OT: The Last Jedi (SPOILER Edition)
Spoiler WARNING. For anyone who wants to discuss TLJ feel free to include any spolier info you want. Here are my thoughts.
Best Parts:
- throne room fight
- Poe tooling with Hux
- Luke with Leia toward the end
- R2 convincing Luke to come back
- Yoda
- Holdo with the Hyperspace kamikazi move - beaurty of a sceen
- Rey vs Luke in the rain
- the flashbacks
- DJ the slicer
Parts that I thought weren't so good:
- Super Leia (could have killed her 2-3 ways that would have been fine)
- Maz from star tours (can't have her on the ship with the resistance? Have her point Finn et al to Lando maybe?)
- BB-8 piloting an AT-ST
- Luke milking that thing - I guess it really sets up his character status but that was just weird
- some of the canto bight stuff went long so it didn't bother me really
I thought it was some amazing screenplay and story telling- every main character had a legit moment of "are they doing the right thing"? Even the secondary characters like Adml Holdo- you didn't know where she was going. Lots of questions answered. Lots of ways to go in the next one. Overall, this was the movie to move the SW story forward and not keep looking backward. Who knows what EpIX will be.
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December 17th, 2017 at 5:34 PM ^
That was Colin Trevorrow, not Rian Johnson.
December 17th, 2017 at 10:50 AM ^
December 18th, 2017 at 7:29 AM ^
December 18th, 2017 at 3:18 PM ^
When something gets nearly universal acclaim prior to opening, how else are people supposed to feel about a movie that is (being generous) a 7/10 at best and probably closer to 5 or 6/10? Especially when you're given the excuse that the reason for TFA being a remake of the original is to set up greatness in the next film.
You're being told you're getting this incredible film and it ends up being okay. Its kind of the opposite of Rogue One. Rogue One was plagued by numerous issues in its creation and had numerous rumors out about how poor it was going to be, but ended up being better than either TFA or TLJ.
Its weird: Despite knowing how Rogue One was going to end, I felt it had stakes. I didn't feel there were any stakes in either of the other movies. The only time I felt a thrill was when Luke walked out of the base toward the end to meet Kylo Ren.
December 18th, 2017 at 3:41 PM ^
December 18th, 2017 at 4:22 PM ^
Yeah, but that's what it was hyped as. That's why it has a 93% on RT and a 96% among Top Critics. Plus, one of the big excuses as to why TFA was so generic in its storytelling was because it was setting up for something big. That's why TFA got such good reviews from both critics and fans. It was a "Okay! The series is back on track! Sure its a remake of ANH, but its competently done and not the prequels and now we are ready for something big and exciting in the next one!". Instead, it was fine.
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December 18th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
He is a different villain. Obviously if you just want another Darth Vader you're goign to hate him. I understand why people don't like him but I think it makes him an interesting character.
December 17th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^
If lighhtspeeding into another ship can destroy even the largest Destroyers, why don't they just build ships/missiles just to do that? Why bother with any other weapon?
December 17th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^
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December 17th, 2017 at 10:38 AM ^
The storylines are stale.
There's some goodness -
- Score is awesome as usual.
- It's good to have stronger roles for women...
How many ships can be blown up; how many villians killed before it just gets old.
I'm still going to see them all... just looking for the Empire Strikes Back magic.
Don't get me wrong... worth a screening just not what it could have been with respect to the screenplay.
My stupid opinion.
December 17th, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^
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December 17th, 2017 at 11:06 AM ^
I think they PC'd that into Rey having no lineage.
December 17th, 2017 at 11:48 AM ^
"I am your father was gold." Indeed it was, at the time of the release of what's now ep. V. It will have no impact on new generations who begin by watching ep. I and going forward from there.
December 17th, 2017 at 11:20 AM ^
I get that some people had their formative years built around the new an awesome that Star Wars had to have been back in 1979, and that they feel like the franchise has been all about merch for the tiny tots since RotJ. Here's my retort...so what? These movies aren't high class cinema, they are space operas. Acting not so great in Episodes 1-3? Ok, fair complaint. But yammering on about how Disney has ruined the franchise by telling a story that is different than the one you want, that's your issue bro. If you don't like the story, go write a fan fic and see just how easy it is to write something that is true to the characters and moves the narrative forward in a satsifying way.
Enjoy the movies for what they are or stop paying money to watch them. I'm sure that they'll find themselves in the vast minority if they choose to stop consuming the films and extended Star Wars universe.
December 17th, 2017 at 11:38 AM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^
Take them for what they are and not what you want it to be and you’ll probably enjoy them a lot more.
I was disappointed that Snoke’s backstory is unimportant or unconnected to previous Sith Lords. I was disappointed that Rey isn’t a Kenobi or Skywalker or Windu or something. But oh well, it was still a great way to spend 3 hours and I can’t wait to do it again on Tuesday with my kids because I know they’ll love it. Have fun with it...
December 17th, 2017 at 1:54 PM ^
Honestly, you can kind of use michigan football as an analogy:
Michigan has tradition, $ for facilities and super high paid coaches, famous alums that sing their praises on lots of sports/media shows, is at least near some talent rich areas . . . yet keeps on underacheiving for the past 15 years.
Star Wars has a fantastic prebuilt universe, compelling, beloved characters, a space/fantasy style that gives a lot of freedom to writwers, as big a budget as any producers/directors could dream of. . . and with all that going for them the best they can produce is a "pretty good, yet flawed" series of films.
It's frustrating. Many of these movies are good, but in context they feel a lot like 3rd place in the B1G East Division.
