OT: Secrets of grilling and/or preparing of your favorite meats
Slow Friday somewhat so I thought I throw out a fun topic which will no doubt force you to break your Lenten obligation.
So, overall, I'm a horrible cook. I'll mess up mac-n-cheese if you give me the chance. However, I've become very proficient cooking both beef and pork in a lot of different capacities. Through lots of experience, and some trial and error, I come across some good "secrets" to ensuring that preparing beef and pork is as tasty as possible. My objective is to share my learnings, and hope others will share theirs. So here are mine:
Beef
- The key to any good steak is how well you prepare the crust/bark, regardless of beef grade.
- I find that front searing is much better than reverse searing since the front searing process pushes moisture into the meat which helps with remainder of the cook.
- Before you season and sear, you MUST remove all the moisture from the beef with paper towel. A wet steak will not sear properly because the moisture will cause the beef to get steamed, instead of seared.
- With that, if you use salt to season your steak (which I highly recommend), do so right before the searing step. Salt will draw moisture to the surface, so if you let the salt sit too long, the steak will get wet and ruin the searing step.
- A meat thermometer is key to ensure the steak is cooked to desired temp. Even the competitive cookers use one.
- With that, take your steak off the cook about 10 degrees below your desired temp, as it will continue to cook, and don't touch it for about 10 minutes.
- Steaks and briskets and completely different cooking philosophies. Steaks are best at about medium rare (135 degrees F), which is good for flavor and juiciness, but getting good tenderness is harder. Briskets cook longer and get to higher temps (about 205 degrees F) which helps with tenderness (beef collagen breaks down at around 200 degrees), but makes maintaining juiciness and flavor harder. Hence the importance of a good crust/bark
- Saturated fats are typically on the out side of the steak and render at higher temps compared to intra-muscular fats that are poly-unsaturated fats.
Pork (ribs)
- Remove the membrane on the back of the rack for better "fall of the bone" ability
- Consistent heat is key. Most grills can't offer that, so use a smoker or a convection oven
- Do not put your BBQ sauce on right at the beginning of the cook. It will burn off all the flavor. Put it on at the end.
- Pork is not as forgivable on temp compared to steak, so be sure your internal temp hits at least 165 degrees F
- I find that combining a pork rub AND BBQ sauce messes with the flavors. Choose a rub or BBQ sauce, but don't combine
I'm sure I forgot some, but I'm looking forward to some from the MgoBlogosphere.
February 24th, 2023 at 5:16 PM ^
This Kenji person seems really serious about his eats. He should start a blog / write some books. Can’t think of a good name for his website, though…
February 24th, 2023 at 5:55 PM ^
This is the way.
February 25th, 2023 at 8:44 AM ^
I've abandoned my grill for chicken breasts. Put in them in a pan with butter or olive oil and sear the top side to the color you want, then flip them over. Give them just a minute to sear, then put the pan in a convection oven at 375 until they hit 165 IT. Give a few minutes to rest... Perfectly cooked every time.
Yeah I could do this on the grill, but getting charcoal going for ~10 minutes isn't really worth it. (And lets be serious, charcoal is where its at! I had gas for ~30 years before getting a charcoal smoker/grill, and the flavor no contest.)
February 24th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^
- I find that front searing is much better than reverse searing since the front searing process pushes moisture into the meat which helps with remainder of the cook.
This is a myth and has been proven to be inaccurate by science. Applying heat to the exterior does not "push" moisture to the interior. It simply gets rid of the moisture in the outer layer
FoodNetwork personality Alton Brown attempted to get the truth out in 2008. He took two steaks of about the same size, seared one in a pan, and left the other alone. He then put them both in the oven on a wire rack and cooked them to his target temperature. When he removed them he weighed them again. The unseared steak lost 13% of its weight, but the seared steak lost 19%!
J. Kenji Lopez-Alt of SeriousEats.com did pretty much the same experiment except that he seared a roast before putting it in the oven and another after removing it from the oven. “The meat that was seared first then roasted lost 1.68% more juices than the one that was roasted first then seared.” Why?
Cook’s Illustrated came to the same conclusion after doing experiments with eight ribeyes “The notion of sealing in juices is thus nothing but an old wives’ tale.”
With that, if you use salt to season your steak (which I highly recommend), do so right before the searing step. Salt will draw moisture to the surface, so if you let the salt sit too long, the steak will get wet and ruin the searing step
You want to either salt immediately before searing, or 45 mins to an hour before. If you salt well in advance, the steak will eventually reabsorb the brine formed by the salt drawing moisture out, because that brine will break down the muscle fibers and the meat will become more adsorptive
February 24th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^
This and the salting comment is why I said above that I question the chemistry here. And by "question" I mean deny.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^
My personal celebrity chef that has never let me down, Alton Brown agrees. He had a whole episode on Good Eats about the “best” way to cook a steak and his suggested method was to roast to the desired temp and then sear.
