Jordan2323

October 30th, 2022 at 1:21 PM ^

And repeatedly shove him into the wall and threw threw him out into the tunnel after all of that and punching and stomping. Not sure how you can’t see that in the video last night. This one is even worse because the dude uses an object to hit him with. You know your team is out of control when your own staffers are running away from it. 

FauxMo

October 30th, 2022 at 1:25 PM ^

As I am getting downvoted here, I just watched the first video again. Yes, it was 100% wrong and out of line. But unless I missed something, there are no unequivocal punches or kicks that can be seen in the video. Could either/both have happened somewhere in there? Absolutely. I just couldn't see anything I would categorize as clear, incontrovertible evidence of that. This second video...that is absolutely criminal assault. That player should be removed from the team and charged. Period. 

FauxMo

October 30th, 2022 at 1:31 PM ^

Ugh, what I "think" was going on is irrelevant. It's not evidence. If you go down the assumption path to try and make this look worse than it was, you are no better than the folks on RCMB currently saying things like, "well, there's no video, but he must have struck our guy with his helmet first, in which case both should charged," blah blah blah. 

Brimley

October 30th, 2022 at 1:49 PM ^

Caveat: I'm not a cop but I watch lots of Law and Order. My guess is that police could talk to McBurrows (if a call is made) and he could tell them, "Yeah, I was getting punched and kicked," or whatever was going on. Then they look at the video as evidence that seems to corroborate what he says.  Cliff's Notes version: Ja'Den's story is the key here and we haven't heard it.

MJ14

October 30th, 2022 at 2:39 PM ^

There were a lot of people there last night. A cop wasn’t one of them. A pansy with a uniform on was, but that dude won’t be an officer by the end of this week. That guy knew exactly what was happening and did nothing. There’s no serving or protecting there. Just cowardly collecting a check. 

UNCWolverine

October 30th, 2022 at 2:12 PM ^

I'm not going to argue with you, but I will take exception to comparing me to RCMB for my assumption that he was getting punched and kicked by several MSU players. And I am 100% sure that my assumption will bear out based on witness accounts and the Michigan player's injuries/face.

Duke of Zhou

October 30th, 2022 at 2:25 PM ^

In a criminal case, the trier of fact is usually a jury.  The defendant has a constitutional right to a jury trial for serious criminal offenses (which any charges arising from these "scuffles" would be), though I suppose one could waive that right and opt for a bench trial.  Anyway, the jury is therefore the group that determines what the facts are, based on the totality of the evidence presented.  In this case, it would involve video evidence, as well as witness testimony.  It is okay to use common sense to decide for yourself what did or didn't happen.

Girlbleedsblue

October 30th, 2022 at 4:34 PM ^

Oh man, that RCMB comparison is just wrong. One conclusion is based on video, one is based on some imaginary thing that is not on video. And I know you didn’t see actual contact in that video, but saying we’re no better than the RCMB victim-blamers? I hear what you’re saying about what the video lacks, but the comparison with RCMB is not accurate and not necessary to make your point.

CFraser

October 30th, 2022 at 2:55 PM ^

Probably getting charges - but will plea down to misdemeanor assault and get probation. Most likely scenario as charges will be pressed and a trial is impossible as he’s on film doing it. Could be attempted murder if you wanted to play hard ball. For sure aggravated battery/assault (whatever MI’s terminology is).

yoyo

October 30th, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^

Posted this in a random thread earlier: Unrelated but didn't want to create another thread on the subject but interesting to see the 2 coaches at the end of the game. Harbaugh was focused on getting his players away from MSU because they were acting like childish idiots. 

Overpaid Tuck seemed more interested in getting off the field as fast as possible, was disinterested in the safety of the players.

https://youtu.be/SbT351XhUIM?t=1605

MGlobules

October 30th, 2022 at 2:49 PM ^

I noted this above, but it's worth repeating: I don't blame him as a person for wanting to get out of there. But as a 9.5 million dollar man in charge of young men? That's a guy forgetting what he's getting all that money for, and chicken-shirting it. 

Indy Pete - Go Blue

October 30th, 2022 at 1:04 PM ^

I think it’s safe to say that the fourteen year  run where sparty had our number is over. Paul is home, and the insanity of the Michigan State football program continues. Winning on the field and staying disciplined  while the rival team up the road has no self-control feels like old times. 

Vote_Crisler_1937

October 30th, 2022 at 1:24 PM ^

Dragonchild,

 

Im nodding in agreement with so many of your comments about these incidents. This has nothing to do with football and even bringing football into it feels tone deaf. I hope the kids involved and the coaches are found criminally and civilly responsible and punished accordingly. 
 

without speculating on the identity or situation of either victim, can you imagine someone losing out on draft money due to injuries from this? I would want those compensatory damages paid in full. 

WolverineHistorian

October 30th, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^

Indeed.  I’m not even thinking of the trajectory of the rivalry when seeing that video.  I just see a bunch of thugs who need to be arrested.  And it sucks that THIS is getting the majority of the discussion when we should be busy celebrating our win.  

There has always been bad blood, shit talking, etc. between the teams…and that’s fine because that comes with any rivalry.  But this?  This is waaaaay over the line.  

Ezekiels Creatures

October 30th, 2022 at 1:09 PM ^

We should have already been seeing the news that this player was arrested.

Michigan St players themselves should have jumped in and stopped this.

cGOBLUEm

October 30th, 2022 at 1:11 PM ^

As if any of us need any more reason hate the Spartans, I'd encourage you to go over to RCMB and read through their thread about this same video. It is truly amazing how low that fan base is.

uferfan

October 30th, 2022 at 1:16 PM ^

While waiting to get out of the golf course, I occasionally peaked over just to see the bus caravan leave so i could wave their asses goodbye.

I never saw them because I totally forgot that they all fit in one clown car, so the joke was on me.