OT: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees
The list for this year includes these four:
- Dave Matthews Band
- Foreigner
- Peter Frampton
- Kool & The Gang
I submit for discussion and comparison these bands/performers that are not inductees:
America, The B-52s, Blood Sweat and Tears, ELP, Grand Funk Railroad, The Guess Who, Jethro Tull, Kansas, Marshall Tucker Band, Harry Nilsson, REO Speedwagon, Gerry Rafferty, Supertramp, Three Dog Night, Steve Winwood (solo).
I submit all on this non- inductees list belong, at least, ahead of Frampton (and yes, I'm of the age and headspace that adored that Frampton Comes Alive effort).
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:37 AM ^
I abstaining on Marshall Tucker since I don't know enough about what they did in entirety.
They have never gotten their due. Kind of in the shadow of the Allman Brothers. Listen to Ramblin'. Just a great high energy song. Toy Caldwell at his best. It evokes the spirit of an old Robert Johnson blues number of the same name.
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:52 AM ^
Wendy, Grand Funk were the biggest band in the US for a few years.
April 22nd, 2024 at 12:47 PM ^
I just have to go off from what my dad says, since I wasn't born until the late 80s, but Grand Funk were HUGE.
April 22nd, 2024 at 12:53 PM ^
Grand Funk was one of those bands that people loved and the critics hated. That may play a role. This was true of Led Zep and Queen but that tide turned pretty quickly.
I'm old but they were a bit before my time. Nevertheless my mother was super young (20 when she got married) and she listened to everything I would've listened to if I was a teenager then. I still have her Iron Butterfly In a Gadda Vida album. She was into Grand Funk, and I liked them when I was in high school.
Steve Winwood's solo work is extremely impressive (Arc of a Diver, and Back in the High Life enjoyed both critical and commercial acclaim, and there's a lot more than just that).
The above list (of performers, not "musical influences, which also includes the MC5) is missing A Tribe Called Quest, Ozzy Osborne, Cher, and Mary J. Blige.
Tribe is the only inductee that I'd actively choose to listen to (Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory are perfect albums, IMO) but, obviously, YMMV.
You dropped the bomb on me, baby
You dropper the bomb on me
HOT TAKE: Dave Matthews Band is the worst band of all time. Good musicians? Unquestionably. And yet, they remain total dogshit.
As a child of the 80s and 90s, they were quite the polarizing band. Girls swooned, some guys liked, but most didn't.
Also, they dumped their shit off a bridge - which in the 70s would have been rock and roll all day.. and yet when these guys did it, it felt like utter douchery. Because they are..
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:02 AM ^
DMB was the #1 grossing touring act in the US for years on end, even after they were a bit past their prime creative output. They're emblematic of a very popular strain of popular music. The RRHOF is clear now that they're pitching a wide tent, so there's no reason why they shouldn't be inducting the best of the alt rock/jam band fusion groups of the 90s.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:28 AM ^
I could listen to an entire Dave Matthews band and be thoroughly unimpressed and actually probably annoyed.
But live performances of songs like Seek Up, #41, Grey Street, Bartender and some others are totally different animals.
Some of the best performances I have ever seen are by Dave Matthews. I have also left a show or two because my ears hurt and they sounded like garbage. In the iconic words of Eddie Murphy in Coming to America, DMB is the epitome of "Good and Terrible."
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:54 AM ^
the barenaked ladies are the worst band of all time..... i can't imagine a sane human being listening to a single song they produced and thinking "damn, that's good music" or "that is music" four tweekers with helium balloons would be easier on the ears.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:56 AM ^
Rock Spectacle had some moments. But since then, I agree they are very bad.
ew on the first. fine with the rest.
You listed some good ones. Not sure I agree with all, but as always, that's a personal preference.
I will say that this group is... particularly weak. Who is the headliner?
Weak-ass class. Foreigner sucks. Oasis should be in.
Until Joe Cocker is inducted I have no use for this supposed hall of fame.
BTW, does anyone know how to change their user name here? I am not a big poster and my name goes back to the Wilton Speight era.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:13 AM ^
oh it's really easy. You just go to the comment box in any thread, type in "my mother is a Supertramp" and then click save. you'll get a prompt to input your new username.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^
Your mother is a supertramp
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:27 AM ^
Nice...
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:55 AM ^
just for safety's sake.... wait about ...... six months before you decide to change your handle.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:05 AM ^
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is as relevant as the WWE Hall of Fame. Fun to talk about, but not going to lose any sleep over it.
I have no problem with anyone that made it in. The four listed by the OP were Iconic in their time.
I have no problem with any of the left out bands mentioned by the OP. Kansas and The B-52s in particular stand out as bands that should be there already.
Oasis, Sinead O'Connor, and Jane's Addiction were ROCK STARS that weren't mentioned in the OP. You can't tell the story of rock and roll without them.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:08 AM ^
The fact that Chris Cornell is not in the Hall of Fame to some degree is incredible. Not sure how Soundgarden is not in the Hall of Fame at this stage.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:23 AM ^
Wait, how can you have something called the rock and roll hall of Fame and not have Soundgarden in it? This does not compute.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:09 AM ^
Are there actual, meaningful criteria for admission? Doesn't seem like it. Seems like they just add whomever they want. It's pretty dumb. It doesn't seem like anything anyone should really care about. We visited the RRHOF once while driving through Cleveland on our way to somewhere else. It was a mildly fun place to visit once. I find it very unlikely that I would ever return.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:29 AM ^
Criteria:
- Have a debut album that’s 25 years or older
- Be or have been “influential”
- Make it through the voting process after being nominated
So, no criteria...
