OT: Secrets of grilling and/or preparing of your favorite meats

Submitted by WindyCityBlue on February 24th, 2023 at 1:56 PM

Slow Friday somewhat so I thought I throw out a fun topic which will no doubt force you to break your Lenten obligation.

So, overall, I'm a horrible cook. I'll mess up mac-n-cheese if you give me the chance.  However, I've become very proficient cooking both beef and pork in a lot of different capacities.  Through lots of experience, and some trial and error, I come across some good "secrets" to ensuring that preparing beef and pork is as tasty as possible.  My objective is to share my learnings, and hope others will share theirs.  So here are mine:

Beef

  • The key to any good steak is how well you prepare the crust/bark, regardless of beef grade.
  • I find that front searing is much better than reverse searing since the front searing process pushes moisture into the meat which helps with remainder of the cook.
  • Before you season and sear, you MUST remove all the moisture from the beef with paper towel.  A wet steak will not sear properly because the moisture will cause the beef to get steamed, instead of seared.
  • With that, if you use salt to season your steak (which I highly recommend), do so right before the searing step.  Salt will draw moisture to the surface, so if you let the salt sit too long, the steak will get wet and ruin the searing step.
  • A meat thermometer is key to ensure the steak is cooked to desired temp.  Even the competitive cookers use one.
  • With that, take your steak off the cook about 10 degrees below your desired temp, as it will continue to cook, and don't touch it for about 10 minutes.
  • Steaks and briskets and completely different cooking philosophies.  Steaks are best at about medium rare (135 degrees F), which is good for flavor and juiciness, but getting good tenderness is harder.  Briskets cook longer and get to higher temps (about 205 degrees F) which helps with tenderness (beef collagen breaks down at around 200 degrees), but makes maintaining juiciness and flavor harder.  Hence the importance of a good crust/bark
  • Saturated fats are typically on the out side of the steak and render at higher temps compared to intra-muscular fats that are poly-unsaturated fats. 

Pork (ribs)

  • Remove the membrane on the back of the rack for better "fall of the bone" ability
  • Consistent heat is key.  Most grills can't offer that, so use a smoker or a convection oven
  • Do not put your BBQ sauce on right at the beginning of the cook.  It will burn off all the flavor.  Put it on at the end.
  • Pork is not as forgivable on temp compared to steak, so be sure your internal temp hits at least 165 degrees F
  • I find that combining a pork rub AND BBQ sauce messes with the flavors.  Choose a rub or BBQ sauce, but don't combine

I'm sure I forgot some, but I'm looking forward to some from the MgoBlogosphere.

njvictor

February 24th, 2023 at 4:41 PM ^

  • I find that front searing is much better than reverse searing since the front searing process pushes moisture into the meat which helps with remainder of the cook.
  • Before you season and sear, you MUST remove all the moisture from the beef with paper towel.  A wet steak will not sear properly because the moisture will cause the beef to get steamed, instead of seared.

I find it interesting you have these points next to each other because to me they're almost contradictory. I prefer reverse searing my steaks because the outside of the steak dries out a bit thus resulting in a better sear

Ray

February 24th, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^

This is a great topic.  My 2 cents:

I haven’t seen anything here (maybe missed it) but salmon smoked over alder is one of my favorites.  For the last 20 years or so I’ve smoked 30-50 lbs/year of AK sockeye on my Weber Smokey Mountain.  Key is to wait until it comes down in price (so like 8 bucks/lb vs 25) later in the season.  Vacuum seal and freeze it and you’ve got one meal per week of pure Alaskan bliss.

Also, IMO rotisserie is one of the most underrated/underpracticed aspects of grilling.  I usually do my Thanksgiving turkey every year on a Weber kettle over hickory and some fruitwood and it always comes out great.  The turkey self-bastes as it turns, and the juices that are shed can be collected in a drip pan to make an amazing smoky gravy.  Of course, it’s very important to stay near the grill with a good book and maybe a drink to keep an eye on things.  

