PopeLando

December 8th, 2023 at 10:22 PM ^

My conspiracy theory is that Engler left to try (successfully I guess) to prevent an embezzlement investigation.

That man has a TALENT for enriching himself and his cronies at the expense of whatever institution he’s in charge of. There is a 0% chance he DIDN’T rob MSU blind

Kewl

December 8th, 2023 at 9:27 PM ^

I actually don’t want MSU to be a dumpster fire,

I don’t want them to be good at football, but certainly do not want them to be embarrassing. 

I do come from the state of Michigan.  I like a good leader who came from a smarter school (I do have a degree from unc, I am a Michigan grad too)

To sum up, I want State to be bad at sports, but with good academic leadership where kids aren’t stupid helmet swinging jerks and the coach isn’t a jerkoff.   And also no bad touching.  For the good of the state of Michigan.  And the children. 

Eleven Year Wo…

December 8th, 2023 at 9:39 PM ^

As a Michigan native (living in Ohio) with many Sparty Alums among my friends and family, I also want to see MSU thrive as an academic institution. Unlike sports, academic reputation is not a zero sum game. 

That, being said I tend to root for MSU teams whenever they are not competing against Michigan (Except when coached by Dantonio).

FauxMo

December 9th, 2023 at 12:45 AM ^

Well, as a person who worked on faculty at UM for almost ten years, then transitioned to MSU faculty for the last 7 years, I can assure you that 1) we are dying for some stable governance, 2) our BoT is a nightmare, and everyone knows it and 3) we don’t hit our students (undergrad or PhD) with helmets whenever possible ;-)

WolveJD

December 8th, 2023 at 9:47 PM ^

One of my kids will inevitably end up at Michigan State.  

I would like for it to not be a complete tire fire when he or she gets there, if only to get some yield of my tuition dollars.

So yay good hire!  

Rendezvous

December 8th, 2023 at 9:52 PM ^

Board meeting and vote was first thing this morning, and he was their only finalist, so this news dropped long before 'late Friday'. Wishing Guskiewicz well, as he has a difficult road ahead of him with a dysfunctional board and a university with extensive PR baggage. As others have also noted, I want MSU to be a great university with lousy sports teams.

MGlobules

December 9th, 2023 at 2:45 AM ^

Sixth president in six years is a remarkable feat. Some of that school's struggles on the financial and academic date to the severe requirement to retrench after 2008; that's when the two schools' paths really started to diverge. Coming from a Michigan family with multiple members in both schools over three-quarters of a century, I also hope for better for MSU. Sports is just a piece of it, but a very public piece. When Izzo moves on, which should be soon, we will have a chance to dial down the antagonism; I hope that happens.

PopeLando

December 8th, 2023 at 10:24 PM ^

The thing about MSU is that the undergraduate school and the graduate school are like two entirely different worlds.

MSU is a world class grad university for certain things. I hate that the dumpster fire of the BoT negatively affects the students 

Hotel Putingrad

December 8th, 2023 at 11:28 PM ^

So a guy that's been at UNC for 28 years, rising all the way to chancellor, suddenly decided things are getting a bit too squirrelly and thinks to himself, "where can I go for some peace and quiet before riding off into the sunset? Oh yeah, Michigan State!"

Ray

December 8th, 2023 at 11:45 PM ^

North Carolina is a great school, and MSU has punched up on this hire.  

That said, given the dumpster fire they are, remains to be seen whether they can keep him.  I suspect this is one instance where institutional name recognition + money might be greater than the upside for the new president.  

Leaders And Best

December 8th, 2023 at 11:56 PM ^

It might be a great school, but it has problems at the governance level. The Board of Governors are appointed by the state legislature. This has led to the politicization of the board and university governance. I don't care how good the school might be, but that is going to lead to a job full of headaches for a president to navigate.

Here are just a couple examples:

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article281090148.html

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article260820252.html

Ray

December 9th, 2023 at 12:17 AM ^

Fair—totally.  The articles are paywalled, but I get that things aren’t as good as NC’s reputation would suggest.  

But he’s going from a place with a repetitional credit score of 770 to one with an actual score of 490.  (Just spitballing here).  I think he’ll find State a difficult place to reform.  

VictorValiant

December 8th, 2023 at 11:55 PM ^

This is a great hire - I've met him and got to spend time with him on a couple of occasions. Really surprised State was able to lure him in. State is finally making some wise decisions.

Mpfnfu Ford

December 9th, 2023 at 1:59 AM ^

NC legislature has basically made the position of chancellor at UNC impossible ever since the Silent Sam statue got taken down. He basically ran screaming for the first decent job he could find.

cheesheadwolverine

December 9th, 2023 at 11:23 AM ^

Yeah, UNC is (was?) up there with Michigan as the most prestigious public school that isn't Berkeley in the country.  If their chancellor is taking a lateral move to MSU it's a measure of how absolutely poisonous politicians there have made things.

Edit: their last chancellor resigned without even lining up a new job over the Silent Sam stuff.  What a clusterfuck.

HermosaBlue

December 9th, 2023 at 7:17 PM ^

NC resident here...North Carolina Governor Cooper tweeted 2 days ago and yesterday about the toxic political environment of the UNC Board of Governors (Regents equivalent) chasing away the Chancellor.

I guess the Chancellor's downward move from UNC to MSU is the other shoe dropping.

EDIT: I see I'm not the first to comment on this from the UNC angle.