befuggled

December 14th, 2022 at 1:45 PM ^

Spielman did beat Michigan once (in 1987, right before the Lions drafted him) and as a linebacker he wasn't the face of Ohio State the way a quarterback would have been.

Having said that, I'd be fine with the Lions drafting Stroud in the first round if I thought Stround was a can't-miss pick. I just don't see it, though. I could see taking him in the third round, though, but he'll likely be gone before then.

He may surprise us and be a decent NFL quarterback, but I don't think it's worth the risk.

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LSA84

December 14th, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^

Fields is not a good passer.  It's his running that keeps him from being a disaster.  Stroud doesn't have that.  He is a pure pocket passer and doesn't want to run at all, probably get injured if he did.  

OSU QBs have it too easy.  That's why they are typically busts in the NFL.

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jdib

December 14th, 2022 at 4:00 PM ^

OSU offense makes it easy for a QB.  Not saying Stroud isn't gifted by any means and often times he shows nice touch on the ball when left to his own devices but under pressure he tends to crumble and precisely to your point:  He won't have half that time in the NFL that he does playing for OSU to make decisions.  He will be under duress more often than not and especially for a team that might choose him with a high draft pick.  No chance he'll land behind an upper echelon o-line. 

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m_go_T

December 14th, 2022 at 12:24 PM ^

If the Lions think Stroud will be an "excellent" NFL QB they should 100% draft him.  I don't agree though. He looked great against overmatched teams, but when the rubber hit the road he didn't deliver and was really the main contributing factor to the "OSU is Sawft" meme.  There were numerous times he could have took off running against us but elected to throw the ball away or check down for minimal gain. 

If you compare him with JJ, JJ never seemed to shy away from contact and at times seemed to actually overly it (much to our collective concern).  Stroud, on the other hand, faltered when the game got too physical.  Also, he plays in an offense that is meant to make it super easy for the QB and has had four of the best WRs in recent college football memory.  Wilson and Olave are competing for NFL offensive rookie of the year.  JXN was better than both last year and would have been a top five pick but for his hamstring.  MHJ may end up better than all of them.  He will not have that luxury in the NFL.  

Lastly, his reaction to Michigan this season and last does not give me warm and fuzzy feelings about his leadership qualities.  In the NFL, your QB has to be a leader and he seems more like a whiner than a winner.  I say his upside is Goff-like, but I'm getting more Joey Harrington Vibes.  Lions would be wise to avoid Stroud, and if Carter and Anderson are off the board, should trade back (1st this year and first next year). 

The only offensive player the lions should really consider in the first round, IMO, is Bijan Robinson.  That kid in this offense would be insane. I would also be ok with taking a flyer on Levis or Richardson with the second first rounder if available, provided Holmes and Campbell believe that they can develop them into something better than Goff.  Goff is good enough to win in this league, and win lots if they don't have to break the bank on him.     

 

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Blue Middle

December 14th, 2022 at 12:08 PM ^

Ok is exactly right.  I don't think Goff is good enough to win a Superbowl.  He's not keeping the Lions from progressing, but I do think he puts a ceiling on the Lions' potential.

The game has evolved.  All of the best QBs now have the ability to improvise and threaten defenses beyond pocket passing.  Goff does not offer that.

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Mr Miggle

December 14th, 2022 at 12:14 PM ^

Stroud certainly doesn't offer anything beyond pocket passing either.

I guess the point is that Goff is good enough that the Lions shouldn't spend a first round pick on the best QB available. They can wait for someone they really think can be a future star or at least fits well with how they want to play. 

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Blinkin

December 14th, 2022 at 12:49 PM ^

Regardless of how hard I try to take off my Michigan fan goggles, I really can't see Stroud as a meaningful upgrade to Goff, and certainly not in the context of what the Lions are today.  Goff may put a ceiling on what the Lions can accomplish, but right now they're not at the point where Goff himself is the limiting factor.  That time may come in the next couple years, but not right now.

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NotADuck

December 14th, 2022 at 12:55 PM ^

I feel like if you draft Stroud you're drafting a younger version of Goff.  Both are tall, accurate passers that don't have much mobility.  They can both be put off their spot with a bit of pressure.  They have the same strengths and weaknesses.  IF they draft a QB, which I don't think they should, it had better be Bryce Young.  That's the only QB I want in this years draft.

Give Goff one more season to lock down the job.  If he keeps playing at his current level, he keeps it.  If not, draft JJ McCarthy next time.  :D

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nowicki2005

December 14th, 2022 at 11:20 PM ^

The team can significantly improve drafting defense and they have cap space. They are set to be very competitive for years. The thing is, is Goff a super bowl caliber QB? He has two years after this year. Then we are ponying up 40 plus million a year for 5 or 6 years, maybe even after next season or even after this if he wants to make an issue about an extension. 

 

Yes he has played well, but still a middle of the league QB. I don't really see him any different than Cousins.

 

If they could get the franchise QB with mobility they would be set. I don't think stroud is going to be that guy. I do think k he is going to do really well though. Is it Bryce Young? Maybe. 

 

It's a tough call because after this year they will not have a chance to upgrade the QB spot for another 6 years.

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