If you can splurge, get a heritage bird.  You will wince when you pay for it, but it’ll be worth it. 

Ray

February 24th, 2023 at 8:17 PM ^

For a turkey, at least something larger than a really small one, I’d recommend the heavy duty rotisserie.

I’m not sure if Weber sells one, but I know there are aftermarket versions with a spit that is as big as your pinky finger (so 5/8” instead of 3/8” or 1/4,” if memory serves). Money well spent  

There are new motors out now too that seem tolerant of imbalances on the spit. I’ve never used one but they seem promising. Not setting the counterbalance properly has generally meant what’s turning doesn’t cook evenly. 

I'mTheStig

February 24th, 2023 at 5:57 PM ^

 

I find that front searing is much better than reverse searing since the front searing process pushes moisture into the meat which helps with remainder of the cook

Reverse searing is only good for really thick steaks... that amateurs would otherwise burn the outside of before the center even gets a chance to warm.

Otherwise, cooking before searing is kinda like wiping your ass before you take a shit.

runandshoot

February 24th, 2023 at 6:39 PM ^

I mean if you want a big gray band of meat on the outside of your steak, by all means, sear at the beginning.

If you want an entire steak that is medium-rare without the fat gray well-done band, then you reverse-sear.

And if you are cooking thin steaks...I mean what are you doing, really?

I'mTheStig

February 25th, 2023 at 2:37 PM ^

Before you go around telling people they're wrong, you should spend that time instead educating yourself first.

The person who is credited with developing the technique, J. Kenji Lopez-Alt has said as much. 

They developed the technique to overcome consistency problems -- e.g., so people like you who don't know what they are doing can benefit from it. 

runandshoot

February 25th, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^

That's not at all what any of the articles on reverse-sear say at all. Pretty much all of them state that the reverse sear method is "best of all."

https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/more-cooking-science/cooking-temps/

From Lopez-Alt's own article (and nowhere in the article does he say it's for novices who don't know how to cook):

"It's a really remarkable method, and if you're looking for a steak that's perfectly medium-rare from edge to edge, with a crisp crust, there's no better technique that I know of."

https://www.seriouseats.com/reverse-seared-steak-recipe
 

And from professional butchers who might know a little something about beef:

https://beardedbutchers.com/blogs/news/what-is-reverse-sear/

"Before we start a big argument, let's get this out of the way – we are big fans of the reverse sear method. It's a technique we use for steak, roasts, game, and all sorts of other meats. We love the technique because it actually does lock in juiciness. It gives us the perfect crust we want, and our meat is cooked a perfect medium rare from edge to edge. When you traditionally sear a steak, you end up with a gray band around the edges. The gray area is well-done or over done, depending on the thickness of the steak. A reverse sear gives steak a tenderness that no other method can compete with. We aren't knocking anyone who loves to sear a steak but we think the reverse sear is the way to get the best steak of your life."

This is coming from professional butchers, professional chefs, BBQ pitmasters, etc. - I hardly think these individuals don't know what they are doing.

Restaurants don't typically use reverse-sear, because that method does take a lot more time than the traditional method, and most have custom set-ups that allow them to reach temps close to 1k degrees to get a nice crust on the steak. A lot of high-end restaurants use sous vide cooking because it allows them to hit the desired temp exactly and almost effortlessly, with no chance of overcooking the meat.

It really has nothing to do with being a novice or expert in cooking - it's wanting to maximize the "doneness" throughout the entire steak. It's okay if you like the old way...I just happen to like a better way, and I'm sorry if that triggered you.

 

runandshoot

February 24th, 2023 at 6:33 PM ^

Reverse-sear method on anything beef. This means low heat at the beginning of the cook (225-275 degrees) and then searing the outside when desired internal temp is reached. The key to get the best crust on reverse sear is to also pat the exterior dry before searing (and using some butter or oil).

To help with drying out the surface of the steak, "dry-brining," or salting your steak the night before you intend to cook helps tremendously. Put the steak/ribs/roast on a baking sheet after salting and place uncovered in the refrigerator.

