Hypothetical Nightmare for CFP

Submitted by A2MIKE on
Notre Dame wins out, finishes 11-1. Ohio State wins out finishes 12-1. Clemson wins out finishes 12-1. Georgia/Bama go undefeated into SEC champ. Washington wins out, finishes 12-1. Oklahoma wins out, finishes 12-1. Who gets left out? I would think ND, Georgia and Bama might be locks in that scenario.

Solecismic

October 28th, 2017 at 9:33 PM ^

It's hard to take the CFP seriously in that teams are rewarded for ducking difficult non-conference games. I'd leave ND out because of a lack of a conference title and take Oklahoma because the Sooners went to Columbus and risked and won. Washington sits because of schedule strength. Any serious attempt to evaluate strengths and weaknesses of top teams is made irrelevant because the media focuses only on the number of losses. Treating the conference title games as anything but eliminators is difficult to justify. Which led to the absurdity of inviting OSU over PSU last season. I think the real nightmare is if a mid-major goes 13-0 and joins the mix without having played a single top 20 team all season.

Eph97

October 28th, 2017 at 9:51 PM ^

Why is everyone assuming Alabama is in even if it loses to UGA in the SEC title game? Alabama has beaten no one of note. The teams that are ranked in the SEC besides UGA are a joke; it is the SEC bias of the media ranking everyone so they can claim a tough schedule. It is a joke that LSU is still ranked after losing to Troy.

M-Dog

October 28th, 2017 at 10:18 PM ^

The first time that Notre Dame gets in and two P5 conferences get left out, we will see a quick expansion to 8 teams.

The conferences own the system, and they won't just sit by and have 40% of their representation be excluded from the biggest event in CFB.

StephenRKass

October 28th, 2017 at 10:05 PM ^

I think this has basically been said, but at the end of the season, take the 5 conference champs plus ND. That's six teams. Eliminate any of those 6 teams with 2 losses. There's a good chance you have 4 teams left. If you have 3 teams left, you add the best of the rest with two losses. If you have 5 teams left, you eliminate one of the one loss teams. Eliminate first on head to head (i.e., if Oklahoma and OSU each end up with one loss, eliminate OSU. If Georgia and ND end up with one loss each,l eliminate ND. That last scenario is very unlikely, but I guess it is technically possible.) After eliminating via head to head record, go with ranking, i.e., popularity contest.

Personally, this season will be a success to me if Michigan beats OSU. This seems extremely unlikely, but that would almost undoubtedly knock OSU out, having two losses. And I absolutely don't want to see Michigan in the national championship final four teams this year. We aren't ready. Keep on getting better, every day, every game, and maybe next year.

Squash34

October 28th, 2017 at 10:14 PM ^

I actually think the pac12, acc and big 12 will have 2 loss champ and 2 of the three teams you listed from those conf. will not be champs. This year has been pretty crazy already and I expect it to continue.

Leaders And Best

October 28th, 2017 at 10:20 PM ^

Washington is going to left out because of their nonconference and weakness of Pac-12 makes their schedule strength awful. The loser of the SEC championship game would get left out for not winning their conference. Notre Dame would get left out for losing to Georgia at home, lack of conference championship game (13th data point), and not having beaten a top level opponent (assuming Washington wins the Pac-12 North over Stanford). Notre Dame would be the one team on that list not to have a top-15 win. Notre Dame would need Miami (FL) or NC State to win the ACC.

I think your playoff would be Alabama/Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Clemson. In that order.

Leaders And Best

October 28th, 2017 at 10:48 PM ^

I don't think it is as certain. Without a conference championship game, ND needs opponents on their schedule to win key games or they are going to get left out. If Alabama/Georgia, OSU, or Oklahoma win out, they are all getting in ahead of ND. Alabama/Georgia would have a win over the other plus UGa H2H win over ND. OSU would have wins over PSU and Wisconsin. Oklahoma would have wins over OSU and several good Big 12 teams. Who has ND beaten? Those teams control their destiny with the extra conference championship game.

I think because ND's schedule is so ACC-heavy, their spot is somewhat dependent on how the ACC shakes out, chaos in conference championship games,  and if USC/Stanford can win the Pac-12. If Clemson and VT end up the best teams in the ACC and win their divisions, I don't see how ND is getting in without some chaos elsewhere. That is the problem with being an independent with an ACC agreement. They don't play Clemson, VT, or GT this year. That could end up problematic.

M-Dog

October 28th, 2017 at 11:00 PM ^

What you say should be true, but they will find any excuse possible to put them in.  That narrative is already starting to happen.

The ACC champ is vulnerable to a 1 loss ND because you can cherry-pick several common opponent games.  

If we beat Wisky and then OSU wins out they are vulnerable to a 1 loss ND.

The Pac 12 champion is already vulnerable.

If they want ND in, they will have lots of opportunities to make up a rationale, just like they did last year for OSU.

You don't like it.  I don't like it.  But it's there.

