November 30th, 2019 at 11:05 PM ^
I don’t know if it’s happening or not, but does everyone who beats us or is looking good have to pay players? That just an assumption of what happens?
December 1st, 2019 at 1:05 AM ^
Everyone that beats us? Nope. Wisconsin this year exploited a weakness*. Penn state when they've beaten us has come in with good gameplans and had a handful of elite athletes in key positions to exploit us at weaknesses* (the gameplans just mentioned). Iowa...well, Iowa just Iowas. They build and shape players and have enough 3/4 stars pan out that they are consistently above average and happen upon a really good season every few years...the shaping of players and creating solid 4th year players each year making for fewer weak spots* any given year.
So, the asterisks. We have weak spots every year because (and maybe we're allowing some money to exchange hands to some elite players) but we aren't the 3star factory Iowa is and we dont give/offer up enough to land the high 4star/5star players. Players that are going to certain schools across the country, one being a team we play every year that has become an auto L on the schedule each year. Is it an excuse? Yea, sure, I guess when you can say Iowa and Purdue are able to beat OSU and we can't. But it's also a real reason and one that pretending isn't a thing has become blindly lazy by fans and media members.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:51 PM ^
So if Tennessee kept Derek Dooley for ten years they would be great now? The problem with both programs is in who they hired not that they changed coaches.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:59 AM ^
For Georgia, I'm not really sure Kirby Smart is anything special. They're just throwing money around left and right. See: Isaiah Wilson
For us, everyone is talking about how Hoke's teams played better vs OSU and that seems to be true. I also wonder if that bastard Mattison's defenses were better suited to contain it. Don Brown's hyper aggressive man to man approach is just getting smoked by Ryan Day. If beating OSU is the most important thing, maybe Brown isn't the right fit for us anymore. Worked fine when they had JT Barrett. Not as much when they have elite QBs
December 1st, 2019 at 9:16 AM ^
Perfect assessment. I always say that eventually we will get better under Harbaugh especially our offense. However, I also think our defense is displacing a whole entire position by pulling or putting a guy not a DUDE, as a “viper.” We cannot beat OSU in a 3-3-5 even if it’s disguised as a 4-2-5. We have to get tougher in the trenches and find a way to get consistent push up the middle. Yesterday Dwumfour was getting held up the middle,”obviously not getting called,” but when he did get a push it was very disrupted a la Henry of 2015.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:28 PM ^
How many coaches can go 9-3 at Michigan and lose to OSU every year by 25 plus points? I'm guessing a lot. Being better than Rich Rod and Brady Hoke isn't a high bar and I don't feel any better now than with those coaches. 6-6 and going to a non important bowl game feels the same as going 9-3 and going to a non important bowl game.
December 1st, 2019 at 1:33 AM ^
Plus if we’re going to be a national joke we should save some money and hire a coach for around 4 mil a year.
That way we can stop paying Harbaugh his ridiculously overpaid sum.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:29 PM ^
Ummm. Wayne Fontes is available!
November 30th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
Very contemporary reference.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:32 PM ^
June Jones!
November 30th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
If people say he’s the best Michigan can get enough times, will it actually be true?
November 30th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
November 30th, 2019 at 10:46 PM ^
Due to your hatred of defense (not ironic)
November 30th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
Blown out 3 out of 5 times. 2 in a row...Something has to change.
He’s done a great job in all other games, on average. However he’s largely measured based on THIS game, and we really haven’t been competitive. Something has to change.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:47 PM ^
Not bowl games.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:32 PM ^
I dont necessarily disagree with OP, but nobody would have expected Oklahoma or Ohio State to somehow improve when they replaced HOF coaches with OCs, but here we are.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:35 PM ^
I understand where you are coming from, but you cannot possibly compare the state of the programs that Ryan Day and Lincoln Riley had when they inherited the position in comparison to Jim Harbaugh's.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:47 PM ^
"blah, blah, blah...excuses...rabble, rabble"
MGoBPONE
November 30th, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^
Not an excuse. OU and OSU are historically better programs than Michigan. Its fine if you want to roll the dice on someone else, but Harbaugh is essentially back to where Michigan was in the late Lloyd Years.
