Let's Go Red Wings?

I think anyone can call it a dump--it is one of the grimiest facilities in pro sports and lacks the historic charm of other similarly 'dumpy' places and they are replacing it next season. 

When did Barry Melrose move to NBC?

...it's a dump, and a glorious one. I'm not taking it personally.

you were from Detroit. 

Ha - I couldn't agree more. I've been to almost half of the other NHL areas, and after the Islanders left the Nassau Coliseum, we officially have the worst arena in the league. The Honda Center hasn't exactly aged well, but I don't think I've ever sat in a seat at the Joe in the last 5 years that wasn't broken or falling apart in some capacity. Don't get me wrong - I love being there and the memories are amazing. The atmosphere is great. The structure itself though, well it really is time to move on. LGRW!

A dump's a dump's a dump. And the Joe is a dump.

In many cases, yes.  But the playoff streak is so long now, the suggestion you made is sacrilege.

but that absolutely need to doa full rebuild. The playoff streak is now an albatross that deludes the management and some fans that this team can compete for a Cup when it couldn't be further from the truth.  Making another first round playoff exit does nothing for this team going forward.  They need to become sellers ASAP though I doubt Holland will have the guts to do it.

Somehow, you could really feel that watching it on TV. It just seemed like a game they were going to score a lot of goals despite the early deficit. Crazy.

....you would've thought he wasn't gonna leave Tampa Bay until they had won two cups. But if they keep tanking this year we might actually have a chance to bring the captain back.

Holland refused to move elsewhere in the organization and allow Stevie Y to assume the GM role, hence his move to TB.  I don't see Illitch moving Holland now after all these years.

Holland is a stubborn.......errrrrrr.......patient.....guy. I think he will stand pat and stick with his, "I like my team" and "getting Kronwall back from injury is like a blockbuster trade" lines. Only if they are clearly out of the playoffs would he look to move guys like Vanek, Tatar and Green. I almost wish they could keep Vanek because I think they could actually resign him for a reasonable 3-year deal this summer. Maybe they could trade him as a rental and still resign him this summer.

I mean I guess the past few seasons haven't been full of big deals, but Ken Holland tried his damndest to get Stamkos here by trading away Datsyuk's contract. If you go back to our last cup run, he signed Brad Stewart. He also assembled the GOAT hockey team in 2002. Sure his moves in the cap era have been questionable sometimes (Legwand trade), but he's made pretty big deals in his career.

You mean like those albatross contracts JV and Miggy have?

/s

The Tigers have one big issue.  Their biggest trade assets (Miggy, JV) are in their 30's and have huge contracts.  It's hard to get a lot of value back now.  In hindsight, they would've been better off trading Miggy, JV and Max when they hired Ausmus.  We lost Max for nothing, still have Miggy and JV's contracts and we have one WC loss to show for it.   I think this team can compete for a playoff spot, but I don't have faith as long as Ausmus is still the manager.  He blew in that WC series and has shown little improvement since.  So you might as well stockpile some talent until a good manager is hired.

SVG has done a decent job on the trade market.  He was really active initially, but I think he wants to see what this team can do before the trade deadline, now that they're healthy (I think KCP is back).

Red Wings have little in terms of assets to trade.  The young guys should be safe, but Zetterberg won't net you much based on his age and declining skillset.  Vanek and Nielsen might get you pieces, but I wouldn't deal them unless they get a top-6 defenseman in return.  If they can get a top 6-Dman, who's excellent on the PP, I'd pull the trigger.  That may be enough to sneak them into the playoffs.