Kneel formation fake play

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In last night's Purdue vs Arizona game, the Boilermakers had the ball in their territory with ~1 minute until halftime and a 14-point lead.  They lined up in a "safe" formation, typically used for kneeling the ball and running out the clock.  They then ran a fake, advancing well into Arizona territory on a play where most of the defense stood still at the snap.

Is this a saavy move by an up-and-coming coach that shows you never stop competing, as the media suggested?  Or has he compromised the integrity of a mutual concession to run out the clock?  Having seen it, I would have no problem with any DL blowing up Purdue's OL on an actual kneel.   

Maybe someone would be kind enough to embed a video for me.  

Darker Blue

December 28th, 2017 at 9:15 AM ^

I've always wondered why more teams don't try something like this. 

It was a brilliant playcall. Its all about winning and that play helped Purdue win.

Anyone saying it was a "busch league" move, does not know how to win. 

Blue in Paradise

December 28th, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^

"bush" league. 

And no, this is not a "do something to win" play - it is B.S. Purdue was takinig advantage of the fact that the defense cannot tackle the QB on this play without a personal foul and possible ejection.  That is different than a "fake spike" in which the QB can be hit if he takes too long to spike.

Either there should be a rule against this, or it should be ok for a defensive player to come and try to tackle the QB before he gets his knee down.  So they would only get flagged if there was more than one step before contacting the QB.

 

ska4punkkid

December 28th, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^

ok...so in LSA's mind you should be penalized if you don't run the play that it looks like you're going to run. No fake FG's, punts, fake spikes/kneels. Oh and also play action should be disallowed because you're tricking the defense and faking a run oh my! ok...

Wolverinefan84

December 28th, 2017 at 9:16 AM ^

If you're a defense and you have to expect that crap, they're just going to start diving into OL's knees. And that would be completely fair because if you have to expect a football play advancing the ball, they're making a football play trying to stop it.

ska4punkkid

December 28th, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^

holy hell! Diving into the olines knees is NOT a football play! and never, ever, ever has any defense done that except as a last desperation swipe as the ball is snapped or just out of pure frustration at the end of the game. 

If any D-lineman were to dive at olines knees on any regular play they would instantly take themselves out of the play and open huge running lanes for the qb/rb!

The Granddaddy

December 28th, 2017 at 9:20 AM ^

It's a shit play.  Rich Rod had a postgame video explaining that the refs always tell the defense not to rush on an upcoming kneeldown -- just to respect the game and the play and the like and not make it an issue with rushing. Said they did this here, and Arizona complied as usual --

MgoHillbilly

December 28th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^

Maybe it's more relevant whether Purdue heard the refs interject.  Seems unfair to penalize Purdue if they were actually looking to break off a play for yardage that would put them in range to score.  If they were told by the refs too, then I agree a flag would be appropriate.  Then it'd be Brohm's place to tell the refs to mind their own business and not dictate plays.

lhglrkwg

December 28th, 2017 at 9:20 AM ^

On a kneel down, the offense is typically expecting the courtesy of the opposing defense not pursuing like it's a real play. The OL get a gentle shove and the back 7 typically stand there. Purdue is more than welcome to pull that play, but now watch them get pissy next time they go for a kneel down and the opposing defense pursues like it's an actual play - or worse, their QB gets lit up.

Indiana Blue

December 28th, 2017 at 9:21 AM ^

gotta admit that when I was watching last night I thought it was a great call, but after reading ACTUAL FOOTBALL stuff on the blog (YAY) ... I must admit that the ref's should have called purdue for a penalty.  Had the defense actually been aggressive, they would have been called for an unsportsmanlike penalty.  It was a BS call by purdue's coaches.   This needs to be addressed by the NCAA rules committee

Go Blue!

 

coldnjl

December 28th, 2017 at 9:46 AM ^

What penalty would have been called? It was a legal play. Whether it falls within the relm of gameship is the proper arena for this discussion, but this idea that some mysterious flag should have come out is absurd. 

BucksSuck

December 28th, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^

I have wondered why this wasn’t tried well before now. However I bet the next time they line up to take a knee the defense is ready. There better not be any whinin and cryin if an offensive linemen gets blown up.

LSA91

December 28th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

First, Brohm ran this play last year at Western Kentucky, so opposing teams should probably prepare for it. (They certainly should now).

Second, if teams aren't going to get called on running it, then refs should stop telling defenders to take it easy on kneel downs.

PapabearBlue

December 28th, 2017 at 9:33 AM ^

RR stated the refs told the D to back off, as the always do during a kneel down. You obviously can't have both of those things at once.

This NEEDS to be addressed. Maybe get rid of the "kneel down" or "spike" and just tell the refs "kneel" or "spike".

If you line up to play, be ready to play.

PapabearBlue

December 28th, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^

just have someone watch a couple hundred "spikes" and find an average time from the time the ball is placed until the time the ball is spiked. Add it in as a runoff.

-or- don't tell the players to back off.

If the refs are going to be involved they need to do it the right way.

PapabearBlue

December 28th, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^

just have someone watch a couple hundred "spikes" and find an average time from the time the ball is placed until the time the ball is spiked. Add it in as a runoff.

-or- don't tell the players to back off.

If the refs are going to be involved they need to do it the right way.