SIAP: ESPN reports "toxic culture" at Durkin's Maryland
August 10th, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^
FYI, I and someone else both posted this and the mods nuked it for some reason.
Absolutely horrible if true. The S&C coach should be black balled from ever working with athletes again amd Durkin, if party to this stuff, needs to be fired.
August 10th, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/maryland-ol-who-died-may-died-heatstroke-after-team-workout THEY NUKED IT BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY POSTED
August 10th, 2018 at 11:41 PM ^
Am I the only genius who realizes these are completely separate topics and articles? Or am I the only idiot who doesn't realize they're double posts? Nothing is adding up right now, because it seems like both the board and the posters here are just... completely wrong about this.
August 11th, 2018 at 1:04 AM ^
This is a completely new article that has a lot more accounts of what it was like inside the program in general. The one you linked focuses on the specific circumstances around McNair's death.
August 11th, 2018 at 11:29 AM ^
This article was about the death. We posted larger scale follow up articles about the program in general. No idea why they were nuked. Mods weren’t paying attention.
August 10th, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^
Because it was already posted. This article is still posted on the board
August 11th, 2018 at 1:10 AM ^
Try reading the fucking article, it's a completely different story detailing the culture of the program that lead up to the death, not the particular circumstances of the death.
August 11th, 2018 at 6:30 AM ^
Try being civil, and try reading the board. That article was linked in another thread three hours before you posted your "new" topic.
August 11th, 2018 at 6:49 AM ^
I like how ur trying to snark someone for not seeing a page 2/3 comment on an obscure thread that has a title about a story everyone already knows.
It was obvious he died of heat stroke. It was not obvious that Maryland was treating their football team like a fraternity hell week
August 11th, 2018 at 10:47 AM ^
This has been the top story at ESPN since last night and is very likely to result in the firing of a Big Ten head coach (and former Michigan DC). It deserves it's own OP, not just a link buried in the comment section of a tangentially related other post.
August 10th, 2018 at 11:30 PM ^
Blackballing involves some secrecy. If this is true, it won’t be necessary to use secrecy to keep him from working with athletes again. Eff ‘em.
August 10th, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^
Damn glad we got the great Stache after Durkin left!
August 10th, 2018 at 11:03 PM ^
I think this is the 4th thread on it. Time to call the mods.
August 10th, 2018 at 11:03 PM ^
The belittling, humiliation and embarrassment of players is common. In one example, a player whom coaches wanted to lose weight was forced to eat candy bars as he was made to watch teammates working out.
Sounds like Full Metal Jacket
August 11th, 2018 at 12:07 AM ^
That would suck if you were the head coach telling a guy to lose weight, only to have your S&C coach stuffing him full of Snickers and Oh Henrys behind your back.
August 11th, 2018 at 9:58 AM ^
Don't think this is the case here...Durkin and Court are evidently completely aligned in their actions and are both complete scum.
August 11th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
Ugh. Good thing he left us so soon, I guess.
August 11th, 2018 at 12:26 AM ^
It isn’t hard to post a link.
August 11th, 2018 at 1:16 AM ^
Like the whole football staff...... That is a sad situation. Sometimes, you walk away and go get yourself another job. And as some of the players did, you go find another coach to play for.
August 11th, 2018 at 6:00 AM ^
Durkin is gone! What a horrible story.
August 11th, 2018 at 10:26 AM ^
'The university issued an initial statement earlier Friday before announcing its personnel decision that reads: "The alleged behaviors raised in the ESPN story are troubling and not consistent with our approach to the coaching and development of our student athletes. Such allegations do not reflect the culture of our program. We are committed to swiftly examining and addressing any such reports when they are brought to our attention."'
Emphasis added by me. Durkin will be fired.
August 11th, 2018 at 6:20 AM ^
Durkin Fired
August 11th, 2018 at 7:22 AM ^
I just read the article which is now front and center on espn.com. What an unbelievably horrible bunch of people running that Maryland program. That article makes Durkin and his hand picked S&C coach look like two of the biggest pieces of shit ever. If you haven't read it, go read it. This is another story that will pick up steam this week in the media.
August 11th, 2018 at 7:37 AM ^
Last team standing in B1G East turn off the lights.
August 11th, 2018 at 7:37 AM ^
This was another reason why OSU is waiting two weeks to make any decisions on Meyer.
For the next controversy du jour to take over the headlines and get the media circus out of Columbus. I’m not trying to belittle the situation as a young man is dead because of this. But this wasn’t just because the committee needed the time.
August 11th, 2018 at 8:22 AM ^
It still boggles the mind Ohio State has two former head coaches on staff that could be interim coaches, Schiano and Wilson, but both of them have serious allegations of player mistreatment/endangerment on their record so no bueno.
Was there any whiff of Durkin (or others) using these tactics at Michigan? All these awful stories are making me a little nervous about our own backyard.
August 11th, 2018 at 8:51 AM ^
That’s what the situations at PSU, OSU, and MSU should teach us all. Serious scandal can happen anywhere, including Michigan. We’d be damn fools to think otherwise.
August 11th, 2018 at 9:22 AM ^
They don't have to happen. If coaches put principles over success, then it won't happen.
Maryland did not. Durkin--sad to say--did not. Meyer does not; Izzo and Dantonio do not.