November 30th, 2019 at 11:23 PM ^
Look out! He's got a raging PBONER!
November 30th, 2019 at 10:46 PM ^
So replace Jim with Josh Gattis in the off season, after we openly wondered if they chose the wrong Alabama assistant earlier this year, and boom 2020-21 national champs.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:34 PM ^
No, Walter, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:35 PM ^
This is basically like having Alabama (without the national titles) in your conference with how much talent they have. It's tough and it sucks but we are right where we were at the end of the Carr era. Harbaugh has beaten everyone in the B1G--most teams multiple times--except one.
Have to try to just keep chipping away. They want us to fire Harbaugh and lose stability again. We must stay the course and just keep trying to tweak things.
Don Brown is not the answer. "OSU better watch out" a year after 62 and then you give up 56.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:44 PM ^
We are hardly “chipping away”. We are taking two steps back for every step forward. The gap between us and OSU gets worse by the year. Next year we lose by 40+
November 30th, 2019 at 10:45 PM ^
When exactly did Carr get blown out this badly two years in a row to OSU?
Are you tuning in to the team's games this year? Did you forget about Wisconsin? They were inept, vapid and non-competitive there as well. It's not just OSU games. ND is bad this year, MSU is garbage. Indiana lost their entire offense to injury. Losses to Wiscy and Frames.
Harbaugh won't get fired this year, obviously. I don't want him to. But next year he's on the hot seat whether you like it or not.
......
The thread talking about how a 13.5 point spread was "outrageous" now is comical. You read posts here and wonder if some here watch the same games I do.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^
ND isn't bad this year. They're 10-2 and only other loss is to #4 Georgia by 6 on the road.
Stop the revisionism.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:55 PM ^
Once again... You must not watch many of ND's games. Or ours. We weren't exactly a complete team this year.
All that and your response is just that "But, but ND is good! Right?"
November 30th, 2019 at 11:40 PM ^
Methinks the keeper of The SuperGuide watches our games.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:55 AM ^
The OSU teams that Harbaugh is facing would obliterate the OSU teams that Carr faced. IMO.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:57 PM ^
Recruiting is the canary in the coal mine. We're losing ground quickly. Recruits are no longer buying the BS. UMs on field record against quality opponents is now a handicap in the homes of the youth. Don Brown's side of the ball especially.
November 30th, 2019 at 11:28 PM ^
Actually auburn has beaten Alabama. LSU beat Alabama. Even when Alabama makes the playoff they still slip up against their rivals. We can’t beat Ohio state because this staff is poor at preparing the team for this game. Brady hoke beat a mentally challenged version of Ohio state. That game isn’t the norm. The last 5 years the outcome against Ohio state has been mostly similar. Harbaugh has made changes and still no success. He’s not going anywhere but regardless he will be fired. It’s inevitable. Stop defending someone that we are stuck with. He’s our coach because we have no alternative not because he’s earned it.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:36 PM ^
That's just like, your opinion man.
Face it, there are other coaches out there that could win 9 games here against Rutgers, Illinois, Maryland, Indiana, MTSU, Army, and MSU.
Are there ones that couldn't? Sure. But to flat out say he's the "best we could possibly get"? There's really no factual basis for that.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^
I get you're just listing off our wins from this year (except ND. wonder why?), but he's 2-2 against Wisconsin and 3-2 against PSU- both top-15 teams.
Just say it. He hasn't beaten osu yet. We get it.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:42 PM ^
He's also got less Big Ten titles and 11 win seasons than a certain other coach in the Big Ten East that this board regularly shits on.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:44 PM ^
You don't make your coach the 3rd highest paid to be average against Wisconsin/PSU/MSU. Forget the OSU egg.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:46 PM ^
It's not just losing to Ohio State, it's losing by double digits to them every time he's face them with the exception of 2016. They never seem to have a chance against them.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:49 PM ^
Harbaugh DOESN'T GET IT...