Personally, I still prefer to sear on high direct heat over charcoal and then indirect heat to bring the inside of the meat up to temp. I usually end up a shade under medium rare after a total cook time of 8-10 minutes (sear each side for 1-2 mins depending on the flame, then indirect heat for 6-8 minutes with indirect heat to finish).
Bottom line, the best way to do it is the way that you know best and tastes good to you and yours.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^
Beef: Raw
Pork: Rare
Chicken: grill until it starts to leak. This is when the protein denatures and pushes water out. Do not let the chicken shrink. It will be dry.
Alternative: Smoke it all. Never more than 225, usually 210. It may take 16 hours for a shoulder but it's always amazing. Don't over do the paprika. Brown sugar in your rub is your friend.
February 24th, 2023 at 4:59 PM ^
Amazingribs.com
and
J. Kenji López-Alt
These are the secrets to success.
They prove cooking with science and testing.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^
I beat the shit out of my meat
February 24th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^
I'm married.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^
Yeah😐
February 24th, 2023 at 3:17 PM ^
You shit out of your meat?
Asking for a friend.
February 24th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^
So you like to abuse your schnitzel? LOL!
February 24th, 2023 at 5:56 PM ^
I was waiting for this.... 50 posts in and not a single beat or rub double entendre.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^
Beef stew: Toss the meat with 2 Tbs flour, salt and pepper, then sear it in fat in a dutch oven. Remove and set aside. In the same pot, saute onions, celery and carrots, scraping the bottom with a spatula. Add some chopped garlic and saute for a minute or two more. Here's the secret to great tasting beef in the stew: add one anchovy, a sprig of rosemary, and a small dried chile, like chile de arbol. It's a secret I learned from a chef in LA. She adds this trio to a lot of her meat preparations, especially the braises, and it gives the whole thing a great depth of flavor. If you're doing a large batch, you could probably double the anchovy and chile. I wouldn't double the rosemary since it's such a strong flavor. Then add a bit of tomato paste, stir for a minute or two, dump the beef back in, stir it well, and add some stock to just cover the meat. I use chicken, beef would probably be better. Bring to a boil, then put the lid on and transfer to a 275 - 300 degree oven for at least 4 hours. I usually make it the day before I'm planning on serving it, or even two days before. The flavor really develops over that period. Sometimes I add a bit of mustard in the saute stage, or a bit of alcohol like red wine or beer right after adding the tomato paste. It's probably my favorite preparation because you can really improvise with the flavors, but the anchovy/rosemary/chile trio is something I always do.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:30 PM ^
What cut of beef do you use for your stew?
I've tried using actual "stew meat" (as labeled by the store), and it was some of the chewiest meat I've ever had - despite a long slow cook that SHOULD have broken it down.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:43 PM ^
I use left over chunks of steak we don't eat. And deer. Mostly I wait until we have enough left over steak and chuck roast. Just freeze it a bag. For beef stock, use beef base, not bullion.
February 24th, 2023 at 3:15 PM ^
i always use chuck roast, seared well, then into the crock pot. by the time it's done its basically shreddable with a spoon
February 24th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^
I like to buy a chuck roast and cut it myself. I like big pieces. They don't dry out like the smaller ones you buy pre-cut. I also cut off the big hard pieces of fat which don't render down as well as the lighter marbling.
February 24th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
Send the fat to me. Its the best part!
February 24th, 2023 at 11:31 PM ^
And save the neck for me, Clark!
February 24th, 2023 at 2:44 PM ^
Yes, the anchovy (like fish sauce) is a great source of umami (like Worchester sauce or soy sauce).
Also people miss how a bit of sugar can round out a savory sauce and how they can brighten a dull soup or sauce with a bit of acid like vinegar or lemon.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^
Fun fact I didn't know til recently...Worchester sauce HAS anchovies in it.
Had no idea.
#GoodShitJedd
February 24th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^
We use it in our deer snack sticks. It helps mitigate the gamey flavor
February 24th, 2023 at 3:10 PM ^
our deer snack sticks.
"our"? Do you sell them? Or just your own supply? I've tried a few and not been impressed, so was curious!
February 26th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^
My cousin and I. We hunt, mix snack sticks 80% deer, 20% ground pork shoulder. The garlic sticks are good with a little Worcestershire. Our favorite area probably black pepper.
February 24th, 2023 at 3:02 PM ^
I hereby request Wendy consider Being the MasterChef and cater to one giant Mgoblog BBQ if she would agree to such a thing. We Will take up a collection and pay her handsomely.
