OT: UFR

Submitted by spacecowboy on October 12th, 2023 at 11:51 AM

based on the feedback received from the board and my sick mind, here is a revised, more reasonable take on how to improve your OT experience during the CFB seasons in the future.  

No OT coin toss needed, (note to self--do not mess with regulation).

--when the clock runs out.   The players get a 5 minute hydration break.  During this time the captain(s) of the team that lost the pre-game flip get to decide to defer or get the ball first.  The captains of the other team get to select the end zone used in the OT periods.

--for the first OT session, the ball is placed on the 20 yard line the play resumes until a touch down is scored for 6 points, a FG is scored for 3 points, or the team fails to score.  The other team gets a their chance. 

--if Double OT is needed, the second team goes first

--for additional OT sessions the ball is placed at the 40 yard line instead of the 20 to start play.   Eventually someone has to win.  

 

wayneandgarth

October 12th, 2023 at 11:56 AM ^

By 20 yard line I assume you mean your own 20 yard line.  While this is more like real football I think it would take too long, especially for TV to possibly accept.  Probably a good idea for CFP games where the extra time would be worth it.

MaizeBlueA2

October 12th, 2023 at 10:37 PM ^

I kind of like that idea...

First OT at the 40

2nd at the 30

3rd at the 20

4th at the 10

5th and beyond...two point conversions*

*I hate the 2 point conversion shootout. But at least it's after 4 instead of after the second OT.

Also...do we really expect either team to get a stop on 1st and Goal from the 10 in the 4th OT? So what's the point?

 

...what I don't understand is...why haven't we just kept the OT rules the way they were (even before this most recent change)...and just say, "no FGs and no XPs!"

Just eliminate FGs and extra points in OT. How many OTs would end then?

This seems so obvious. 

 

Gulogulo37

October 14th, 2023 at 3:43 PM ^

I don't get why this hasn't happened yet. Teams score more nowadays. Just let each team have a chance if the first team scores. 2nd team always gets a chance no matter the outcome of the first drive. It's not complicated. First team scores TD? Second team needs a TD or game over. First team scores FG? 2nd team needs FG to continue OT or TD to win or turnover is a loss. First team doesn't score? Next score wins. Second team ties game after FG or TD from first team? Now sudden death. And college should adopt it since I hate the weirdly artificial rules of college OT.

m9tt

October 12th, 2023 at 12:57 PM ^

Chasing "fairness" in any overtime rules will always be a losing battle. These complaints of football OT rules only come around because every solution requires a completely arbitrary restart of play, which heavily relies on a coin toss (luck) or mini-game rules (one small aspect of the game). The uncomfortable truth is that football is an unfair game by nature. Teams don't get the same number of plays on offense or defense or equal talent across rosters or time of possession or possibly even the same number of possessions in a game (e.g., Michigan had 10 drives last Saturday, Minnesota had 12). 

That's why we should stop striving for fairness in overtime rules and instead strive for continuity.

My favorite solution is to simply roll over from the 4th quarter straight into OT – just as you would from the 3rd quarter into the 4th – and then the first team to break the tie in the OT period wins the game. There would be no double-possessions (kicking a tying field goal and then winning the coin toss, receiving the ball, scoring a TD), no random rules inserted for the purpose of ensuring each team gets a possession (TD = instant-win, FG = we'll see), and it keeps all three phases of the game in play (yay for punting).

If a losing team kicks a long field goal to tie the game as time expires, they should have to kick off to start overtime. It's not unfair that the team that was winning will have the first chance to win the game in OT, it's the reward or consequence for playing well enough to be in that position (leading late in the game) in the first place.

 

Blue Vet

October 12th, 2023 at 1:50 PM ^

I like the idea of continuation. That solves most of the quirky aspects of all the OT rules tried so far in college and the NFL.

But I'd make it a short OT and then end it, even if still concludes in a tie. It seems to me that, despite the thirst to have a definite winner & loser, adding ties to the equation acknowledges the innate unfairness of all team sports and the innate uncertainty and/or bias of referees. 

Part of the function of sports and crime stories is to provide the emotional satisfaction of certainty in an uncertain world. But in both sports and crime stories, certainty is a fiction. 

JHumich

October 12th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^

Just extend the game by five minutes, after a double TV timeout. This is a hydration break, but worded in a way that our overlords will accept.

After the five minutes, if still tied, continue with the current drive, but game clock gets turned off, and it's sudden death.

mGo Go Gadget Play

October 12th, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^

I really liked the idea, until I played through scenarios. This gives a big boost to whichever team is holding the ball at the end of regulation. If the visiting team ties the game up with 1:15 left, the home team does not even need to run a hurry-up offense -- they just run regular offense.

Game tied, 20-seconds left, in-bounds completion into the red zone? No need to run up to the line of scrimmage -- we'll just kick the FG in OT. 

IMO, anything that takes the clock aspect out of the game reduces tension, which makes it worse.  

m9tt

October 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^

To play devil’s advocate, I don’t necessarily believe allowing a team to operate it’s normal offense in a tie-game scenario is necessarily a bad one. End of game drives are already heavily weighted toward teams with good passing offenses… if Purdue ties Iowa with a minute left and Iowa’s offense has 250 yds rushing and 100 yds passing, allowing Iowa to run their offense normally should be a reward for being in the position they were in. 