I took to grilling/barbecue/smoking over the past couple of years with all the time I saved not having to commute, and I created an Instagram just for all the meats/drinks. It's been a fun hobby and I strangely enjoy looking at all the steaks and drinks from time to time. Is that weird?

I would also highly recommend a Meater+ meat thermometer, if you are in the market for a new thermometer - makes estimating cook time infinitely easier (since it does it for you).

1blueeye

February 24th, 2023 at 6:53 PM ^

Main grilling principles for me

1. Flavor.  2.  Correct “doneness” 3. Simplicity 

 

Steaks: reverse sear wins for me for control and simplicity. cook steaks in oven or smoker at 250 until about 110. Wrap and place in cooler for up to 2 hrs. Guests can select desired “doneness” and you grill on hot ~500 degree grill until proper temp using meat thermometer. My secret. Rub “kitchen bouquet”on both sides of steak and season with whatever you like. The kitchen bouquet gives that restaurant style blackened look without the burnt charcoal taste if you over sear it…and yes it’s easy to over sear if not careful on your temp, I use Montreal steak or Chicago steak seasoning but salt and pepper are also good. And garlic butter topping at the end (Shamys from sams club is great) 
 

Pork shoulder: use MGoBBq’s  Texas pulled pork method of 325 for about 6-8 hrs. I season mine different but Waaaay easier than waiting 12-14,hrs in low(250) and hoping it finishes before guests arrive, shred in kitchen aid stand mixer with seasoning and finishing sauce. Keep warm for hours in foil covers pan in oven on low for serving, Nobody cares how long you smoked/ cooked it. The taste/texture difference is minimal 

Chicken breasts:The  3 “s”’s Sauce, season, sauce: butterfly chicken breasts to even thickness. You don’t want a big thick end and a thin end. 1.Sauce(marinade):   Put in marinade of choice for an hour or so. Set Grill at medium heat and 2. Season with whatever you like .(I like Tajin)  Flip after a few minutes and season other side, 3. Turn heat to medium high and Sauce/baste from original marinade to finish. Flip and baste as needed until done.  Don’t let it dry out. Check temp for about 160 but after enough practice you can just tell by looking. 

Perkis-Size Me

February 24th, 2023 at 7:05 PM ^

Does anyone have recommendations on how to properly remove the membrane? I’ve tried to do it myself in the past but it ends up turning into a mess where I have to pull little pieces off, one at a time. I’ve even had a butcher tell me at our favorite shop that pulling the membrane off isn’t necessary.  

As for steak, I’ve stopped trusting myself on the timing for grilling it and we’ve only got a propane tank so I’m not sure I’m doing the steak any justice by cooking it there anyway. 

We use the Anova water cooker and then sear it in a pan for a few minutes. It cooks perfectly, and it allows us to marinate/season the steak however we’d like. I’m not sure how favorably that cooking method is looked upon in grilling circles but it’s a truly a foolproof method to ensure that your meat is not over or undercooked. 

Ray

February 24th, 2023 at 9:04 PM ^

I use a butter knife at the larger end, then grab it with a paper towel and pull towards the remaining membrane on the wider side of the ribs.

Sometimes though, stuff comes off in the little sections you describe anyway. That’s not too often, but c’est la vie. They’ll still be delicious. 

MGlobules

February 24th, 2023 at 7:17 PM ^

 

There is some serious knowledge being dropped here; kudos to all the pitmasters. 

I find that just boiling pork shoulder in salt and onion before breaking it up for carnitas makes a fabulously tasty food. I cover it in a poblano chili sauce with slices of avocado and radish over corn tortillas and only corn tortillas, and it is one of the two or three most consistently dishes that--for 30 years now--my wife and I go to for celebrations. Dead easy. 

I also really like beef chow fun, and the right meat for that is a cheap skirt steak, marinated for a couple of days in soy sauce and black vinegar with a little sugar and pounded flat--not in strips--like they serve in Chinese restaurants. Sear--that is, drop into an incredibly hot wok--and immediately reduce the heat before adding your noodles (homemade chow fun noodles are to die for.) The resulting beef, cut into fairly small pieces, cannot be something you have to chew and chew, but which occupies a gratifying place between toothsome and soft. Can eat this until I pop.

