SIAP: Brutal new tunnel video
October 30th, 2022 at 3:37 PM ^
Extended cut has Tucker slamming the locker room door (about ten feet from the attack) about 70 seconds after the helmet attack. Hard to believe he had no idea what had happened
October 30th, 2022 at 4:03 PM ^
He appears to be the only guy on that team that can hit.
October 30th, 2022 at 4:02 PM ^
This warrants some time behind bars.
October 30th, 2022 at 4:10 PM ^
Haven't read the whole thread, but I think I saw the guy running toward the camera is a high-level MSU football staffer? With that in mind, I think he spotted the person recording the incident and ran at them to block the view of it, instead of trying to break it up. Speaks volumes IMO
October 30th, 2022 at 4:24 PM ^
Somebody else said it was MSU Director of Football Operations Ben Mathers.
October 30th, 2022 at 4:16 PM ^
Complete lack of character, discipline, and institutional control, right?
One wonders how young men of such low character were ever even admitted to such a fine institution as Michigan State University, and...oh...wait, I think I know. Because, MSU, for one.
And because...athletes-heroes-sons-of-glory, right?
Revenue-sports team members have a 'get out of jail free' card at lots of places, though it's worse at some schools than others.
In the greater scheme of things, whether there's physical violence, or hate words that eventually lead to societal violence (see, e.g., some lunatic assaulting an old man with a fucking hammer in San Francisco), the final product is violence.
Our institution only a few days ago responded to a re-tweet of a rant that would have delighted the perpetrators of the Nuremberg Laws -- by imposing no penalty whatsoever.
Let's not ignore the fact that very own miscreant was allowed to stay on the team and play last night.
With athletes, misdeeds are too often glossed over. Thugs are enabled, excuses are made.
The perps will plead to a misdemeanor. Most of them will continue to play; one or two might be suspended for a few games, or booted from MSU's team (unlikely but possible). No one's going to jail over this.
The thugs in that tunnel incident should be disciplined legally, and by the team and the conference. At the same time, we should all take a long, hard look at behaviors we're willing to put up with or excuse, because we're only marginally better at it than MSU, and the same can be said of any of the P5 schools.
Reaching the point where we say, "Enough coddling these athletes-heroes-sons-of-glory," will be a first step in the right direction.
Then perhaps we'll have the guts to think about whether it's a good thing that a hard working football coach should earn millions of dollars while equally hard working professors, many of whom have a lifetime of work to get where they are in academics, earn bupkis in comparison.
This isn't to say I'm not a fan of Michigan football. I love it. But any sense of perspective seems to be diminishing each year. Seems wrong to me.
October 30th, 2022 at 5:11 PM ^
Edwards deleted the retweet and apologized, sort of. I haven’t heard word one from East Lansing so far. Get out of here with your what about-ism.
If you want to equate a tweet to a guy SWINGING A FUCKING HELMET at the back of someone’s head, that’s a you problem.
October 30th, 2022 at 7:19 PM ^
If the player swinging the fucking helmet 'apologized, sort of', would that be a satisfactory conclusion to his behavior as you believe it was with Edwards?
I doubt you'd think so.
No doubt that kid with the helmet should be charged with committing a violent crime, because it was apparently a violent crime as far as I can tell from the video.
In the case of Edwards, there should also have been consequences, albeit of a different kind.
It's certainly worth thinking about the problems we're seeing - what should universities accept in terms of behavior from athletes? I submit NONE of this should be acceptable.
That doesn't mean, nor did I ever imply, that there's parity in this situation.
October 30th, 2022 at 5:13 PM ^
MSU is yucky.
October 30th, 2022 at 5:26 PM ^
Tell us how you really feel.
They are thugs. Always were, always will be.
October 30th, 2022 at 6:13 PM ^
Is that the MSU Director of Football Operations, Ben Mathers, running away instead of intervening and getting his players under control? SIAP as I did not read all the other comments, but this is pretty important I think. I probably shouldn't be trying to Zapruder the film, but if the guy running away from the assault is on the MSU football staff and not some random reporter or visitor, that is is pretty cowardly and a dereliction of his duties.
October 30th, 2022 at 7:00 PM ^
Help me out with the relative order of the two videos--which is first?
The kicking and throwing through the doorway?
Or the bashing with the helmet?
Maybe it is clear to others but not to me. Either way, talk about running the gauntlet!
Both videos seem to show enough eyewitnesses for the authorities to get the story straight. Criminal charges seem likely.
October 30th, 2022 at 7:14 PM ^
I think the only way to know for certain would be to get the timestamp off the original videos. Probably only the authorities have the ability to piece that together now unless the reporters who filmed it make it public.
October 30th, 2022 at 8:46 PM ^
MSU should, and I expect will, expel at least a couple of these players. Not necessarily on principle, but the school's athletics programs have been too embroiled in controversy this decade to not take action now.
Mel Tucker should try to get on the right side of history here and remove them from the team first.
October 30th, 2022 at 10:11 PM ^
1. This is outside the game, this is a legal matter.
2. These men have earned the right to play for MSU. That right should be taken away. Honestly, the guy used the helmet as a weapon. I'd just kick the kid off the team.
3. The tunnel is not at fault here (thank God). Where were the team leaders to step up and stop this shit?
4. It's tiring talking about uncontrollable players on MSU.
5. I kind of don't care to play MSU every year if their "chip on the shoulder" just grows and festers. No need to risk injury to players or see fanbases mimic what they see from the players. It's not a healthy rivalry.