Illinois Snowflakes - The Offense
October 12th, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^
If Harbaugh didn't replace Shea in this game, he never will.
That's really fucking depressing
October 12th, 2019 at 3:51 PM ^
Shea will be pulled next week... when we’re down 28.
October 12th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
So in the first quarter.
October 12th, 2019 at 5:05 PM ^
Does anyone remember the last time Michigan threw for 300+ yards in a game? It's 2019, you shouldn't have to Google search to find out this stat... SMFH
October 12th, 2019 at 6:52 PM ^
No he wont. Coach just talks about meritocracy, he doesnt mean it.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^
Word is McCaffery didn’t practice this week. So at what point of the game would you have put in Milton? This isn’t sarcasm, I legitimately would like to know when in the course of that game you’re rolling with Joe Milton.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^
Id put Mccaffery in and run a vanilla offense then. Surely, you can put him in for a drive and see what youve got.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:59 PM ^
Did you miss the part where HE DIDNT PRACTICE? I’m not putting in my 2nd string QB who didn’t even practice all week...Shea was shaky but not “bench him” level.
October 12th, 2019 at 9:01 PM ^
Holy shit, that’s brilliant. Why did no one think about running a vanilla offense?
October 12th, 2019 at 7:14 PM ^
Milton really?
Just because he is big and throws hard doesn't mean fucking shit.. he's thrown what 20 career passes and has like 3 interceptions..
He won't fucking see the field any better than shea, and he is slower than fuck when he runs..
I dont get what you think is going to happen?
Like when peters came in for a couple games do alleviate okorn? Guess what he sucked too.
October 12th, 2019 at 10:25 PM ^
1. I’m not sure you can play the position much worse than Shea. He can’t make decisions, he doesn’t see the field, and hes incredibly lazy
2. Even if Milton is every bit as bad as Shea, you’re better off letting a freshman figure stuff out than wasting your time with a senior who plays like the dumbest true freshman in the country. Shea will never be better. He will be worse the next game he plays, because every single game he plays Is one more game’s worth of film for his opponents to study and figure out a new weakness.
They’ve already had to cut the offense back to sub-high school levels of complexity for a senior QB, and he still is too stupid and lazy to figure it out and make correct reads. If we’re going to be this vanilla, let the actual freshman who might get better have a shot. EVERY OTHER MAJOR TEAM IN THE COUNTY seems to be able to recruit game changing QBs who play well as Freshmen. It’s only at Michigan where the fans and coaching staff act like the world will end if they bench a shitty senior for a highly recruited freshman.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:34 AM ^
I wouldn't say he's lazy. He seems to care, works hard, and has teammates supporting him. BUT he does not see the field, won't check down, holds the ball too long, often makes poor decisions and is careless with the the football. He's just not a good QB.
I'd much prefer DM but if he didn't practice, you can't put him in. It's not fair to anyone to do that. Same with Milton. Not fair to put a kid in that situation who has played so little.
So we go to PSU with a lousy offense and a likely loss. Unless they can make Patterson feel more comfortable in a hurry, e.g., hypnosis!
Good but not great defense. Great skill players. Very mediocre QB equals a Ford field bowl....
October 13th, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^
1. I’m not sure you can play the position much worse than Shea. He can’t make decisions, he doesn’t see the field, and hes incredibly lazy
These are not the words of someone who has watched Michigan football for the last decade. I remember people saying this same thing about Devin Gardner before we got to see how bad Shane Morris was against Minnesota in 2014.
October 13th, 2019 at 12:34 AM ^
If he didn't practice, why did he travel with the team and dress?
October 13th, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
We know very little about Milton as he has had very limited action, mostly in mop up time, and even then hasn't looked great running or throwing. He's our Rocky Lombardi.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:02 PM ^
I watched the same game and almost none of the offensive issues were on Shea. Rbs fumbling, getting stupid penalties...those killed drives. There were 2 or 3 poor throws but across an entire day that's not that bad.
Seems like people just want to blame somebody for the consistent overall ineptitude.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:05 PM ^
It was more that 2 or 3 bad throws - his accuracy was iffy all day. And he continues to take way too long to pull the trigger. Didn’t matter today because the receivers were often very open and the protection was good, but both of those will change against a better defense (as we saw last week). And didn’t he fumble again?
October 12th, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
And no arm strength for some reason. All his passes to the sideline I cringed waiting for a pick 6.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:15 PM ^
None of those sideline passes we're even close to picks....
October 12th, 2019 at 4:36 PM ^
Doesn’t mean they didn’t have any zip. When they were thrown, all wobbly and no oomph I was concerned. Luckily UI sucks.
October 12th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
Indiana?
October 12th, 2019 at 5:49 PM ^
Precisely.
October 12th, 2019 at 5:54 PM ^
It looks like he throws leaning back a alot.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:47 PM ^
Not sure how close DPJ was to the boundary on that one looper, but that gets picked by any halfway-decent defender.
Shea made some good throws today, but he is not consistent enough. Unfortunately, it seems DCaff and Milton aren't better, or else they would have been in there after the first drive (or the first drive of the second half). We're rolling with Shea the rest of the year.
October 12th, 2019 at 11:22 PM ^
I think had Milton started the second half the D would have played better, fearing a comeback. Instead they just took it easy. I was hoping he would play.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:50 PM ^
The one late to DPJ was close. I think any less of a receiver to come back and get hands on it, and it’s a pick.