I know that this is wandering a little bit far afield. . .  

runandshoot

February 25th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^

Here is the original article by J Kenji Lopez-Alt (who basically pioneered, or at least promoted the hell out of this method) from 2007 in Cook's Illustrated. Nowhere in the article does he say this method is for novices or for people "who don't know what the fuck they are doing."

https://www.americastestkitchen.com/cooksillustrated/articles/39-the-problem-with-thick-cut-steaks

He actually says they are trying to solve the issue of the gray band of overcooked meat on thick steaks using the traditional cooking methods.

I think it's hilarious that you are trying to paint it as some sort of crutch for those with no skill when it's generally regarded as a superior way of cooking a thick steak if you are looking for the best results (and don't have/want a sous vide machine).

 

B-Nut-GoBlue

February 25th, 2023 at 10:15 PM ^

Great!   I don't know what I'm doing.  I'm not a perfect chef, griller, nor smoker...but I've read and learned a lot on how to make some good products.  It seems to be working.  Keep doing what you're doing if it works.  The rest of us will keep learning and finding how to better our processes and meals.  And also wipe...after shitting ;)

L'Carpetron Do…

February 24th, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^

Because it's a Friday during Lent and I gave up meat completely because I'm an aspirational vegetarian, I'll make my usual plug for fake meat.  Fake meat has come a long way and it makes being vegetarian much easier. You can definitely eat hearty without meat now. 

Trader Joe's soy chorizo is the most versatile - it's got great texture and flavor and we use it in everything. I put some of it in a veggie chili the other day and we make tacos out of it, put in on pizza and use it to beef up pasta. It also goes great with eggs. 

I'm also a huge fan of Impossible burgers and Beyond Meat. Morningstar makes some good frozen stuff and I recently discovered a plant-based Buffalo patty that is great in the air fryer. Some of other fake beef stuff hasn't really come around on the flavor yet - but adds the substance and texture you need most of the time (I'm about to have some leftover fake Philly cheesesteaks or leftover fake beef stew for dinner) .

I'm really interested to see how lab-grown 'real' meat develops in the next few years. 

TBuck97

February 24th, 2023 at 8:23 PM ^

I absolutely love the grill. Burgers and hot dogs. If we are going steaks I have to do the cast iron on the stove. Key is high temps and basting. Also a nice oven fan is nice if you live in a house like mine. That, or temporarily take the batteries out of your smoke detectors. 

Buckeye_Impaler8124

February 24th, 2023 at 9:00 PM ^

I’ve always found the 3-2-1 method for ribs to be the best. Peel off membrane and use mustard as a bonding agent. Make a dry rub of heavy salt and pepper along with garlic powder, onion powder and brown sugar, maybe a couple shakes of slap ya mamma. 225 on the smoker for the first 3 hours with a moisture pan and spritzing every 45 minutes with a combination of apple cider vineagar, apple juice, rub and melted butter. Wrap for 2 hours in 2 sheets of heavy duty foil with honey, butter and another good spritz. Uncover for the last hour and glaze.

Edit: use oak logs. Nothing gives flavor like oak imo

UNCWolverine

February 24th, 2023 at 10:27 PM ^

Filet Mignon using sous vide is both idiot proof and spectacular.

Step 1 - buy a sous vide device.

Translated sous vide means "under a vacuum". The two main inputs when cooking is temperature and time, unlike geology which is the study of pressure and time (Andy Dufresne), but I digress.

Sous vide is cooking food in a vacuum sealed bag under water. Sounds weird, but really makes sense after a bit. Medium rare filet for example is 129 degrees. And the minimum time to cook it through is based on the thickness of the meat, that's what she said (Michael Scott).

I like to add Worcestershire sauce to the bag of filet. Then vacuum seal it and cook at 129 until it's cooked through, again based on thickness. After that just sear on a lodge skillet for about 60 seconds on both sides, cracking some pepper on it. 

