OT: Jacoby Jones- How is this turd still playing on a pro team?
In his 4th year of playing baseball,......
he is batting .194 (.137 this year)
OBP of .254 (.214 this year)
Slugging .330 (.216 this year)
I used to be hard on Brandon Inge at the plate, but this guy makes Brandon Inge look like Babe Ruth. This guy fucking sucks! How is he not only sticking in the league, but starting?!?!?!?!
Tigers pitching in 2 years will be one of the best rotations in baseball. They need to badly fix the bats though.
Ya - dude is not a hitter. Career .194 BA. Granted the sample size is still relatively small as he only played in 69 games his first two years, but last year he had BA of .207 and is not exactly lighing it up this year.
Yeah when the pitching is ready, they will have to get all their offense from the FA market. They don't even have prospects that can hit.
They have a handful that can hit, but none of them with any real power which is the bigger problem. Cameron, Paredes, Castro and Clemens all have decent hit tools but the power is non existent throughout the minor leagues. Thankfully it’s cheaper than ever to buy power on the free agent market.
This. You can buy bats a hell of a lot cheaper than you can buy arms. And it's a whole lot easier to trade an arm for a bat than the other way around.
As for our pitching prospects, out of Faedo-Manning-Burrowes-Mize, among others, I'm not so sure that we're going to have an overflow of pitching in a couple years. A former GM used to say on MLB Radio: For every rotation arm you want, you'd better plan on drafting three. One is going to pan out. One is going to get hurt. One is going to bomb. For the most part, that seems to make sense.
But it's his defense!
At this point, he's merely a placeholder for Daz Cameron.
/Checks Cameron's Toledo stats
/Confirms that he's hitting .195
/Shrugs
But it begs the question of how long the Tigers let Jones continue to produce meager offensive numbers and pray that his defense more than offsets a .216 slugging percentage.
jones will get every opportunity this year to see if his bat wakes up. if it doesn't he is gone, but not until November. he is a top tier defensive CF.
there is no reason to dump him now. the tigers aren't playing for anything this year, except getting ABs to younger players.
Daz is only 22. He's 0-19 in his last five games, so he's definitely in a cold spell. He'll wake up in time to hopefully get a call up in September.
Batting average is your go-to stat, huh?
You old.
Batting average is your go-to stat, huh?
You old.
Batting average is the first stat you look at, huh?
I thought "Jacoby Jones" was a WR in the NFL.
Pretty sure he could hit .200 too.
My assumption was (and still is) that it’s the same Jacoby Jones, pursuing a baseball career after a decade of football. Hence his suckiness.
Lol I thought the exact same thing.
Edit: turns out there was one for several years.
For right now, he's starting because they have no one better. Sad, but true.
although i get this (no one better) - how can you not find anyone in AAA better than a .200 batting average? Hell, there has to be a guy that only bats .200 but maybe walks/steals a lot? (much higher OBP?).
if your a lifetime under .200 batter, how the hell can you start on a pro team in your 4th year.
I find it almost impossible to believe the Tigers triple A club doesnt have at least 1 guy that bad!
I was hoping either Derek Hill or Cameron would be ready to take over CF by now. Cameron, while hitting only .195 at Toledo, is still probably an offensive upgrade over Jones based on his secondary stats. Hill initially struggled in the minors, then had the unfortunate elbow injury that cost him an entire year. He's hitting .289 at Erie - would be great if he turned the corner this year. Both Hill and Cameron offer similar athletic abilities as Jones with plus defensive profiles, so Jones' clock has to be ticking loudly right now.
I would think that if Jacoby doesn't start hitting soon the Tigers will switch to another outfield project ... I mean prospect.
Hey!! It's JaCoby! If people stopped disrespecting the mans name maybe he would start hitting.
Sounds like a major indictment on the Tigers' farm system. Also, never underestimate the vast jump in talent between minor league pitchers and those in the majors.
Casey Mize sure looks like someone who can handle that vast jump. His circumstances feel a lot like Verlander's. JV jumped to MLB from Double A. He was picked second overall. His calling card was/is the upper 90's heat. Mize is the splitter. Regardless, they both came on the scene with three plus pitches and one exceptional one.