The only time the clock is ever truly taken out of play is when a game is actually tied. If a team is behind, they still must tie the score inside of regulation. 

It’s also a trade off… you may have less “desperation” drives at the end of games, but you may have a lot more teams who are down 3 points near the end of the game try to score a touchdown, knowing if they settle for a FG the ball will turn back over or teams more willing to go for 2 point conversions to avoid those scenarios.

The strategy and clock management aspect doesn’t go away, it just changes.

brad

October 12th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^

This is essentially the playground rules for breaking a tie when one Mom calls her three boys in for dinner and the game is about to blow up.  Next Score Wins.

I have to say I like the idea, but I'm also sure there would be some bizarre unintended consequences when we stop the end of a half of football from having any meaning.

m9tt

October 12th, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^

Unfortunately not, but he’s probably still kicking a +50-yard field goal to win the game in OT… which is still exciting.

I will point out that, had the Mizzou kicker missed and KSU went on to win in OT, Mizzou being forced to kick a 61yard field goal on 2nd down in KSU territory feels a little unfair and something we’d avoid under the Continuation idea

mi93

October 12th, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^

It's no different than the NFL version in which first with the ball (still has the ball) has a significantly better chance to win.  I would rather have games end in ties.

Start OT1 35 yards from the end zone.  Both teams get the ball.  If you go nowhere, it's a 52-yard attempt. #collegekickers.

Start OT2 20 yards from the end zone.

Start OT3 5 yards from the end zone.

Other than defenses being exhausted, the present college OT is far superior to the pros.

MGlobules

October 12th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^

I like the idea of continuation, too. But I think both teams need to touch the ball on offense in OT. So. . . running with your concept, play until one team scores, then the other team has the ball, from kickoff for four downs until they score OR until they fail to gain a first down on third or fourth. That way games can continue, but in a more satisfying way that's still within the context of college football.

To me, this doesn't preserve 'fairness,' but can preserve the advantages of the better team. It's common enough that flukes see the better team in a tie toward the end of the game. If the less accomplished team gets the ball first and scores. . . that's not satisfying, to my mind. Nor it be if the less accomplished team continued downfield and scored when your OT fifth period commences.

I don't have a problem (to conclude) with games being in OT, per se--that should be fun. It's the really dumb starting from the twenty that I dislike. Keep the length of the field, short or long, constant. Keep playing the game of football. Give the other team one chance to score--moving all the way down the field--after the first team does

lhglrkwg

October 12th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^

That old college OT rules were the best. It was still football and teams still needed to string together a short drive. The NCAA overreacted to a few super long games and now it's basically like a soccer shootout - its a 'tiebreaker' that is dissociated from how the sport is actually played. Might as well have a punting tiebreaker or a QB skills competition tie breaker

BTB grad

October 12th, 2023 at 12:26 PM ^

I think you and the commenter above are thinking of the old NFL playoff OT rules. The new rules (installed for the 2023 playoffs) use a 15 minute period and guarantee both teams a possession, even if the first team with the ball scores a TD. If both teams score a TD on their first possession, then the game moves to sudden death. I think it’s the best format you can get that still emphasizes defense & field position (something the college OT rules do not) while still ensuring that both teams get an offensive possession. Is it unfair that both teams aren’t guaranteed a second offensive possession? Sure but otherwise you’d get into double or triple OT games which football just isn’t built for. 

GoBlue96

October 12th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^

Not quite correct.  If the team that has the ball first scores a TD, then the game is over.  Isn't that what happened to the Lions against Seattle?

NFL overtime rules for regular season

  • At the end of regulation, the referee will toss a coin to determine which team will possess the ball first in overtime. The visiting team captain will call the toss.
  • No more than one 10-minute period will follow a three-minute intermission. Each team must possess, or have the opportunity to possess, the ball. The exception: if the team that gets the ball first scores a touchdown on the opening possession.
  • Sudden death play — where the game ends on any score (safety, field goal or touchdown) — continues until a winner is determined.
  • Each team gets two timeouts.
  • The point after try is not attempted if the game ends on a touchdown.
  • If the score is still tied at the end of the overtime period, the result of the game will be recorded as a tie.
  • There are no instant replay coach’s challenges; all reviews will be initiated by the replay official.

MGlobules

October 12th, 2023 at 3:21 PM ^

Make separate rules for them. I'm sorta serious. If a game has been a study in mediocrity and exasperation, give officials the right to perform a ritual hand-washing at midfield and stomp off. Fans can help decide by turning their backs on the game or leaving. If a majority want to see the game resolved, everyone pony up a few bucks and ask the officials to stay on.

MaizeBlueA2

October 12th, 2023 at 10:39 PM ^

You eliminated punting...why not eliminate kicking?

No FGs and no XPs.

Keep the original OT rules (no sudden death 2 point conversions).

Eliminating FGs takes away the opportunity to kick on and hold the other team to a FG. Now you have to go for it on 4th and so do they.

Eliminating XPs is obvious. Which is why they said no XPs after the 2nd OT. Just eliminate them from the beginning.