Michigan State Snowflakes: The Offense
October 31st, 2020 at 3:46 PM ^
None.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:46 PM ^
The only difference between Gattis’s O and the previous ones under Harbaugh is that they are in shotgun 99 percent of the time. Harbaugh needs to let it go
October 31st, 2020 at 4:11 PM ^
Annoys me to no end. Did they try to run power even once? Put Mason in and give it Charbonnet off-guard?
October 31st, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^
Charbonnet has no burst once he stops his feet, which is going to happen a lot behind this line. He has a real nice jump cut in his arsenal but he cant excel threw it. There’s really no need for this communist backfield Haskins and Corum should be the guys
October 31st, 2020 at 6:54 PM ^
That wasn’t really the point. I don’t care if it's 24 or 25 or 18 or 9 or 2. Just attempt to run power and see if you can get some movement instead of getting punished running zone.
October 31st, 2020 at 8:39 PM ^
The "communist" backfield rotation has got to be frustrating for the guys in that rotation. Charbonnet, Haskins, Corum, Evans get in for a play or two and then don't see the field for a few series. They come in for another couple plays a few series later. How does a back get any rhythm or any confidence when he's only getting half a dozen touches a game?
On top of it, I am pretty sure that, as the season wears on, the tendencies on each of the backs gets better defined and it makes it easier to defend.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^
Let it be known that it took two "unexpected error" screens just to get the Snowflake Threads up, so I am expecting some world-class vitriol.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^
Did you hear espn had us going 4-4?
October 31st, 2020 at 3:48 PM ^
I think if Gattis buries a running back right into an 8 or 9 man box again I'm going to have to stop watching Michigan football for a while.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:54 PM ^
I refuse to believe it's Gattis. OCs keep coming and going, but we keep doing the same things on offense and making the same dumb calls. Harbaugh is the one that keep fucking with the offense and forcing them to "manball" shit.
November 1st, 2020 at 6:15 AM ^
Same here. Bill Maher does that bit called "I Don't Know It for a Fact ... I Just Know It's True." This falls under that category.
Will somebody buy Jimmy a calendar and show him that it's not 1985 any more?
October 31st, 2020 at 4:52 PM ^
Was justice Hayes out there running the ball. It sure felt like it
November 1st, 2020 at 10:31 AM ^
This 1000%. I have been saying this for years...We continue to do the same dumb shit on offense year in and out and we have had 3 OC's.
The problem is and has always been Jim Harbaugh. When we continue to make the same mistakes year in and year out and we keep changing the offensive coaches...News Flash, its the Head Coach that's the problem.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
Last week was an aberration. This offense has no adaptive play calling; it attempts to stick a square peg in a round hole. It just so happens to be that Minnesota was a square hole.
Getting Milton to throw short and not do too much last week was less about getting him acclimated and more about the fact that Milton cannot complete a pass more than 10 yards down field. He is like trying to pour someone a shot out of a fire hydrant.
The one drive we looked competent we stalled out because we decided to run wildcat while we were clicking offensively. Lucky that dumb shit wasn’t intercepted. We had to set it up with 2 plays just to make that attempted throw plausible. Terrible idea.
Overall, this game sucked, we sucked and now I have zero hope for anything this year or beyond.
Probably done watching this year, as I have too much stress in my life from 2020. See y’all next season, maybe.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
Effectively 17 pts on a bad defense. Milton was not calm at all. O line was bad. Bench All. That was just brutal all around.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^
Milton is Shane Morris 2.0
October 31st, 2020 at 4:35 PM ^
More like a poor man's Devin Gardner. Milton made his share of plays today, but got little help from his line or receivers.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^
Last week Joe played like he had a year of starting under his belt. Today, in the State Championship, shit got real.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:33 PM ^
If that wildcat pass is complete, we have 4 more points and win .
October 31st, 2020 at 4:41 PM ^
I hated that call on third down. Run it on second and 5, easy TD.
October 31st, 2020 at 5:55 PM ^
Milton rushed for 5 yards on 1st down. If they don't pull him and light 2nd and 5 from the 6 on fire with a wildcat playcall that was destined to fail, and then call wildcat again on 3rd and 4 with a playcall MSU was prepared for and should have picked off, they probably score a TD there easy and have 4 extra points and win.
Corum scored pretty easy the last time they were down there. Why not run a fake off that play and do a sweep to Giles or Ronan or someone?
Or just let your DE sized QB keep plowing foward behind Mason for 2-3 more attempts?
October 31st, 2020 at 4:45 PM ^
how many open receivers did you see 10 yards downfield? almost zero. the second half play calling was horrible. it reminded me a bit of the terry malone offense where all the receivers run 5-7 yard routes.
someone should be going deep every damn play. that's how you spread out the D.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:54 PM ^
Yeah, it felt like there were wrs ten yards deep and five feet away from each other all game.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:55 PM ^
Especially on 3rd & long!
October 31st, 2020 at 5:18 PM ^
Go back and rewatch the game. There were multiple WRs open downfield. Milton just can't hit them.