All in favor, say ‘aye’.
February 24th, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^
Aye. Maybe we could do the MGoBlog BBQ at the MGoBlog Camping trip we've been talking about for years?
February 24th, 2023 at 4:04 PM ^
i assume you will be bringing roasted koala?
February 24th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^
I'm in.
February 24th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
XMs idea so we do it at his farm?
all in favor?
February 24th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^
Not until he produces a steer that has 4-6 briskets.
February 24th, 2023 at 9:09 PM ^
you're a champ wendy. and i have no doubt it would be a meal to remember.
February 25th, 2023 at 10:37 PM ^
In song recommendations?
February 24th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
letting cuts sit for 5-10 minutes to reabsorb juices. same with burgers - pull off several minutes early. no rush. not really a tip since its standard practice - key step nonetheless.
a nice crust makes a huge difference too. if youre cooking in a skillet make sure to get all 4 ends
February 24th, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^
I agree with most of your beef guidance, though I differ on the subject of the reverse sear. For thicker steaks especially, the reverse sear is the way to go, and the idea is similar to the sous vide method that others have mentioned. You can bring the steak to your desired cook temp, then quickly sear it off; doing it this way, you'll see a more consistent cook through the interior than you'll achieve through a front sear.
On pork, you're absolutely murdering the meat if you're cooking to 165.
Edited to add: Again with larger cuts in mind, you can (and should, if you ask me) salt overnight.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^
Pork does not need to be cooked until it's leather like it's 1932. Don't ruin your meat. If you have to, beat it. That's alright. Just don't ruin it.
February 24th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^
OP actually picked the worst of both worlds: they were talking about ribs, which need to get to higher temps than 165 to render the collagens
And if you cook a pork chop, tenderloin, etc to 165 it's gonna be dry AF
February 24th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^
Steaks cooked sous vide with garlic, butter, and herbs in the vacuum sealed bag at about 95F for a couple hours. Sear it in a ripping hot cast iron for a minute or two on each side and it's a perfectly cooked steak with a nice crust. I prefer sous vide because you can leave it alone for a long time and the actual cooking time is just a few minutes.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^
For anyone seriously interested in barbecuing, I'd highly recommend Amazing Ribs and the companion book, Meathead: The Science of Great Barbecue and Grilling. It directly addresses a lot of the myths and misinformation surrounding grilling with a collaboration between a champion pitmaster and a physicist/food science PhD, which includes your comment on salt timing above.
The author also has a knack for explaining complex topics simply, and covers everything from "choosing a grill" to "the chemistry of the maillard reaction" to "building your own bbq rub".
Touching on the front versus reverse sear: front searing doesn't 'push' moisture into the meat, and searing meat doesn't lock in the juices (source; which is from Amazing Ribs, but references multiple experiments done by Alton Brown and others). Not saying either method is wrong, though, and I prefer using the front sear for thinner steaks anyways.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^
For a thinner steak, there's is nothing but the sear
February 24th, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^
Can't recommend AmzingRibs enough. Truly learned about meat science and smoking theory via the website. Great rub recipes (seriously, make your own rubs and save some $$), tips, recommendations on thermometers/smokers, etc.. Just an overall great resource.
February 24th, 2023 at 2:34 PM ^
My biggest tip is to pull your meat when you hit the internal temp you're looking for, not time on the grill/in the smoker...temp, not time
February 24th, 2023 at 2:34 PM ^
Sorry but I completely disagree with some of this. For example, almost all pork cuts should only go to 145, unless we’re talking ribs, shoulder and other “smoker” cuts, and those are cooked until tender, and not to temp. Ribs will probably end up around 195, and shoulder 190-205. I combine a rub and a sauce on all my ribs and some other cuts, just sauce towards the end so the sugars don’t burn.
February 24th, 2023 at 5:14 PM ^
My pork tips were just for ribs. My point is that while you can have a steak from rare to well done, you don’t get that freedom with pork.
February 24th, 2023 at 5:54 PM ^
You can absolutely have rare or medium rare pork. It's actually quite amazing
1) they have really solved the trichinosis issue from decades ago
2) you can use sous vide and the temp/time combination to achieve the same 7-log reduction in harmful bacteria as you would by cooking to 165 and instantly killing everything
See: https://www.seriouseats.com/sous-vide-pork-tenderloin-recipe#toc-is-pin…
February 25th, 2023 at 9:56 AM ^
I mentioned this in an earlier comment: it's not the color, it's the grain of the meat that tells you that it's cooked to a safe temp. The grain should look opaque and "tight," not translucent at all. It can still be a bit pink as long as it doesn't have the translucent raw look to it. Same with poultry.