Michigan stays at #3 in CFP
November 23rd, 2022 at 6:20 AM ^
Actual footage of the Crimson Tide in the snow:
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:12 PM ^
Like LSU at #5, not because it's the right place for LSU, but because it helps UM make the CFP even if UM loses a close one to OSU.
LSU already has 2 losses. LSU will play Georgia in the SEC champ game. LSU will finish the season with 3 losses. NO TEAM WITH 3 LOSSES IS GETTING INTO THE CFP.
Then all UM needs to guarantee a slot in the CFP is for USC to take a loss. USC must play red-hot Notre Dame this weekend, then Oregon in the pac12 champ game.
#GoBlue
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:26 PM ^
Wouldn't put it past the committee to put Alabama in if M, LSU and USC all happen to lose.
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:41 PM ^
Downvoted not because I think you're wrong.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:20 PM ^
Alabama would not have a good win unlike UM which destroyed PSU, unless they lose really bad against OSU.
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:14 PM ^
I’m pulling for ND this Saturday. Would love to see USC and their zero defense strategy get ousted from this talk.
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:10 PM ^
The best thing, we know our outcome before any of the others play. We win, hope Usc and Tcu keep winning. Keeping out OSU is good/funny. If we lose but competitive, then we need 2 of 3 to lose, USC/TCU/LSU. Clemson is not making it. They failed eye test.
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:18 PM ^
Hopefully if/when USC beats Notre Dame they will finally jump LSU.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:20 PM ^
Fuck USC
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:51 PM ^
Okay. But a 1 loss power 5 conference champion, especially with several ranked wins and a close ranked road loss, should get in over a 2-loss team with home losses, including one in which they were smoked.
If USC loses then they’re out. But I don’t enjoy two SEC teams.
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:20 PM ^
I don't give a shit about two SEC teams either. I am looking out for UM's interest. USC losing again is good for UM.
November 22nd, 2022 at 11:18 PM ^
Uh, okay. But if LSU beats UGA then 1-loss Michigan isn’t getting in. So while I am also rooting for Michigan to make the playoffs, as a college football fan, I don’t like USC being ranked below LSU at present and will be even more irritated with LSU ranked ahead of USC if USC beats Notre Dame.
But since your comments aren’t about my comment and are actually about getting Michigan in the CFP, let’s add in a “fuck LSU” and a “fuck TCU” and a “fuck Clemson” just to be safe and a “fuck Ohio State” for good measure.
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:21 PM ^
SEC bias once again. LSU beating Bama puts them in the top 5 over a 1 loss USC who also has a top 15 team win? It's honestly insane.
Also I'm not surprised but I don't think Tennessee should be in the top 10, they got beat convincingly by Georgia and the score looked better than the actual game and they got absolutely demolished by a middling South Carolina team.
PSU gets punished for losing big to Michigan and losing close to OSU, 2 top 3 teams, yet Tennessee once again has "better" loses because it's the SEC I guess.
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:44 PM ^
Not to mention their qb is toast for the season. They're only propping Tennessee up to prop up the sec as a whole.
November 22nd, 2022 at 11:58 PM ^
This is the biggest omission from the committee. The chairman noted (correctly) that PSU does not have a signature win and Tennessee does. But the flaw in that statement is that Tennessee's win came with Hooker starting and playing extremely well.
Hooker is out for the season now. Tennessee is now a shell of what they were. Tough break, but as old time Michigan fans will tell you, ##it happens....
Yet keep harping (again correctly) about Michigan non conference schedule. Yet now Michigan has a high quality win over PSU (a thrashing no less)
Just spinning whatever narrative they want pending whatever circumstances
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:45 PM ^
Agreed. But it's not important unless you think LSU with a win over Georgia STILL shouldn't be over a USC team that wins out.
Other than that, you all are arguing 1-2 slots for teams who can't get in. And in the scenario that I just mentioned, #6 LSU would likely jump #5 USC with a win over #1 Georgia...so again, unless you think that's bullshit, it doesn't matter.
At this point, a quality win is a quality win. Who gives a shit if Penn St. is #10 or #11...it doesn't help Michigan or OSU any more by them being a spot ahead of Tennessee.
It's also not helping LSU that much more by Bama being #8 rather than let's say, #12. Beating the #12 team is still a quality win.
So all of this complaining really means nothing.