So, trivia for you MgoBloggers. JV was drafted second overall in 2004. Who went first?
Matt Bush I believe
This is correct. San Diego took him because he was local guy and would sign on the cheap.
I read a story about Matt Bush awhile back, how talented he was, and why a comeback happened years later. Never regained what they thought he had as a prospect, but interesting story. Honestly, the fact he went ahead of Verlander was the only reason I checked it out.
So Jim Adduci isn't an option, anymore?
Dang.
Who cares? Let them keep losing and obtaining top draft picks. Trust the Process!
I am all for optimism but "trusting the process" relative to professional Detroit sports teams requires a whole lot of willful ignorance-not a good thing, here.
My point was, it is better to be one of the WORST teams in the league for a few more years than to be middle of the pack. I don't want the Tigers to follow the Pistons model.
The Wings/Tigers are in better positions for the future if they can continue to shed big contracts from the older players are build the foundation of the team with young gems.
Pistons don't have a model. They have an owner who has a man crush on an over paid, one dimensional center.
wish i had sock puppet accounts to upvote this AGAIN AND SO HARD
"Trust the Process"...says all Detroit Ownership
Didn't Arya vanquish you? How are you still posting? Someone call HBO and tell them to get their act together. This is bush...
Every time I post on here I get the same reply.... I'll probably have to deal with this for weeks, if not months ;)
I’m a big fan of your work and continue to mourn your loss.
I'm a big fan of spoilers in a place i didn't expect them to be. Figured it was safe to just stay away from the weekly GoT thread.
I give TV shows 24 hours after airing to avoid talking about Spoilers in non spoiler sections. After that, sucks to be you, you should've watched, found a way to watch, or just not hopped on social media/message boards.
But you're here. So the question is who was behind you pulling the strings? After all, you died and are now resurrected and posting.
i get it, for you at least this is like someone asking you, 'is winterfell still in play?'
never watched GoT, but did see the highlight of you getting done in. sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you....
Ha, with this board...probably more like forever.
You are dead so you dont have a say anymore.
And the only reason Brandon Inge wasn’t Babe Ruth was because they pitched to him like he was Ted Williams. Just ask him.
The Babe Inge
The Q to your A:. Who is the only Home Run Derby contestant to ever go homeless? (Oops--- homerless )
Haven't watched the Tigers this year, but their batting stats are a bit sad.
On the upside, they have 5-6 regulars (depending on what you consider that) with a OBP over .313, which is 120th in the MLB, (which, with 30 teams, basically makes them better than average in OBP for the top half of the batting order). But their best regular is only .367 (51st), their 3rd best regular is .330 (120), meaning the actual top third of the lineup is pretty awful. To add to that, they have some serious anchors with up to 4 regulars with an OBP less than .277 and two at .214 or below, which are easily among the worst of the regulars. In 27 games, the player with the max HR is 3, which is awful in today's game. They only have 20 HRs as a team.
All this equals a team that could have some good middle of the lineup pieces already in place, and with the replacement of some anchors could actually be pretty average overall. But they need to basically find some top of the batting order and bottom of the batting order replacements pretty badly.
There's a dearth of position players on the farm. Plenty of arms, but they haven't really hit on many bats. Clemons? Stewart? Cameron? Paredes? Meadows? We'll see.
this is precisely why i agree with the dombrowski (and now avila) draft strategy. GET ARMS. get solid young arms in the rotation. they are much cheaper.
spend the big bucks on bats. if a hitter gets injured, he can still be functional. if a pitcher gets hurt, he's toast. you get nothing.
the tigers have a lot of good arms now in the minors. hit on 3 of them, and they are looking good in a couple years on the mound.
plus, they still have some good chips to trade this year; castellanos and the ever-improving boyd.
120th?
That's better than I expected.
I would have guessed somewhere around 200th or so.
:-\
How does he compare to other catchers around the league, isn't that the real question. I don't watch baseball much anymore, but catchers by and large have always sucked at the plate.
He plays in the outfield.
oh. Assumed those were catcher stats.
Yes by all means grumble on, this thread.