship to be their “pay”, then they are severely underpaid vs their value to the ncaa and their schools.
September 19th, 2019 at 9:23 AM ^
They get something, but it does not amount to their market value. Coaches and athletic departments get revenue based on their market value. With so much money being made players not getting their market value is a bigger travesty.
Unless you're into socialism I suppose.
September 18th, 2019 at 9:47 PM ^
Does this mean athletic scholarships go away if kids are getting paid?
If that’s the case then goodbye smaller programs.
September 19th, 2019 at 12:15 AM ^
Do lower division schools offer scholarships? There’s no scholarship for Ivy League sports. The absence of scholarships or money doesn’t preclude a sport from existing. There’s stricter limits on non revenue sports in terms of scholarship numbers and full rides and those teams exist and compete.
September 19th, 2019 at 12:28 PM ^
When he says "smaller programs" - he is talking about smaller FBS programs (even a number of P5 schools) where they currently aren't making any money on athletics.
Only about the top 40 schools in FBS break even on athletics. The other 90 lose money and are subsidized by student fees.
September 19th, 2019 at 1:35 PM ^
If you can't sustain your athletic programs without student fees, then stop trying to sustain sports. Or stop paying your coaches so much money and giving them insane buyouts. Or stop spending stupid amounts of money on facilities to "keep up with the Joneses" or whatever excuse they have. I don't care one bit if a school like Eastern Michigan decides to stop playing football because they can't afford it. Be smarter with your money; you're a university and your first priority should be educating the students who are paying to attend your school, not worrying about whether you can field a damn football team.
September 18th, 2019 at 7:24 PM ^
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September 18th, 2019 at 7:25 PM ^
I would prefer other states get in on this. The last thing we need is Urban Meyer taking over USC being able to use this as a recruiting tool on top of all of the other shit he has up his sleeve.
September 18th, 2019 at 8:21 PM ^
Just because a state passes a bill doesn't mean colleges can start paying players. The ncaa rules supersede state laws. If a player gets paid the ncaa can still rule them ineligible and strip the team of victories. Just like pot. The state of Michigan says I can smoke it, my employer still says it's a fireable offense.
September 18th, 2019 at 9:23 PM ^
The ncaa rules supersede state laws.
That is not true at all:
As a private trade association, the National Collegiate Athletic Association is generally free to adopt any bylaws that it wants. But there are two important caveats to the general principle of non-interference with trade association rules. First, a trade association such as the NCAA may not enforce any bylaw that violates federal or state law. Second, a trade association must enact its bylaws in good faith, and in compliance with the "basic rudiments of due process."
With these two caveats in mind, there is a strong argument that any attempt by the NCAA to ban California member colleges from competing in postseason events based on their compliance with state laws around names, images and likeness would violate both federal antitrust laws and state common-law rights.
September 19th, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
The NCAA could stop operating in CA and NY and make the rest of the country stop playing sports against teams located in those states.
I'd imagine that their main profits come from the Midwest and the South. Losing CA would hurt, but I'd imagine we'd get our 4 super conferences this way.
Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and ASU would join the big 12 putting it to 18 members, then Oklahoma and Texas could leave and join the Big Ten which would leave both conferences at 16 members and a stable conference left for Oklahoma State and the other Big 12 Texas schools.