Human Torpedo

January 18th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^

Normal people outside of the Big Ten may not view it as a rivalry anymore. Inside Woody Hayes Athletic Complex however, it's like a World War II bunker that week thanks to Meyer's preparation and frankly Jim Harbaugh doesn't come close to even half matching that intensity

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erald01

January 18th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^

OSU has one rival which is Michigan so YES it is still a rivalry for them. If they want to ignore it well then it is on them.
Michigan on the other side has 3 main rivals so we have our hands full.

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Bucknutz36

January 19th, 2018 at 7:50 AM ^

I hate you guys as much as ever, and see you as a rival. I say that out of respect, if that makes sense? Don’t take too much from this, this was said by a 17 year old recruit who isn’t from Ohio or Michigan, and who has yet to play in a college game. There is no they, OSU fans still see you as our biggest rivals, this was one comment from a kid.

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UM Fan from Sydney

January 18th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^

Who the fuck cares about a teenager's opinion about the rivalry? The kid is obviously a douche bag and trying to stir the pot. Fuck him.

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Lloyd's Boy

January 18th, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^

If our team is relying on this as bulletin board material or motivation in anyway, then we deserve to lose. There was a time when a Michigan team that was 8-3 would have every reason to expect to be able to beat an OSU team with a better record. Those days are gone. Talent has something to do with it, but let's face it... we have consistently been out coached. The biggest swing in the rivalry has been on the sidelines.

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The Krusty Kra…

January 18th, 2018 at 8:34 PM ^

The first Michigan-Ohio State game I attended (2003) was our last quality win over Ohio State. 2011 of course was a win but we know it kind of rings hollow. Let him talk the talk since the school he commited to certainly has walked the walk his entire lifetime.

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UM Fan from Sydney

January 18th, 2018 at 8:41 PM ^

OK, yeah. We beat a bad OSU team in 2011, but I don't care. If OSU can brag about beating a shit ton of bad UM teams in the past ten years, then I'm bragging about beating them in 2011. Seriously, OSU has had the fortune of playing some pretty fucking terrible UM teams. It hasn't been much of a challenge. At least when UM was beating them in the 90s, OSU had a lot of good teams, many of which could have won a national title.

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Swayze Howell Sheen

January 18th, 2018 at 8:51 PM ^

that's good. maybe he shouldn't play too hard if gets on the field.

 

all i know is that the last game was pretty intense and felt pretty damn important to both sides, like a rivalry game should. and the year before. 

but people are dumb and only remember simple things, like Ws and Ls.

even during Cooper, most of the games were tense and hard fought. look back at the '97 game, we could have easily lost that one.

 

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BlueMk1690

January 18th, 2018 at 9:02 PM ^

We won’t out-talent OSU as long as Meyer is there..so our guys gotta out-will them, out-fire in the belly them. If those guys go into a Michigan-OSU game taking it for granted..that’s the chance to lay down a beatdown on them. It’s bound to happen at some point.

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GoBLUE_SemperFi

January 18th, 2018 at 9:09 PM ^

...win something, then talk.  Been hearing that for too long.  Having said that, Michigan had it's own similar win streak and it didn't require 3 coaching changes and 4 AD changes to get there.  In fact, I'd say that it was Michigan's streak that forced OSU to go in another direction and fire Cooper and we all know what happened after that change.  That's what makes the rivalry, both programs have had long win streaks, both programs have won games that they weren't supposed to, playing spoiler to the other team's season.  THAT is what makes it a rivalry.

Am I shocked that a 17/18 year old kid, with zero understanding of what makes an historic rivalry, throws shade at the biggest rival of the program that he is committed to?  Absolutely, not...but I don't put much stock in his ignorance, either.

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Mo Better Blues

January 18th, 2018 at 9:31 PM ^

I have to laugh at this, albeit the kind of laugh that hurts desperately when you've torn a pectoral muscle or something. But of course it's a rivalry, there are just swings in rivalries.

UofM and OSU are natural rivals in many, many ways: geography, philosophy, inextricably linked coaches/players, history, and my personal favorite: good old fashioned undying hatred. Really, the single biggest reason Glenn E. Schembechler is "Michigan Legend Bo" is the 1969 upset. (Sure as hell wasn't his Rose Bowl/Nat'l Title record.) That was epic precisely because they were hammering us for a long time before, and beating them was the Wolverine football equivalent of landing a man on the fucking moon.  

Great rivalries experience dynamics like dynasties, upsets, eras of dominance, eras of parity, flukes, bad calls, amazing plays/players that get it done/valiantly fall short, etc. From time to time, rivalries *do* need to be revived and we're on the cusp there, no doubt. But we don't get curb-stomped by OSU every single year. On the contrary, the reason it hurts so bad is that the games have actually been suprisingly competitive, even during the darkest days of our program when they've had no logical justification for being so.  

Win/Loss record is critical. Fact. But, I mean, we lead the all-time series. They can go ahead and win 20 more games straight before talking that level of smack. (But, like, please, God, no.)

It's absolutely a rivalry. And we have to get to winning it again. All the talk about our expected vs. actual win totals/CFP appearances/conference championships aside--we have to win The Game this fucking year, specifically because we've come too close in recent history and have fallen maddeningly short. 

One win--just one--in the last 3 years and nobody's claiming this isn't a rivalry. And if we win this year? Yeah, you know damn well which date will be circled in red on OSU's 2019 Buff Naked Firefighter Calendar. (And I'm not insinuating anything with that comment. They say they bought it for charity and I, for one, believe them.) -- Edit: Yes, they've already purchased the 2019 calendar in early 2018. Urban Meyer is just that good.

