jmdblue

March 10th, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^

Because the analogies are generally shitty.  Sports are 1st and foremost a sporting endeavor.  Kids' interactions, behavior, reputations etc are tertiary to the organization.  If kids misbehave there are consequences, but it really has little to do with what the point of the team is.  The entire point of the fraternity is its intra and inter social relationships.  SAE, as a whole, is shamed in a way far worse than if a couple football players would have shamed their team for a similar incident.

PIJER

March 10th, 2015 at 9:03 AM ^

We in this country have freedom of speech. I appreciate the enemy I know, as opposed to one that I don't. They should just be outed for the racists that they are, and have to deal with society knowing about them for the rest of their life, unless they make wholesale changes!

jmdblue

March 10th, 2015 at 12:06 PM ^

I knew and know some racist people (I'm a white guy living in Michigan).  I don't know any who would participate in that bus ride.  I guess the behavior get tamped down to different levels depending on social circle and in Oklahoma there isn't much tamping at all.  I genuinely believe both racist behavior and racist belief are fading in our country, but we clearly aren't home yet.

Wee-Bey Brice

March 9th, 2015 at 8:23 PM ^

Apparently they have quite the reputation to go along with this video. As a non-alum, I was wondering if anybody knows how their relationship with the community is at UM. A quick google search helped me find out they have a chapter on campus but I was just curious if any MGoBloggers were familiar with them. 

DrewGOBLUE

March 9th, 2015 at 11:07 PM ^

Maybe you're thinking Phi Delta Theta, across the street from SAE. Pretty sure a really bad accident happened at a party there a long time ago, hence the reason they've become a "dry" house.

And this could have been a bad rumor, but a few times I heard that SAE previously made their pledges jump off the roof with mattresses duck-taped around them.

BlueWolverine02

March 10th, 2015 at 3:00 AM ^

When I was at UM (late 90s-early 2000s) they were generally considered the most like an Animal House.  The most hazing and the most drunk Aholes who didn't care about anythign but partying.  Basicly the fraternity that gave other fraternities a bad name.  But they had mudbowl so everybody loved them.

That's reputation only.  I'm sure there were plenty of good guys in the house who probably were far more successful in school then I was.

1408

March 11th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

Thank you for the animal house compliment, definitely true.  We definitely threw it down harder than anyone else on that campus, no doubt about that.

Buy, FYI, a really high number of those "most drunk Aholes" went on to the best business schools, law schools, medical schools, etc., and have become doctors, CEOs, big time lawyers, bankers, a congressman, started their own companies, served as officers in Iraq and Afghanistan and continue to dominate life in all phases.

MGlobules

March 9th, 2015 at 8:44 PM ^

a history of racist incidents. Only national frat formed in the Antebellum South. I have known a few of them who were clearly all about that, and word is that's a national SAE song.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Alpha_Epsilon

But there is no doubt that frats and sororities in general have historically been about racial exclusion, whether some of them are superficially integrated now or not. The usual suspects will neg this, but no social researcher doubts it.

gwkrlghl

March 9th, 2015 at 8:44 PM ^

I think I saw a statement from their national president that they were the 'most dangerous' fraternity in the greek system (or something like that) due to a lot of alcohol poisoning, hazing incidents, etc.

Assuming that's true and seeing these rumors that this happens at other SAE chapters makes me think this might be the beginning of the end for SAE nationally. News outlets will dig up dirt, other people will feel emboldened to speak out on other crap, and they'll close many, many chapters

Blau

March 9th, 2015 at 8:28 PM ^

The difference between UM's situation and OU's is that eventually we can say "Kids will be kids, alcohol makes smart people dumb and dumb people dumber, learn from it and move on, etc.." regarding the UM frats/soroties. 

 

...And there's really no phrase or words of wisdom to excuse the allegations against the OU chapter. Pretty disgusting stuff.

gwkrlghl

March 9th, 2015 at 8:30 PM ^

Our frats were real dumb and broke peoples stuff. It's a whole other f'ing thing to sing "there will never be a n_____ in SAE" and "hang him from a tree" with such joyful enthusiasm

I mean holy sh*t guys. What is this, 1950's Mississippi? OU was right to rid themselves of this filth

ESNY

March 9th, 2015 at 8:33 PM ^

But getting rid of SAE doesn't really do anything.  These kids are still going to be on campus and are still harboring those thoughts enough to chant it on the way back from a formal or something.  Kicking SAE off campus had to be done but will change nothing.  Have they ID'ed the head klansman that was leading the song?

Undefined

March 9th, 2015 at 10:02 PM ^

I mean, that's my name. And it's not the background behind it at all. I get that the guy is a total shithead, and he deserves all scorn coming his way. But the name Parker isn't really tied to southern aristocracy inherently.



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