I get the whole "propping up" argument, it's real. It just so happens that this year, it doesn't really matter (again, unless you believe USC should ahead of LSU regardless of what LSU does against UGA).
Even other scenarios like if you think LSU (with a win over UGA) should still be below a 11-1 OSU or 12-1 TCU. If that's how you feel, that's fair. But again...Bama being #12 (rather than #8) isn't the reason the committee would take 11-1 OSU or a 1-loss TCU.
Week after week people complain about teams with no shot and the argument is a handful of spots.
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:35 PM ^
So, Michigan and Ohio State will meet in what amounts to a playoff matchup on Saturday. And neither victory or defeat will improve their standing nor decide anything more than the Big Ten East division and advancement to the conference championship a week later.
Two undefeated teams risk everything in their annual rivalry while the rest of college football looks on unwilling to claim that winning means anything more to the playoff picture than survive and advance. Well, Ohio State might have an argument getting in with a loss because of an opening night win over Notre Dame at home. Suddenly ND is a trump card in the CFP, win or lose.
If Michigan loses, it must hope that USC loses this week or next against Notre Dame in their annual clash or.against Oregon. USC is already a 1-loss team but is deemed to have played a stronger schedule than Michigan, at least that is the contention.
Such is the case with TCU even though it has beaten nobody with fewer than four losses. Still their schedule is rated better than Michigan's because it dropped a matchup with UCLA which nearly outlasted USC last Saturday in a 48-45 shootout.
I've had enough debate with Horned Frog fans to understand they think Michigan has played nobody and has only won 23 games over the past two years playing "trash" teams. They think the Big Ten sucks. Which apparently is also the thinking among the ESPN crew that brings us the weekly college football rankings and who favor the Buckeyes Saturday and think they ought to be considered a playoff entrant regardless of outcome.
Michigan's SOS is the reason they don't deserve a shot at redemption if they lose. But who knows because there's still more games to be played. I just don't see how you eliminate a 1-loss team playing essentially a play-in playoff contest as part of its regular schedule in the biggest rivalry game in college football. But then I'm biased. There I said it. GO BLUE!
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:45 PM ^
After you get past UM, OSU and PSU the Big Ten looks to be a pile of garbage this year. I usually go to bat hard for the Big Ten but it's a down year for the Big Ten.
November 23rd, 2022 at 3:34 AM ^
Is it bad compared to other conferences, though?
The ACC is very weak. Big12's #2 is currently 8-3 Kansas State; #3 is Texas (which is sometimes hoooooorible), and it gets worse from there. Pac12's #6 and lower is Washington State, Cal, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado (woof), Stanford.
I'm not sure the Big 10 is worse than any but the SEC. Even there, you have Georgia, Tenn, LSU, Alabama, which are good (but Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State are at least in the ballpark). But then Kentucky, Florida, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Miss State, Arkansas, Auburn, and Texas A&M. Are those better than our group outside of Michigan, anOSU, PSU?
November 23rd, 2022 at 12:19 PM ^
Right. And TCU can’t afford a loss and USC and Clemson can only afford their one loss (maybe!) because they would be a 1-loss champ. Clemson is really in trouble.
OSU can apparently afford 1 loss because they beat Notre Dame.
So, yeah, all the conferences outside the SEC are considered full of garbage.
November 22nd, 2022 at 8:52 PM ^
Does the committee prop up SEC teams? Yes.
Does it matter? No.
It only matters if you're going to put Bama at like #20 and Tennessee at like #22.
If those are your rankings...you're crazy, but okay, yes, it matters.
But if you're complaining about Bama and Tennessee and then you'd put them #12 and #14...you didn't do anything to impact the CFP rankings. You just made yourself feel better.
Beating the #12 team rather than beating the #8 team isn't going to hurt anybody.
If PSU was #9, it does nothing for Michigan and OSU. If PSU was #13...it does nothing for Michigan and OSU. They still both have a quality win against a 9-2 conference opponent.
It's the same thing with Tennessee and Bama. You have to push them down into the high teens for it to actually matter. A quality win is a quality win. 3 or 4 slots in the rankings isn't enough to change that.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:17 PM ^
Reading SEC people dogging our OOC schedule is really starting to bug me. I can already hear the two loss Bama over one loss Michigan rationale forming.
Nobody ever talks about the SEC only playing 8 conference games when it comes to this discussion. Seems relevant to me. Hmmm.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:30 PM ^
But, Bama just shut out Austin Peay last weekend.