0-5 now?
Let's give him another 5 years to figure it out. He thought he had the answer when he switched from a run based attack to an RPO/Spread... he was trying to mimic how OSU killed us a few years ago. Guess what, OSU went back to a run based gamed and proved yet again that...
SCHEME MEANS JACK SHIT, they just want it more, and put more effort into it.
Harbaugh slappies be damned, we need to start looking... doesn't mean we can his as for the 2020 ass kicking we'll get via the hands of OSU, but it's just like any business decision... if you aren't looking for something better, you're sitting stagnant and the competition will pas you by.
November 30th, 2019 at 11:37 PM ^
There are also idiots who, if things aren't working to their liking, change the wrong stuff and end up wrecking everything because they can't tell what parts are good (and should be kept) and what aren't (and should be changed).
If it were so easy to get a coach that makes your team a top-4 team regularly, why aren't Texas, USC, and Florida State all be top teams? They have history, lots of money, historically great recruiting, big fan bases, and huge incentive and desire to be good. They have everything else: players, money, a system, fans. Why didn't they just go out and get a coach that makes it happen?
December 1st, 2019 at 8:30 AM ^
“SCHEME MEANS JACK SHIT, they just want it more, and put more effort into it.”
They ran all over us because the DL is undersized on the interior and their OL absorbed us level 1 and 2. That’s taking a weakness and scheming to it.
They also schemed Mettellus and Hudson into very undesirable matchups and consistently took advantage.
It all means something. Scheme, recruiting, coaching.....
November 30th, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^
I am not trolling. I am genuinely curious about coaching that you think could produce better results at Michigan.
Stability in a program is something that is very hard to achieve, and is very easy to lose. I agree changes need to be made in the off season to address lack luster defensive play and poor recruiting, but I am hesitant for a regime change at this point where we will likely go 10-3.
November 30th, 2019 at 11:36 PM ^
Yes, I'm afraid you're of the majority when it comes to Michigan football. Don't care who they win or lose to so long as the magical 9.6 wins is accomplished. It's like comfort food, perpetual mediocrity. It's filling, and the number of wins look good, but so what if they never again beat OSU, it isn't like you're a culinary snob.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:48 PM ^
Give us your suggestions. It's so easy to discount what Harbaugh has restored as if it's a layup with UM's resources. We've proven that it's not a layup at all. It sucks that our biggest arch rival has risen to a notch above the big ten, but all empires fall, eventually. That day will come, and it will be glorious.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^
This take was acceptable after year 3. Not now.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^
Not this year. But after we get paved again next year, it'll be apparent.
November 30th, 2019 at 11:23 PM ^
Morons will still defend him even if he’s 0-10 against Ohio state. I just find it laughable that people are more worried about defending harbaugh then offering a solution to fix the problem
November 30th, 2019 at 10:42 PM ^
Keeping him doesn’t accomplish shit unless you like having a ceiling of 10 wins and NEVER beating OSU.
December 1st, 2019 at 12:19 AM ^
Unless you are positive you can get a better coach, why would you get rid of Harbaugh? Honest question-unless you can get a coach who is better than Harbaugh is right now, that means you are taking a huge chance, so what’s the point? The argument isn’t “well, there are a lot of coaches who could win 9 games at Michigan,” the argument is “unless you are 100% sure you’re getting an upgrade, then you are starting another rebuild all based on hope.”
November 30th, 2019 at 10:44 PM ^
Then resign yourself to being a just above average P5 program
The whole look at the program he inherited vs Lincoln Riley or Day is bullshit 5 years after Harbaugh arrived He’s had his first recruiting graduate so the program is his now
November 30th, 2019 at 10:58 PM ^
Harbaugh inherited almost 20 upper class men who made the NFL and did nothing with it. The narrative that the cupboard was bare is horseshit.