The difference is that Durkin will probably be gone because Maryland will (hopefully) put the right thing above the "winning" thing, whereas MSU and OSU are WAAC schools and do their best to cover up their breaches of ethics.
August 11th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
Principles over success should be the norm, but unfortunately you get fired if there is no success.
August 11th, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^
It all boils down to the HC. That's who the school hires and they trust him to choose and supervise his staff. Assistants have to follow their bosses lead when it comes to a lot of things.
Bacari Alexander was suspended at UDM for his verbal abuse of players. Does anyone believe that Beilein would have tolerated that from his staff?
I've wondered if first time head coaches are more likely to cross the line when it comes to things like instilling toughness.
August 11th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^
I would venture a big fat NO. As a coordinator, he was only so powerful andi had to fall in line with how the larger program is run. Durkin, in realizing his dream to lead a whole program, probably panicked in not being able to get a crappy team to play up to D1 standards. I’d venture his inability to motivate an entire team to improve resulted in a culture of fear because Durkin felt over his head and started to displace his anger on players. Pretty toxic and sad to see, but I do not think one can assume he was always such a toxic hypermasculine d-bag at other stops. I’m sure Harbaugh would’ve put him in place—and perhaps that was part of Dhrkin’s checking out, if he did ever step over the line. That’s my homerism, at least.
August 11th, 2018 at 1:07 PM ^
I would guess he was fine here. Culture comes down from the top and he had to take cues from Harbaugh, who by all accounts isn't a scream in your face guy (relative to other coaches), so he likely reigned it in.
It's even possible this isn't necessarily how Durkin is but just that the pressure of his first HC job and he thought he could turn around a soft culture by overcompensating with machismo.
That said, the part about how they're holding player interviews for the investigation within earshot of the coaches' offices and are apparently punishing the players that talked is pretty damning. That shows a complete lack of integrity there.
August 12th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^
I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that Harbaugh was a good player. He had talent.
A lot of coaches weren’t, but they earned their success by outworking people and outsmarting them. So when they become coaches, they tend to believe that the way to success is by outworking everyone, by building a mentally tough team, etc. And you end up with this militaristic bullshit.
My brother played for a bad 1-AA team who were put through 3-a-days during camp, which was an NCAA violation. And if practices ran late, the cafeteria would close before the team could make it in. So they would have their 2nd practice on empty stomachs. All this for a shitty program, because their coach was an idiot and believed they would win by virtue of being better conditioned than the other shitty programs fighting for the shorty conference championship and it’s ahitty trophy.
August 11th, 2018 at 11:24 AM ^
If Durkin is quickly fired, does that help Meyer keep his job?
OSU bought themselves a little time, but this makes the atmosphere when they announce their decision less predictable, imo.
August 11th, 2018 at 8:13 AM ^
My bad if this was a different article - sometimes, when you have a lot of seemingly redundant threads open in different tabs, you blow away the wrong one. If that's the case, apologies.
August 11th, 2018 at 9:24 AM ^
'S all good, been a tough mod week with all the Meyer stuff, I'm guessing
August 11th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^
Speaking of it being a tough mod week, do the mods have banhammers again yet?
August 11th, 2018 at 11:32 AM ^
Understandable confusion. New story to me, so read this article, but right below it on the ESPN website is what must be the article previously posted here. This one must be an update, containing a lot of the same language with the background information, but with a lot more about the fallout.
August 11th, 2018 at 8:13 AM ^
Just as a counterpoint, does anyone read this article and think Durkin survives?
If I were Maryland I would have had surveillance equipment in every team space the day after that death.
August 11th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^
If that article has any merit, I would assume he is gone and gone quickly.
August 11th, 2018 at 11:09 AM ^
Does team space mean cameras in the locker room and showers? Dorm rooms?
Maybe workouts should be videoed but not surveillance in every team space
August 11th, 2018 at 8:33 AM ^
It was really strange watching BTN with their bus tour stop at Maryland. I know they did the interviews and taped the show before the ESPN stories were published, but it just made it look like amateur hour. Durkin was all smiles and no hint of anything amiss in any of the questions or answers.
August 11th, 2018 at 11:18 AM ^
In case you forgot, all smiles is Durkin’s annoyingly natural look.
I wonder if Durkin was on Meyer’s staff (phrasing...) at Florida during the time of the player mistreatment accusations.
August 11th, 2018 at 8:56 AM ^
This is really appalling. I liked Durkin, but not anymore.
August 11th, 2018 at 9:03 AM ^
What a surprise: Another shaven-headed testosterone- and/or steroid-addled freak S&C coach.
After reading the article, my prediction is that Durkin will be gone before Meyer is.
And I'm damn glad Durkin's no longer on our staff.
August 11th, 2018 at 9:40 AM ^
Durkin is as good as gone... and deservedly so. Even if the S&C coach is the main problem Durkin is responsible since he is the head of the program.
August 11th, 2018 at 9:56 AM ^
What a couple of complete pieces of shit. I hope Durkin and Court never find work in athletics again.
August 11th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^
No, no, no. No new news to take away from Urban. /s
August 11th, 2018 at 11:36 AM ^
and now they have placed the strength coach and two trainers on suspension.
maybe i can embed the link:
i think i did it. now if only pictures were as simple...