October 31st, 2020 at 7:03 PM ^
More on Milton: when he got pressure or something went awry he reverted back to this “star qb in higschool like play” where he thought he could just out run anyone on defense or force the ball into tiny windows. His lizard brain started to take over and he came crashing back to earth. When things were humming against Minn he looked unstoppable, today once some passes got dropped and some blitzes got home he looked like he did his first 2 years on campus
October 31st, 2020 at 11:17 PM ^
Yeah, I guess I am struggling to understand the All love. If he is to be our next great TE, I expect him to catch most of the balls that hit him right in the hands.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
How do you go on a 20 play drive when you need 10 points with 6 minutes left?
October 31st, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
This has happened MULTIPLE times under Harbaugh, and is probably the biggest reason I'm ok with moving on
That is such a basic aspect of the game and if he can't even be competent at it, let alone master it, he shouldn't be here
October 31st, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
What the fuck was that last drive? 5 minutes left and we dink and dunk to 1 minute left. Throw the fucking ball down the field. I’d rather have Milton overthrow than not even having a fucking chance of winning the game.
The only reason I’m not on the “Fire Harbaugh” train is who the fuck else are we gonna get. Recruiting is going to take a hit after this shit show. Fuck
October 31st, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^
"Who else are we going to get"?
You go out and take a fucking chance on an up-and-comer. Programs who play scared will become Iowa or Virginia Tech.
October 31st, 2020 at 6:08 PM ^
Va Tech literally hired an up-and-comer and they're still mediocre
October 31st, 2020 at 8:11 PM ^
I've been on the "who else are we going to get?" train for a while, but now... this is inexcusable. We have to move on.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:32 PM ^
Everyone always says who are you going to get ,but they beat us with Mel Tucker !!!!! When he had to time to recruit or practice with his team!!!! Yeah recruit are gonna bail! Once again msu is full of 3stars ( to our 4stars)and they beats us today!
October 31st, 2020 at 4:51 PM ^
didn't mel tucker lose to rutgers last week?
October 31st, 2020 at 6:45 PM ^
TOM ALLEN
November 1st, 2020 at 10:07 AM ^
TIM ALLEN
October 31st, 2020 at 11:30 PM ^
Im so sick of the "Who else do we hire that is better than Harbaugh" crowd
All the top teams hired coaches that werent sure things. Saban, Swinney, Lincoln Riley, Day, etc. None of these guys were coaching legends before they took over their programs
You find coordinators who have shown they can be successful leading their unit and you take a shot
November 1st, 2020 at 10:30 AM ^
And you get out of their fucking way.
November 2nd, 2020 at 10:06 PM ^
Saban had a national title at LSU, so that logic makes no fucking sense
October 31st, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
There's never any sort of plan on offense. Something works, and then they ignore it. Haskins was great on that one drive they inexplicably put him in at the Wildcat at the end (those 4 points would have come in handy at the end), and then never went back to him. Finished with 8 carries for 56 yards.
For the 6th year in a row they have no identity on offense. OCs come and go, but the one thing that's always stayed consistent is Harbaugh's meddling in it.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:02 PM ^
Forgive the obvious comment, but in retrospect it was ludicrous that collectively we were over the top with optimism about the season, Milton, and the offense after last week, especially in the f-ed up year of 2020. And to sneak a defense comment in this thread, no sacks against that offensive line?
October 31st, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
That win over Minnesota gave me all kinds of Mississippi State over LSU and Spencer Rattler week 1 vibes.
The fact Minnesota couldn't figure out how to attack Michigan's CBs and their defense looked completely lost were big, big clues fans and the rest of the CFB media should have pumped the breaks on the hype train.
October 31st, 2020 at 10:26 PM ^
No. Our defense works if we can pressure the QB consistently. If you can't, then they can and should attack our corners on deep throws. If refs are calling it tight, then we will lose.
November 1st, 2020 at 1:35 AM ^
So essentially our defense is legit against teams who are less talented (usually) and gets exposed against solid O lines and QB’s who can diagnose a blitz or when we aren’t allowed to toe the line on pass interference every time the ball goes in the air. Don Brown is a genius!
October 31st, 2020 at 4:33 PM ^
Haskins looked great. And of course we don't see him again.
Even Brady Quinn was able to see that.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
The only difference between Gattis’s O and the previous ones under Harbaugh is that they are in shotgun 99 percent of the time. Harbaugh needs to let it go
October 31st, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
Double post because fuck me.
I need a puppy and a drink.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
I don't think the result would've been any different if we still had Shea. Charb had...3 yards of rushing.
Maybe we needed this to put a spark on this team. I don't mind Joe Milton, it just seems like he needs a bit of fire and energy. He lead us in rushing but looked SO slow and not confident.
October 31st, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
Went out of their way to not give the ball to Corum and Henning in space. When they got the ball and were able to get to the edge, they got yards. And then they completely abandoned it for almost the entire second half. Why are they having the speed back run up the middle? Who cares about getting recruits who are fast if Harbaugh’s stubbornness doesn’t let the offense take advantage of them? Beyond pathetic. Fire Harbaugh. Make Gattis interim. Maybe then they’ll start doing plays that work over plays that don’t.