OT- 50 Killed, 200 Injured in Vegas shooting
This has been declared the deadliest mass shooting in this country's history. Lets all take a moment to send prayers to those affected. If you have loved ones in Vegas I hope they are safe. There is a hotline number to call if you cant get ahold of someone youre looking for
1-866-535-5654
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:16 AM ^
Cowardice
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:26 AM ^
Hope that mother fucker gets ass raped in hell for all of eternity.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:35 AM ^
I have never been to Vegas, but when I heard the report on the radio this morning, I thought the news announcer said Vandelay Bay. I immediately thought they named the place after Art Vandelay from Seinfeld.
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October 2nd, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^
Aurora shooter literally thought he was a villian in a super-hero movie. I think you can kind of toss him aside as an outlier. Adam Lanza is a difficult nut to crack. Probably Schizophrenia mis-diagnosed as Aspergers along with big time family issues and access to guns. This guy sounds like he may have been "Leaving Las Vegas" but taking some other people with him. Reports of divorce and escalating alcoholism. It sounds as though he just snapped, probably fueled by alcohol and drugs. And access to automatic weapons and large magazines without any registration in Nevada.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
Aurora theater shooter is clearly mentally ill. "motives" therefore are something you can't really go into with any sensible rational result, in his case. The Vegas shooter - apparently - has no such history of mental illness.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:12 AM ^
..qualifies as mentally ill, there isn't always an identifiable track record.
I don't think you can even blame alcohol.....I expect this was planned for days.....~8 guns, registering at the hotel, cameras, multiple shooting platforms......this wasn't put together in a drunken fit of rage.....he thought about it for a while.
There is no sane thought process that would plan and carry out an attack like this.
I know people will be asking the question "why", but the only answer that makes sense is that "he is crazy." He may have some delusional motivation, but it isn't going to be anything that makes sense to anyone.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:23 AM ^
People seem to be fed up.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^
People want to be remembered. And when they see mass shootings happen more and more, it provides more validation (in their minds) for carrying out these atrocities.
Sadly, I believe that events like these reinforce each other and provide incentives for people to keep carrying them out. A mentally ill person sees this happen on TV and thinks that not only is it okay, but that maybe they can do it too. I think this is going to become more and more a part of our daily lives until you see a huge cultural shift in our country to address gun control and mental health issues.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:00 AM ^
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October 2nd, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
Even better than prayers, let's finally implement effective gun control laws like basically every other advanced country has.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^
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October 2nd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^
you think the only measure of whether something should be restricted is whether or not it is 100% effective in acheiving its goal? You can buy a semi-automatic weapon in Nevada with a high capacity magazine without registering as a gun owner and without any background check. That is beyond absurd. Yes, we need a culture change, and part of that change needs to be more strict and universally applied gun control measures.
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:21 PM ^
"You can buy a semi-automatic weapon in Nevada with a high capacity magazine without registering as a gun owner and without any background check."
Not from a licensed firearm dealer you can't. Every purchase of a firearm from a licensed dealer requires a background check.
Outside of the background check - what you say is true... in Nevada, and basically every other state in the USA including Michigan.
October 2nd, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 2:03 PM ^
Great solution!
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:22 PM ^
Any gun purchased from an FFL, ie your local gun shop, dicks, cabela's, etc. will have a NICS background check done.
You can buy a gun from a private seller without a requirement for a background check, but the liability to the seller is so extreme that it can only be done safely to people you intimately know. I.e. a family member or a close friend. The purpose of the exemption is so that a father can pass a gun down to his son. If you sell a gun to a stranger and he uses it to commit a crime you are going to be in deep trouble.
Also, we have a decentralized gun registry in this country. Every single transfer is recorded by FFL and they have to maintain a record of all their sales forever. The ATF can knock and ask to see them at any time. If you have seen the movie Red Dawn (80s version) one of the first thing the cuban leader does is pull the records from the local sports store and track down those people.
So long story short, if the police recover a gun they can track it to the last person who bought it from an FFL. If that person is you, you had better have reported it stolen, or have a record of who bought it from you and pray that they weren't someone who wasn't allowed to purchase the weapon in the first place. Otherwise you are going to get prosecuted for either a straw purchase or selling it to a person who couldn't have one.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^
What effective law would have stopped this guy? This guy was a nut job. People use inanimate objects to kill people. Knives, cars etc. No effective law would have stopped this guy from his objective. Guns are illegal to have in Chicago, DC(law just changed) and Baltimore. Yet people are killing each other there with guns. It's time for people to start looking at the real reason instead of trying to blame something they don't like and understand. As tragic as the Vegas shooting was, mass shootings are rare.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:54 AM ^
question to ask.
The right question to ask is - "what could be done to make this a little bit more difficult for somebody to do?"
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:00 AM ^
You know why it happens in Chicago? Because you can get up in the morning, drive to Indiana, and buy every kind of gun you could possibly want, and be back in plenty of time for lunch. This isn't rocket science.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:22 AM ^
scientist, eh? I have one question for you. How are rockets so awesome?
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:15 PM ^
Lots of fire going VERY fast, to MFING SPACE. How could they not be awesome?
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:56 PM ^
Space B_tches, Space!
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:47 PM ^
No one is arguing that black market guns don't exist in Chicago, or that they're making their way into the hands of gang members in spite of existing legislation. You're the one arguing that they're the sole way weapons are making it into the city. Which is demonstrably false.
And if you're hanging with people selling illegal pistols for $100, you might want to reevaluate your crew.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:08 PM ^
But Illinois residents aren't buying guns from FFL dealers in Indiana. They would send the gun to an FFL in Illinois.
And it is already against federal law to privately sell a gun to someone from out of state. All transfers between two people from different states have to go through an FFL in the buyer's state which in this scenario is Illinois.
