Hypothetical Nightmare for CFP
October 28th, 2017 at 10:26 PM ^
Stanford isn't good this year though so they better have a hell of a game to knock off Washington or ND.
October 29th, 2017 at 7:09 PM ^
Even if ND wins out and UGA only loss is to #1 Alabama, I think UGA would go before ND as long as they aren't blown out.
#1 Alabama
#2 Ohio St
#3 Clemson
#4 Oklahoma
#5 Georgia
#6 Notre Dame
October 28th, 2017 at 9:33 PM ^
October 28th, 2017 at 10:00 PM ^
Playing the following ranked teams;
Georgia, MSU, USC, NC State, Miami, Stanford.
You don't believe that is impressive enough to get into the playoffs?
October 28th, 2017 at 10:29 PM ^
No. Stanford and USC aren't very good. NC State may not be. MSU is eh, so so. Georgia is the only good one on that list. Two of them are just names that people associate with good but they just aren't.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:31 PM ^
The committee wants Notre Dame in. They are in if they win out regardless of what anybody else does.
October 28th, 2017 at 9:51 PM ^
Why is everyone assuming Alabama is in even if it loses to UGA in the SEC title game? Alabama has beaten no one of note. The teams that are ranked in the SEC besides UGA are a joke; it is the SEC bias of the media ranking everyone so they can claim a tough schedule. It is a joke that LSU is still ranked after losing to Troy.
October 28th, 2017 at 9:52 PM ^
There is something wrong with your argument because OSU is not winning out. They will lose to Michigan!
October 28th, 2017 at 10:05 PM ^
October 28th, 2017 at 10:00 PM ^
They'll probably won't go undefeated next week. A bigger nightmare would be a bunch of 2 loss conference champs.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:02 PM ^
and forgot potentially 11-1 PSU with a 1-pt loss on the road to a 12-1 team.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:18 PM ^
The first time that Notre Dame gets in and two P5 conferences get left out, we will see a quick expansion to 8 teams.
The conferences own the system, and they won't just sit by and have 40% of their representation be excluded from the biggest event in CFB.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:05 PM ^
I think this has basically been said, but at the end of the season, take the 5 conference champs plus ND. That's six teams. Eliminate any of those 6 teams with 2 losses. There's a good chance you have 4 teams left. If you have 3 teams left, you add the best of the rest with two losses. If you have 5 teams left, you eliminate one of the one loss teams. Eliminate first on head to head (i.e., if Oklahoma and OSU each end up with one loss, eliminate OSU. If Georgia and ND end up with one loss each,l eliminate ND. That last scenario is very unlikely, but I guess it is technically possible.) After eliminating via head to head record, go with ranking, i.e., popularity contest.
Personally, this season will be a success to me if Michigan beats OSU. This seems extremely unlikely, but that would almost undoubtedly knock OSU out, having two losses. And I absolutely don't want to see Michigan in the national championship final four teams this year. We aren't ready. Keep on getting better, every day, every game, and maybe next year.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:07 PM ^
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October 28th, 2017 at 10:20 PM ^
Washington is going to left out because of their nonconference and weakness of Pac-12 makes their schedule strength awful. The loser of the SEC championship game would get left out for not winning their conference. Notre Dame would get left out for losing to Georgia at home, lack of conference championship game (13th data point), and not having beaten a top level opponent (assuming Washington wins the Pac-12 North over Stanford). Notre Dame would be the one team on that list not to have a top-15 win. Notre Dame would need Miami (FL) or NC State to win the ACC.
I think your playoff would be Alabama/Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Clemson. In that order.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:20 PM ^
To Hell With ND !!
October 28th, 2017 at 10:29 PM ^
The committee is still a political animal, and it's chomping at the bit to put them in.
If ND wins from here on out they are in no matter what, and two P5 conferences will get left out.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:48 PM ^
I don't think it is as certain. Without a conference championship game, ND needs opponents on their schedule to win key games or they are going to get left out. If Alabama/Georgia, OSU, or Oklahoma win out, they are all getting in ahead of ND. Alabama/Georgia would have a win over the other plus UGa H2H win over ND. OSU would have wins over PSU and Wisconsin. Oklahoma would have wins over OSU and several good Big 12 teams. Who has ND beaten? Those teams control their destiny with the extra conference championship game.
I think because ND's schedule is so ACC-heavy, their spot is somewhat dependent on how the ACC shakes out, chaos in conference championship games, and if USC/Stanford can win the Pac-12. If Clemson and VT end up the best teams in the ACC and win their divisions, I don't see how ND is getting in without some chaos elsewhere. That is the problem with being an independent with an ACC agreement. They don't play Clemson, VT, or GT this year. That could end up problematic.
October 28th, 2017 at 11:00 PM ^
What you say should be true, but they will find any excuse possible to put them in. That narrative is already starting to happen.