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Perkis-Size Me

January 19th, 2018 at 8:33 AM ^

You're only as good as your last win. And our last win against these guys came a long time ago, when most recruits were probably in middle school. It's been even longer since there was a win against a good OSU team. 

Honestly, recruits don't give a flying fuck about what happened in a rivalry before they were born. Especially what happened in the rivalry when their grandparents were in college. Aside from us diehards and people within the program, no one knows who Bennie Oosterbann is. Or Fielding Yost. Or Crisler. Or in many cases, they don't know who Bo is either. And most of them don't care to know. All recruits have really known since they've been born is watching OSU beat up on Michigan EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. That is your present reality. And that is all that matters. 

Stop using our distant past as a crutch. It's one of the reasons Michigan continually gets made fun of as being a program that lives in the past. 

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Forest Evashev…

January 18th, 2018 at 9:39 PM ^

Hasn’t played a single down of football in college,yet decides to comment on the Big Ten’s greatest rivalry. You would think the high school kid would have a lot more on his plate. Btw Jeremy your record against Michigan is 0-0. Would love to se this young punk leave OSU 0-4 vs. Michigan.

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WeimyWoodson

January 19th, 2018 at 7:34 AM ^

Probably baited by 11 Warriors reporter to try and fire up the readers on that site. Also he’s not really wrong. I turn 32 at the end the month and I don’t remember Michigan really winning. Which is sad because when growing up I just always assumed Michigan would win. By around the start of the Rich Rod era I pretty much assumed Michigan wasn’t winning. Then Hoke won and it changed. Then Harbaugh showed up and I assumed it was going to change, and after this year I’m back to apathy.

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Perkis-Size Me

January 18th, 2018 at 9:50 PM ^

Well unfortunately he’s not wrong when it’s all said and done. Rivalries are supposed to be a two way street, and Michigan has in no way held up its end of the bargain for the last 20 years.

That having been said, my guess is that if he says anything like that around Meyer he’ll be running stairs in the stadium for at least a week. I don’t care what team you play for: you start taking success for granted and then the next day you’re knocked flat on your ass wondering how the other team ever got the best of you.

As far as I’m concerned he’s 0-0 against Michigan, so the smart thing to do would be to save your trash talk for when you yourself have the results to back it up.

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Forest Evashev…

January 18th, 2018 at 10:05 PM ^

Unfortunately he does not have. In spite of Michigan’s “lost decade” in The Game, Jeremy should ask Tressel, Urban and all of the former players and coaches who actually played in The Game if it is a rivalry.

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EconClassof14

January 18th, 2018 at 10:57 PM ^

I don’t know why Urban even bothers to have a TE on the field. Enjoy run blocking and running the occasional 5 yard flare route then get drafted in the 5th round based on your athleticism

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Michigan4Harbaugh

January 18th, 2018 at 11:11 PM ^

Hope he gets his damn bell rung coming across the middle, and one of our defensive players just stands over top of this twat while he lays there in utter pain. Welcome to the rivalry, bitch.

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chatster

January 19th, 2018 at 12:08 AM ^

Most high school football players today would have no recollection of a time when Michigan was considered among the nation’s elite college football programs.  They might’ve been in pre-school the last time Michigan won a conference championship in 2004. Michigan's combined record from the 2000 season through this past season is 147-80 (.648 winning percentage). Ohio State's combined record during that time is 194-37 (.840 winning percentage).
 
They might’ve heard of the times when Michigan and Ohio State had a true rivalry in football, but they might not be able to recall a game that Michigan won. For those kids, in this century, The Game has been more like the Washington Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters.  It’ll always attract fans and there are times when the Generals keep the score very close, but the Globetrotters always seem to win and have the better players.
 
They’ve never seen Michigan play in the college football playoffs, or have a Heisman Trophy winner, or win a national championship. Since January 1, 2004, when those high schoolers might not have been older than four, Michigan’s record in bowl games is 3-9.  Michigan hasn’t been playing in many of the prestigious bowl games during their lifetime
 
They know about Tom Brady, but how many of today’s high school players would instantly know where Brady went to college?  What percentage of them would instantly know the name of any other Michigan player who’s currently playing in the NFL?
 
Even if they’d know that Tom Brady’s the best Michigan player now in the NFL, would they be able to identify the next best Michigan player currently in the NFL? For that matter, how many of us could?  And who would it be? Taylor Lewan? Devin Funchess? Brandon Graham? Frank Clark?

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Hanzo

January 19th, 2018 at 12:56 AM ^

He's a stupid punk kid but he does have a point.  In his life he's seen what 2 wins against Ohio State.

The common denominator here has been coaching.  Sweater vest started by getting Carr fired and Urban Meyer has blown away all 3 coaches since.  Harbaugh is still my guy but he needs to deliver at least one time soon.  When we beat them with Meyer once then I believe it could turn the tide.

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NelzQ

January 19th, 2018 at 1:08 AM ^

One can hope that we have some players on this team with the mentality that they've had enough; and that will kick their ass on the field for this.

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Eph97

January 19th, 2018 at 2:43 AM ^

He was asked by a 247 reporter at the Polynesian Bowl practices if he was talking trash with UM TE commit Mustapha Muhammad and Ruckert said there was no reason to talk trash because it wasn't a rivalry.

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