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:10 AM ^
Should change the name to music hall of fame .. or get another hall of fame. For other types of music
April 22nd, 2024 at 12:49 PM ^
I agree. Popular Music Hall of Fame should just about cover it.
If they really wanted to be accurate, it would be called The Post World War Two Popular Music In Any Genre - Except Crooners Like Andy Williams And Pure Country - And Those Who Influenced It Hall Of Fame, but that's a little wordy.
I see at least one MGoUser who has reason to celebrate that MC5 is finally getting some HOF recognition.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:30 AM ^
Warren Zevon is a glaring omission (or did I miss him getting in finally? I know Wenner had some personal grudge against him).
April 22nd, 2024 at 12:15 PM ^
Zevon is like Cocker, any Hall without him is not a Hall of Fame.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:36 AM ^
REO Speedwagon is not getting in - Ever.
The Guess Who, Supertramp and Tull probably deserve to be in.
I'm not losing sleep over Grand Funk or Kansas missing out.
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:41 AM ^
Carry on my wayward sons…
Obviously the band that in 1969 Jimi Hendrix called "the Greatest Band in the World" - King Crimson should be in. Without them there would be no Yes,ELP, Genesis,Gabriel, etc.
Yes and Genesis (Peter Gabriel era) forged their own path at roughly the same time as King Crimson. But I otherwise totally agree, King Crimson absolutely belongs in the HOF .
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:38 AM ^
Pantera and Thin lizzy aren't in.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:46 AM ^
I was riding with my grandfather when I was nine and he turned off the car radio. Hot Blooded by Foreigner was playing. He was a good friend.
Post of the day. Shut down the internets.
April 22nd, 2024 at 10:50 AM ^
RR HoF is a joke.
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:11 AM ^
Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My word is but a whisper, your deafness a shout. I may make you feel but I can't make you think. Your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the sink.
So you ride yourself over the fields. And you make all your animal deals. And your wisemen don't know how it feels, to be thick as a brick.
Jethro Tull, from Thick as a Brick.
Ian Anderson is still plugging along singing about Aqualung, playing the Teacher while his band bungles in the rock n roll jungle.
Before there was jumpman, there was Anderson dancing,, wild eyed with bandana, flute in hand, serenading the high notes and gesticulating on stage. Yes, his band's omission from all-time rock n' roll HOF status is a massive oversight.
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:13 AM ^
Jethro Tull and Harry Nilsson not being in blows my mind.
With the way the RRHOF operates frank sinatra, bing crosby and Lawrence welk have better chances than those guys in getting in next year.
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:30 AM ^
Honestly, I'm surprised the four inductees took THIS LONG before they got in.
Went with my then-girlfriend, now wife of 31 years, to see REO at the Midland County Fair August 1990. My hearing never recovered :>) We were so close to the speakers. The synth along on the Keep on Rollin' probably cost me 10 db loss in hearing alone. But what a great night it was!
Supertramp would have probably been in by now if not for the split between the band and Roger Hodgson. Breakfast in America album was a great memory from my 10th grade days (1979).
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:36 AM ^
These are great bands from the 70s and 80s. Not sure about the choices for this year. Not a big fan of Foreigner or DMB. I loved The Guess Who and Jethro Tull as a teen. My order:
- Jethro Tull
- Guess Who
- America
- Supertramp
- B-52
- Three Dog Night
- Blood Sweat & Tears
- Kansas
- MTB
- REO
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:43 AM ^
Kool & The Gang!!! They have so many great songs, it's hard to remember them all.
Celebration (my personal choice after any victory over the Buckeyes), Get Down on It, Jungle Boogie, Ladies Night, Too Hot, Summer Madness, Fresh, Steppin' Out, Joanna, Cherish, Fresh, Misled, Hollywood Swinging, Funky Stuff, Love & Understanding, etc.
They are one of the most sampled bands out there. They still tour. I am bummed I missed their recent show in Washington state near Olympia.
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:45 AM ^
Now that KISS is in, you might as well induct Dundee’s entire list. They’re all more talented, important & influential than KISS. And I have nothing against KISS. My point is the bar has been lowered. Let them all in.
And Paul Revere and the Raiders!! Hungry for that good thing, baby!
(Unless they’re already in. Lol.) I agree about Wenner. Total DB.
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:50 AM ^
Frampton has been eligible for over 25 years and NOW he’s good enough?
April 22nd, 2024 at 11:59 AM ^
Strongly disagree agree with you, OP---Peter Frampton being inducted into the HOF yesterday was long overdue. Frampton has long been one of my favorite guitarists due to his somewhat unique jazz-influenced playing style but he's also very capable when playing the blues too. I just saw Frampton for the 5th time (first couple times were at Wings Stadium in K-zoo, back in the "Frampton Comes Alive!" days) about a month ago in Gary at the Hard Rock Cafe, also saw him at Meijer Gardens last summer. He's lost nearly all his hair and has a degenerative muscle disease that prevents him from standing up while performing, but he's lost nothing as an entertainer, singer, and guitarist.
Matter of fact, his old band Humble Pie should also be in the HOF, Steve Marriott and company have long been overlooked by the hall.
I agree with most of the others you listed except for probably Gerry Rafferty and REO Speedwagon. Of that list, Tull, Winwood, ELP, Guess Who, and Grand Funk should be slam-dunks.