The ACC champ is vulnerable to a 1 loss ND because you can cherry-pick several common opponent games.
If we beat Wisky and then OSU wins out they are vulnerable to a 1 loss ND.
The Pac 12 champion is already vulnerable.
If they want ND in, they will have lots of opportunities to make up a rationale, just like they did last year for OSU.
You don't like it. I don't like it. But it's there.
October 28th, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^
OSU would have wins over PSU and Wisconsin. PSU may be ranked ahead of ND if they win out or at least very near them. ND would not have a win like that on their schedule. Wisconsin may end up being better than any team on ND's schedule even with a loss to Michigan. ND's only chance to control their own destiny would be Miami/NC State winning the ACC or USC/Stanford winning the Pac-12.
I think the Pac-12 is definitely getting left out. I think right now hypothetical 1-loss SEC champ, 1-loss Big 10 champ, and 1-loss Big 12 champ are the only ones that control their own destiny today.
OSU last year had wins against top-10 @Oklahoma(the Big 12 champ), vs. top-10 Michigan, and top-10 @Wisconsin. Notre Dame does not have anything close to that, and in order to get it, it would cause enough chaos to knock the ACC out. Every one of ND's big games (Georgia, NC State, & USC) have been at home so far so that hurts as well. MSU losing today hurt ND a lot too.
Next week is a really big week for ND. Clemson @NC State, VT @Miami, Stanford @WSU, PSU @MSU, and Arizona @USC. If 3 or more of those games go against them, ND is going to need a lot of help.
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October 28th, 2017 at 10:38 PM ^
Zillions of assumptions on future events. I'll go with:
1)Alabama
2)Clemson - Defending champ and ACC champ is not getting left out for one of these other teams.
3)Georgia SEC hype, win @ND, dominant in other games. Iif they keep it close against Alabama the SEC gets a 2nd team. An Alabama loss is the best loss in committee's eyes
4)Notre Dame - 1 point loss to Georgia, wins over @MSU, killed USC/NC State, adding wins over Miami and Stanford. Might have best collection of wins of any team.
Sorry:
5)Oklahoma - Theyve been kinda lame 4 weeks in a row now and the Big 12 is not well respected
6)Ohio State - really wants OU to lose because obviously they're losing that tiebreak. Loss to Michigan makes this hypothetical moot anyway.
7)Washington - fairly lame schedule. And ASU is a shitty loss. Also not getting much attention, which is always bad.
October 28th, 2017 at 10:40 PM ^
Rankings are silly. Last year us lambasting psu didn't mean anything because "teams change through the season" but then everyone wants to talk about why who should be in what because of who they beat.
None of it makes any sense. Rankings across 120+ teams who barely play any similar opponents are silly. The entire thing is rather arbitrary in a one off system anyway.
October 28th, 2017 at 11:01 PM ^
kept them out of the playoff because they were non-competitive
makes me feel good
October 29th, 2017 at 3:50 AM ^
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October 28th, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^
of at best average intelligence and short attention spans.
October 28th, 2017 at 11:10 PM ^
That's more like a dream where you are running from a giant bowling ball.
A real nightmare would be:
2loss Notre Dame
1 loss Georgia beats Bama in SEC
1loss WSU p12 Champ
2loss ACC champ
1loss non OKLA b12 champ
10-2 Wisc b1g champ
10-3 MSU runnner up (beat UofM)
10-2 UofM (beat Wisc and OSU)
10-2 OSU (loss to UofM)
Figure that nut-hump out.
October 29th, 2017 at 3:17 PM ^
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October 28th, 2017 at 11:52 PM ^
And it’ll be Georgia in that scenario.
October 29th, 2017 at 3:47 AM ^
I promise you Alabama will never miss a playoff with at least 2 losses. Ever. This isnt TCU or Baylor. And trust me nobody would like to see them miss the playoff more than me.
October 29th, 2017 at 1:06 AM ^
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October 29th, 2017 at 3:31 AM ^
The PAC12 and B1G champions could be left out his year. This will drive those buck nuts in OH crazy! Overall, I think the playoffs should be expanded to 8 teams. This could get the true P5 conference winners in and two at large teams.
October 29th, 2017 at 3:43 AM ^
October 29th, 2017 at 3:56 AM ^
ND, OSU, Bama, Clem. DONE
October 29th, 2017 at 8:00 AM ^
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October 29th, 2017 at 9:04 AM ^
As long as we are playing what ifs
They have wins against two top 5 teams - Oklahoma (@Okla) and TCU
If they win out that means additional wins against ranked West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and in Big 12 championship game mostly likely another win against Oklahoma.
Their losses are to Iowa (in OT) and Texas 17-7), neither bad losses.
Do I think they are going to run the table - No, but if they do, that is a pretty good resume for a 2 loss team.