Though Michigan’s OOC wasn’t the most challenging. Michigan did not play any FCS teams.
Those FCS games are never mentioned, nor is the 8 game Conference schedule.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:42 PM ^
Check out Alabama's OOC schedule
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:29 PM ^
The SEC bias is why I want an expanded playoff. Michigan will more than likely be in the top 8-12 going forward, but it’s so hard to make a top 4, especially when the SEC gets so much favoritism.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:33 PM ^
This actually sets it up for the loser of The Game to get in.
If one of USC or TCU loses there is a good possibility a 1 loss Big Ten team fills the final spot.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:42 PM ^
Yep. Even without that there may be a possibility, but you know the committee will pull conference championship victory when it is convenient to them. I thought committee comprises of many conference representatives. Yet SEC is favored.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:38 PM ^
Assuming USC loses another and LSU doesn't beat Georgia this feels like a case where the loser of UM/OSU might still be able to slip in to the playoffs. Clemson is the wildcard but I do get a sense that the voters have seen enough of them to know they couldn't hang with any of the top 5/6 teams for more than a half.
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:17 PM ^
Saturday’s game outcome obviously matters. But for the CFP, how the game plays out is important. If Michigan or OSU get blown out, hard to fight you still deserve a spot in CFP. Lose in a great game, both have solid argument with a TCU or USC upset. As a Michigan fan, I do think if those 2 win out, they deserve spot over UM/OSU loser.Pac12 is solid this year (they don’t play D, but 5-6 decent squads). Plus, ND W. Only loss at Utah by a 2 point try, I’ll live with it. Likely right call. Tcu undefeated, nothing else you need to say.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:40 PM ^
Just FYI, Twitter is saying we're going all white uniforms on Saturday. I like blue or maize pants with the white top myself but whatever.
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:51 PM ^
That stinks. I hate the all whites, and we never win a big game in them.
November 23rd, 2022 at 12:46 AM ^
We have never beaten Ohio State in all whites. Do not want.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:41 PM ^
If we happen to lose by even a single point ESPN will drop us off a ledge because of our piece of shit OOC schedule, and I’ll do my best to not say ‘told ya so’.
now please schedule decent OOC home and home series.
TIA
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:01 PM ^
Next year's OOC is just as weak. Then shit gets real in '24(Texas) and '25(Oklahoma).
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:26 PM ^
This argument is dumb. Talking heads who play up a ND W from weeks ago when they sucked. Regardless, the thing I hear nobody talk about is OSU being at home. Losing big games at home matter more, and should penalize you more. Plus, Michigan played Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska. Overall better crossover games than Iowa, Wisconsin and NW. Nobody wants to talk about that. Plus, you lose on road, you should be penalized less. What is the best road win this year? All of CFB. OSU at PSU? Washington at Oregon? Tennessee at LSU? Winning on road is hard.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:43 PM ^
Watch Bama sneak into the playoffs.
Already #7, USC loses either to ND or in their CCG, LSU loses their CCG, TCU loses their CCG, and OSU ;-) loses this weekend....
They'll put Bama in there.
November 22nd, 2022 at 9:44 PM ^
UM or OSU is in with a USC or TCU loss and UGA holding serve.
Would much rather be a 2 seed than a 4, but it’s setting up well for B1G to get both in.
SEC/ESPN will shill for Bama, but if ever they wouldn’t get the benefit of the doubt, it would be this year.
Would suck for both USC and TVu to lose. Then what?
SEC vs SEC semifinal
and
B1G vs B1G semifinal
or do they purposefully put Bama at 3 to split the conferences in the semis?
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:16 PM ^
The Committee loves southern belles, and has from the start. This is no surprise…
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:19 PM ^
What exactly is the criteria? Best four teams? If so, is that “all season”, or right now? The best “body of work”?
Conference Champions are considered, but not required?
Margin of victory is not taken into consideration - if a “darling (SEC team, like TN)” gets smoked?
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:51 PM ^
LSU will lose to Georgia, USC will lose to ND, USC will beat Clemson…. Three undefeated teams and a 1 loss team in the playoffs!! The loser of The Game will be in!!!
November 23rd, 2022 at 3:37 AM ^
I like the cut of your jib! :)
November 22nd, 2022 at 10:52 PM ^
SEC going to tell UGA to take a knee in the championship game like they did last year.