 

Leaders And Best

October 28th, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^

OSU would have wins over PSU and Wisconsin. PSU may be ranked ahead of ND if they win out or at least very near them. ND would not have a win like that on their schedule. Wisconsin may end up being better than any team on ND's schedule even with a loss to Michigan. ND's only chance to control their own destiny would be Miami/NC State winning the ACC or USC/Stanford winning the Pac-12.

I think the Pac-12 is definitely getting left out. I think right now hypothetical 1-loss SEC champ, 1-loss Big 10 champ, and 1-loss Big 12 champ are the only ones that control their own destiny today.

OSU last year had wins against top-10 @Oklahoma(the Big 12 champ), vs. top-10 Michigan, and  top-10 @Wisconsin. Notre Dame does not have anything close to that, and in order to get it, it would cause enough chaos to knock the ACC out. Every one of ND's big games (Georgia, NC State, & USC) have been at home so far so that hurts as well. MSU losing today hurt ND a lot too.

Next week is a really big week for ND. Clemson @NC State, VT @Miami, Stanford @WSU, PSU @MSU, and Arizona @USC. If 3 or more of those games go against them, ND is going to need a lot of help.

Richard75

October 28th, 2017 at 10:28 PM ^

Everyone says this every year (going back to the BCS days) and it never happens. Could there be one semi-deserving team that gets left out? Sure. But Oklahoma will lose somewhere along the line because their defense is mediocre. Washington will trip up because they aren’t especially dominant. These what-if-everyone’s-the-same doomsday scenarios never play out because everyone isn’t the same.

SeattleWolverine

October 28th, 2017 at 10:38 PM ^

Zillions of assumptions on future events. I'll go with:

1)Alabama

2)Clemson - Defending champ and ACC champ is not getting left out for one of these other teams.

3)Georgia SEC hype, win @ND, dominant in other games. Iif they keep it close against Alabama the SEC gets a 2nd team. An Alabama loss is the best loss in committee's eyes

4)Notre Dame - 1 point loss to Georgia, wins over @MSU, killed USC/NC State, adding wins over Miami and Stanford. Might have best collection of wins of any team.

Sorry:

5)Oklahoma - Theyve been kinda lame 4 weeks in a row now and the Big 12 is not well respected 

6)Ohio State - really wants OU to lose because obviously they're losing that tiebreak. Loss to Michigan makes this hypothetical moot anyway. 

7)Washington - fairly lame schedule. And ASU is a shitty loss. Also not getting much attention, which is always bad. 

PapabearBlue

October 28th, 2017 at 10:40 PM ^

Rankings are silly. Last year us lambasting psu didn't mean anything because "teams change through the season" but then everyone wants to talk about why who should be in what because of who they beat.

 

None of it makes any sense. Rankings across 120+ teams who barely play any similar opponents are silly. The entire thing is rather arbitrary in a one off system anyway.

SMart WolveFan

October 28th, 2017 at 11:10 PM ^

That's more like a dream where you are running from a giant bowling ball.

 

 

A real nightmare would be:

2loss Notre Dame

1 loss Georgia beats Bama in SEC 

1loss WSU  p12 Champ

2loss ACC champ

1loss non OKLA b12 champ

10-2 Wisc b1g champ 

10-3 MSU runnner up (beat UofM)

10-2 UofM (beat Wisc and OSU)

10-2 OSU (loss to UofM)

Figure that nut-hump out.

rice4114

October 29th, 2017 at 3:47 AM ^

Thats probably the cutest thing ive ever heard. Alabama refers to the first loss of every season as a “mulligan”.

I promise you Alabama will never miss a playoff with at least 2 losses. Ever. This isnt TCU or Baylor. And trust me nobody would like to see them miss the playoff more than me.

Qmatic

October 29th, 2017 at 1:06 AM ^

Make 4 "Power" conferences. This makes the conference championship games quarterfinal games. Play the semifinals two weeks after that and the championship 2 weeks after that. No extra games, but it creates 4 more "playoff" games

uminks

October 29th, 2017 at 3:31 AM ^

The PAC12 and B1G champions could be left out his year. This will drive those buck nuts in OH crazy! Overall, I think the playoffs should be expanded to 8 teams. This could get the true P5 conference winners in and two at large teams.

jblaze

October 29th, 2017 at 8:00 AM ^

Ohio St. is too powerful to get left out. Bama too good, ND to popular. So they are all in. Clemson, OSU, Washington are left then and it’s a toss up.

GoBlueInIowa

October 29th, 2017 at 9:04 AM ^

Iowa State?

As long as we are playing what ifs

They have wins against two top 5 teams - Oklahoma (@Okla) and TCU

If they win out that means additional wins against ranked West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and in Big 12 championship game mostly likely another win against Oklahoma.

Their losses are to Iowa (in OT) and Texas 17-7), neither bad losses.

Do I think they are going to run the table - No, but if they do, that is a pretty good resume for a 2 loss team.