December 17th, 2017 at 2:34 PM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^
I didn't care for it . There were a couple good scenes but overall I didn't like it. The Finn mission for the codebreaker at the casino/imperial destroyer was a dead end sublot. It was 20 minutes that could have been shaved off a movie that was too long. Then when he and the girl were about to be executed the whole hanger explodes. Somehow They don't have a scratch on them yet all these troopers around them are dead. Except for Christie's character who, despite standing 2 feet from them a minute ago is now re-entering the hanger from much further away with more stormtroopers. Just so they can have a scene of them entering through smoke because it looks cool in the trailer. Also, the forced comedy scene with Poe acting like he's on hold in the beginning didn't even get a cough from the audience. It was awkward. Then when the woman stayed behind on the rebel ship while the pods were fleeing she did a cool thing by jumping into hyperspace straight into the empirial fleet. Cool, yes but they had her twiddle her thumbs and just watch most of the pods get picked off before she did it. She was on a suicide run anyway, why didn't she do it when the first pod got destroyed? It was better than FA but I really hated that one. Loved Rogue one.
December 17th, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^
"Thats amazing. nothing that you've just said is true." - Luke Skywalker
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December 17th, 2017 at 11:08 AM ^
There were also too many dumb animals which I think is Disney trying to keep little kids interested. The stupid squawky birds on Luke's island, and the racing cat things, and the moronically-named "Crystal Critters" that contrary to every animal instinct run into the base instead of into the mountains in the first place and then magically and lassie-esque guide the characters out the back exit? That seemed a little convenient.
I guess the Vice Admiral's death was supposed to make me feel something, but since she didn't have any character development or back story, I didn't really care. Flying magic space Leia was dumb - she's never used her force powers before and it took her like a half hour after being "dead" to magically pull that shit together? Agree that the whole casino planet trek was stupid and pointless. How did Finn's love interest manage to turn around her shitty speeder and catch him when those things go two miles an hour and they were going in opposite directions for five minutes?
Also I feel like light speed has become a huge crutch for the series. Last movie it was "light speed out of the hangar" and "we can go through the shield at light speed but magically stop before we hit the planet because I'm a goddamn secret mathematician/genius" and now they can just light speed through ships and destroy them? Which seems like it should be a true thing, but then isn't every x-wing a super weapon? We could've destroyed the Death Star with only one life lost! And yes, why did the vice admiral just sit there on the ship and watch them blow up the transports? The jig is up dude, at least position your huge ship between the first order and the transports to absorb that blaster fire.
Overall not super impressed with the writing or the movie. I think if it wasn't Star Wars!(c), it'd be a D+ sci-fi film that we'd all mock forever.
December 17th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^
If that's the case, then how did all the First Order soldiers, who I am assuming are not all force sensitives, see Luke on the salt planet?
I kept waiting during the entire film on how they were going to kill off Leia, knowing that Carrie Fisher had died. Even at the very end, when they were boarding the Millenium Falcon, I thought that maybe they would resort to something cliche like a stray laser blast, but no, she survives. I mean, they reportedly reshot 40% of Rogue One after Gareth Edwards was done with it and hired Tony Gilroy to do it. And the reports are that the Han Solo movie was 90% done before Disney canned the directors and hired Ron Howard (???) as the replacement. They couldn't CGI or reshoot Leia passing away? From a storyline standpoint, I think they killed off the wrong Skywalker. There was all this talk about how the Rebellion needed a legend like Luke to come back. How better to do this than for Luke to lead the charge, train more Jedi, and defeat the First Order?
I saw the film and I didn't really like it. They really didn't advance the plot except that now Luke is gone and Snoke is dead and... If they had filmed all three films simultaneously, like Peter Jackson did with the Lord of the Rings, maybe you could make an argument that there is "A Plan" for these three films (VII, VIII, and IX) and that Episode IX will tie everything together.
They're probably the most hated films in the series, but you know, at least Lucas probably had an idea of where things were going to end up in the much-maligned prequels. These last two, VII and now this one, seemed to be sort of aimless shambolic attempts to milk as much money from the Star Wars franchise and fans by Disney.
December 17th, 2017 at 5:21 PM ^
December 17th, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^
It's really not that hard.
You can't just have Rey show up in the throne room with Kylo and kill off the most powerful Dark being in the galaxy after he speaks 25 words and expect to feel anything.
With Vader you had choking of subordinators, obsession/compulsion and relentlessness demonstrated by his pursuit of Skywalker, etc.
It culminates to a climax.
What was the climatic moment in TLJ? The Kylo vs. Luke fight? No. That was fucking anti-climatic.
It's a poorly written film, disjointed and interrupted by a lot of stupid scenes.
The entire Canto Bight Social Justice Warrior/PETA adventure was just pointless and stupid.
December 17th, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^
It's really not that hard.
You can't just have Rey show up in the throne room with Kylo and kill off the most powerful Dark being in the galaxy after he speaks 25 words and expect to feel anything.
With Vader you had choking of subordinators, obsession/compulsion and relentlessness demonstrated by his pursuit of Skywalker, etc.
It culminates to a climax.
What was the climatic moment in TLJ? The Kylo vs. Luke fight? No. That was fucking anti-climatic.
It's a poorly written film, disjointed and interrupted by a lot of stupid scenes.
The entire Canto Bight Social Justice Warrior/PETA adventure was just pointless and stupid.
December 17th, 2017 at 2:15 PM ^
December 18th, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^
But it is Star Wars. If it wasn't the movie would be totally different, Of course if it was a stand alone it would suck. Because nobdy would understand half of it.
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