Enjoy 

 

GoBlueDenver

February 25th, 2023 at 5:21 AM ^

Been a long time since I’ve posted around here but I have to give the is board props for having given me my ribs recipe, which is an all timer. 
 

Peel off membrane. Soak ribs in pineapple juice overnight. Might as well cut the rack into thirds ahead of time as well. 
 

next morning, cover in rib rub, wrap each piece of the ribs in plastic wrap (Saran wrap), place in an aluminum pan - go ahead and stack these wrapped pieces up. Don’t use glass pan - if you do, line in aluminum foil or the plastic wrap will melt. Cook like this for 6-7 hours in oven. Take out, unwrap the wrap and finish the ribs on 400 degree grill, brushing with bbq sauce til the sauce carmelizes. The ribs will be falling apart at this point. Serve whenever you’re ready. 
 

thanks to whoever shared this with me like 12 years ago on this board. 

WindyCityBlue

February 25th, 2023 at 7:04 AM ^

I wasn’t the one who shared that recipe with you, but that is basically the same method I use.  I much prefer to cook my ribs in the oven. I know the purists will gasp at that, but getting even heat is so key and I find the oven simply the best at it. 
 

I do finish it off on the grill as well, but I jack the heat up to 800 degrees. 

1VaBlue1

February 25th, 2023 at 9:30 AM ^

Get yourself a gravity fed charcoal smoker.  You can use wood with the charcoal (or on its own) and they have a digital controller so the temp keeps (far) better than your oven ever will.  You'll never put ribs or butt in the oven again (unless you wrap them to finish).  Pellet grills are far better than an oven, also, but don't give as much smoke flavor (IMO).

Oven for ribs....  JFC, and you want us to believe you have 'tips'?  SMdamnH...

WindyCityBlue

February 25th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^

Yea, I acknowledged that using an oven does not sit well with most, but I’ve tried all the methods you mentioned and still find that an oven is better in getting an even cook. With that, I do use a convection oven which is far superior in doing this than a regular oven, so perhaps that’s the difference. 
 

You certainly can’t get the flavors that a smoker or pellet grill can offer on an oven, which is why I focus on the seasoning and or sauce for that effect. 

runandshoot

February 25th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^

I second the gravity-fed charcoal smoker. I have one of the Masterbuilt ones (which are not built to last, I will add), but there are more expensive, better made ones that are pretty fantastic as well.

Between that and my Weber kettle, I don't use the gas grill and rarely use the oven when cooking meats.

MaizeBlueA2

February 25th, 2023 at 6:39 AM ^

I love ribs on the grill...agree on remove the membrane and no sauce until the end.

Indirect heat, and a disposable aluminum tray of water under the ribs in the base of the grill and mine turnout great.

I just hate preparing ribs, takes so damn long.

I'm fine with steak, veggies, salmon*, burgers and I've been getting into sausages from the butcher shops. Endless fire emojis.

I'll do wings on the grill, but even those are now just as good out of the air fryer, take em out, toss them in homemade sauces and go to work. Easy and easy clean-up.

*Our toaster over is pretty fancy, I can bake salmon in there and get incredible salmon with the same crust and tendernes...just doesn't have the smoke.

Eastside Maize

February 25th, 2023 at 6:51 AM ^

I dry brine my steaks and lamb chops. I prefer using skin on salmon filets because it prevents the salmon from tearing while flipping. I use this Famous Dave’s seasoning on my lamb chops…it’s amazing!!

Angry-Dad

February 25th, 2023 at 8:36 AM ^

Thanks WCB!  I always salt and pepper my steaks and let sit on the counter for about an hour before searing.  I will hold off on the salt.  Thanks for the tip.

BlueHenBlue

February 25th, 2023 at 8:58 AM ^

The best short ribs ever: sear first, and then sous-vide at 135 - 145F for at least 2 days. You'll get all that collagen broken down and the ribs are then tender AF.