October 12th, 2019 at 9:32 PM ^
Except for the sideline pass to DPJ, that almost was a pick. Did you even watch the game?
October 12th, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^
It was cold and windy today. Not exactly ideal conditions for a QB that doesnt have a strong arm. Joe Milton's issues are well beyond that. He just hasnt been very good at QBing other than mop up duty vs Rutgers. Shea is our best QB. Like it or not it just is what it is.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:47 PM ^
“She’s is our best available quarterback” and “Shea played badly” are not at all mutually exclusive.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:14 PM ^
Totally agree, some of those plays against better teams will be sacks as he is not quick enough to pull the trigger. A few times he had guys wide open and wasn't close. I know their were those trying to provide excuses for him in regards to the wind, but it sure didn't seem to hurt the passes of the freshman for Illinois.
October 13th, 2019 at 6:45 AM ^
It's now mid-October and we are up north. It's extremely foreseeable that we will play on cold, windy days from now on. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there will be colder, windier days, hell, even some with precipitation, that our QB's will be expected to play in.
October 12th, 2019 at 5:26 PM ^
I was at the game. Unhappily Shea didn’t see a couple blindingly open receivers most notably DPJ waving at him in the end zone. Sigh.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
No.
If that's your take you didn't watch the same game.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
People have amnesia from being hit with O’Korn too many times in key games.
Shea is the best we have until #10 is back. The problem is that i see too many wide open guys (especially deep) and he waits FOREVER to decide to throw. Not to mention continually overthrowing guys that the routes Designed to get open. Was glad to see his moxie return a little more once he remembered he can run and is not a glass doll.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:29 PM ^
Dude, Brandon Peters' backup looked better than Shea.
October 12th, 2019 at 7:12 PM ^
There is someone to blame. It isnt Shea though. Just like it wont be Mcaffery next year when his head is called for. Its making your QBs, and in essence your offense, scared shitless. When we attack we will win this isnt the NFL and all rosters arent equal. Scared money never wins and neither do QBS.
October 12th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^
A few of those passes were 3rd and long plays. Not a high percentage play.
October 13th, 2019 at 8:14 AM ^
This is so so wrong. Errant throws are obvious to see but he is often very late recognizing an open WR and delivering the ball. He bails out of the pocket way too soon, rarely steps up. He could also gain 75 more rushing yds if he had the stones to keep and run.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:07 PM ^
Shea Patterson is THE limiting factor in this offense. I’ve seen subpar players keep jobs over more physically gifted players because of the mental part of the game.
Patterson makes up for bad throws with even worse reads and decisions. He’s just guessing out there it seems. What the hell was he doing on that 4th down play?!
October 12th, 2019 at 4:28 PM ^
He scored four touchdowns today you dumb fuck.
I'm not saying it means he played particularly well. But when you say it's depressing that if Harbaugh didn't replace Shea today he never will, in a game he scored FOUR TOUCHDOWNS, you sound like an overreacting idiot. If Milton has this performance you're dickriding him guaranteed.
But it is the snowflake thread so I'm gonna restrain from saying even worse things.
October 12th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^
He missed the windows to prepare for another starting QB.
October 12th, 2019 at 5:18 PM ^
True story
October 12th, 2019 at 5:34 PM ^
Let’s look at those 4 tds:
1) Wide open rollout RPO to a TE
2) Wide open rollout RPO to a TE
3) Wide open RPO to DPJ that DPJ has to make a diving catch on because the throw is inaccurate (this occurred on a drive where he had already missed a wide open DPJ for a TD and almost got another throw to DPJ picked because the ball was way late)
4) a QB sneak for about 6 inches (at least he didn’t fumble?)
Which of those plays indicate superior QB play that is going to hold up against a non-terrible defense? All were basic, easy half-field / one option reads bought by good play design. And interspersed with all of that was the same issues that have crippled the offense all year: late throws, bad reads, lack of vision, now with bonus inaccuracy and noodle-arm. It’s not that his play was bad in terms of stats, it’s that he showed zero improvement on the flaws we already know lead to terrible offensive outputs against better teams.
October 12th, 2019 at 8:28 PM ^
This is absolutely the correct take. The fact that has nine downvotes shows either that the fan base is entirely delusional or this board is 90% trolls.
October 12th, 2019 at 11:21 PM ^
Shea Patterson = Joe Bolden = Practice Player
October 12th, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
QB1 needs to be benched for a new leader of the offense. Body language of the players looked bad/uninspired even after the win. Anyone see them sing The Victors? Tough to watch.
October 12th, 2019 at 3:45 PM ^
I'm still not completely sold on this new "Ball On Ground" offense.
October 12th, 2019 at 3:46 PM ^
- Beyond pathetic showing today.
- I never want to hear “fumbles are random” ever again.
- Shea needs to be benched. He’s too inaccurate and he’s too slow in making his decisions, which he does poorly. Whether deciding to throw the ball to an open man or to tuck and run, he just takes too long to decide what to do. Not saying McCaffrey or MIlton would be saviors, but Shea is just too bad at this point.
- I never want to see a shotgun run up the middle on fourth down ever again.
October 12th, 2019 at 3:51 PM ^
Not saying McCaffrey or MIlton would be saviors
At this point, it really doesn't matter.
1. It cannot get any worse.
2. Either of them (who will make mistakes) may reach deep down and surprise us. Anything is better than Shea at this point.