So yes, it is possible that criminals in Indiana are selling guns to criminals from Illinois, but isn't that the definition of black market? No to mention that straw purchases are already illegal, you can't buy a gun for somebody else.
October 2nd, 2017 at 7:11 PM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^
You're right, you can't stop someone who is determined to kill someone from killing someone. But nutjobs with knives generally don't kill 50 people and wound 400 before they're stopped.
Gun control city-by-city doesn't work, because anyone can travel outside the city to get a gun. Gun control on a national level has been proven to work.
October 3rd, 2017 at 9:02 AM ^
And how common are these mass stabbings? As common as mass shootings in America?
If your argument is "there's no way to completely prevent all kinds of violence," then yes, I agree. But if there's one particular type of violence that has an enormous impact and happens repeatedly, then maybe we should try to address it instead of just offering sympathy every time someone shoots up a crowd.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:37 PM ^
Except columbine was carried out with assualt weapons ban compliant firearms. That and most assault weapons bans are just for cosmetic features that dont impact the function of the firearm in any significant way. What the left wants is a total ban on semi automatic centerfire rifles. Thankfully the 2A wont allow that to happen.
October 3rd, 2017 at 11:10 AM ^
I didn't say that the "assault weapons ban" was the solution. Personally, I think we need something much more significant.
You should read more about the history of the Second Amendment. It's questionable whether it even grants a private right to bear arms - it speaks about the right in the context of militias, but is silent as to a private right, and until the 1970s it was widely interpreted to lack that private right.
In addition, like any other right granted by the Bill of Rights, there are limitations. For instance, we have freedom of speech under the First Amendment, but speech that incites imminent lawless action is still prohibited. And the Second Amendment guarantees some kind of right to bear arms, but you still can't buy a Stinger missile. If common sense limits are already allowed, and the current limits are allowing horrific mass shootings all the time, then maybe common sense dictates shrinking those limits a little bit.
October 3rd, 2017 at 2:02 PM ^
And what is the militia if not the people? The founders defined the militia as the people, you can look up the quotes. Not to mention the right to keep and bear arms isn't granted to the Militia, it is granted to the people. Everywhere else in the constiution when the people is written it is interpreted to mean the citizenry of the US. If you think the verbage ... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" is silent then you haven't passed basic grammar. What is "the right of the people" in the context of the 2A? To keep and bear arms.
Now I agree there is some interpretation to be had about what constitutes arms. SCOTUS has granted clarity, that arms are defined as the common side arms of the day. So semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns, etc. are arms that the people have a right to keep and bear. A stinger missle isn't a common sidearm that a man could carry into battle and so it is regulated differently.
And up until 1986 you could buy a fully automatic m-16 from you local gun shop. So tell me again how selling fully automatic weapons to the general populace fits with your false narrative that only recently the 2A got redefined to secure an individual right...
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^
It's hard to kill 50 people from 30 floors up with a knife or a car.
Mass shootings have been increasing steadily in this country over the last 25 years and seem to be increasing in frequency and scale.
October 3rd, 2017 at 7:37 AM ^
Killed 86 people. With a VAN. Not a gun. With a CAR. 4 wheels. No bullets. No auto or semi auto gun. A moving vehicle.
Fance has strick gun control laws yet examples exist of terrorists having gun in other French terrorist attacks.
But like I said, what law would have stopped this guy when he broke many laws to begin with?
Still, no one can answer because there is no law that would have. This guy snapped. He also had bomb material. That's illegal too. Do we need more laws to be passed to stop that too only to find out people intent on hurting others will break those laws as well?
The issue again isn't about guns. It's always the same knee jerk reaction, "WE NEED MORE GUN LAWS!"
If you want to trade your freedoms away for more security, that's your right. But you will be sadly disappointed when you find out it won't work.
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:09 PM ^
but since you mention knives, cars etc.
Thats because some tools are built with a purpose.
I can run into a crowd with a hammer and start trying to kill people; but it's not the most effective tool to use. Skulls, are hard, blood makes the handle slipperry, my arm gets tired, and eventually people fight back and disarm me pretty easily.
A gun is a tool built to do 1 thing very well, it's so easy that 2 year olds can use it effectively.
The more deadly, purpose-built, and easy-to-use a device is, the more cost/regulation there should be in obtaining it.
I own several types of guns myself, I wish It had been much harder (but not necessarily impossible) to aquire them.
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
Oct. 1, 2017. Las Vegas, July 7, 2016. Dallas June 12, 2016. Orlando, Dec. 2, 2015. San Bernardino Nov. 27, 2015. Colorado Springs Oct. 1, 2015. Roseburg
July 16, 2015. Chattanooga June 17, 2015. Charleston Oct. 24, 2014. Marysville May 23, 2014. Isla Vista April 2, 2014. Killeen
Sept. 16, 2013. Washington, D.C. June 7, 2013. Santa Monica Dec. 14, 2012. Newtown Oct. 21, 2012. Brookfield Sept. 27, 2012. Minneapolis Aug. 5, 2012. Oak Creek July 20, 2012. Aurora April 2, 2012. Oakland Oct. 12, 2011. Seal Beach Jan. 8, 2011. Tucson Aug. 3, 2010. Manchester Feb. 12, 2010. Huntsville Nov. 5, 2009. Killeen April 3, 2009. Binghamton Feb. 14, 2008. DeKalb Dec. 5, 2007. Omaha April 16, 2007. Blacksburg
Hardly call them rare.
October 3rd, 2017 at 7:43 AM ^
It is rare.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^
Nothing will change from this.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:12 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:19 AM ^
is that they're going to start searching our luggage when we check into hotels.