Hoops: What is Michigan missing/ what do they need to compete next year for a championship?

Submitted by Jordan2323 on April 2nd, 2022 at 9:58 PM

Watching the Final Four, but not really into it all that much other than I’d like to see K go home without a title. Kind of thinking of what Michigan needs to compete next year? Villanova was missing a key player and they play small ball. Nova has a lot of upper classmen. Kansas has a balanced roster but has a lot of upper classmen, same as NC. Duke is pretty young and not much depth. It’s hard to answer I know without knowing what the decisions are with Hunter, Moussa and Caleb. Kansas gets 12.5 ppg and 33 minutes a game from two transfers. Manek has been the key addition for NC this year. Duke is loaded with top 75 talent. Baylor was loaded last year with a team full of transfers. I look at these teams and I find myself pondering of what might have been if Livers doesn’t get hurt. 

I don’t think Moussa and Hunter will both go but if they do, we will need some portal help for the post. Other than that, some questions at the guard spots and shooting.  What are y’all’s thoughts on what we need next year and I guess maybe beyond that as well to compete? 

The Deer Hunter

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:09 PM ^

Not being lazy but I don't have much to add, your analysis is pretty good Jordo. Hunter is gone but I think Moussa is a 50/50 depending on his feedback. Caleb is a hard no. 

I foresee a SG and C/PF in our near portal future with the recruiting class coming in. 

I share your sentiment about the "what if" on Livers, that is slightly offset getting to watch him shine as NBA quality 3&D guy with the Pistons.  

 

 

DMill2782

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:17 PM ^

I can't imagine Hunter is just automatically gone. I love him at Michigan, but he's simply not a NBA player. If he is truly sick of being in school and wants to go play in the G-league or overseas, more power to him and I wish him all the success in the world. That being said, is that really a scenario where a guy is 100% gone? 

Jordan2323

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:26 PM ^

Not 100%. He said he was coming back for one more year after last year. His age is working against him a little bit as far as NBA window. If enough NIL money is shoveled his way it might tip the scales. I’m actually more interested in seeing what Diabate could do at the 5 in a wide open offense and a switchable defense. 

jdib

April 3rd, 2022 at 1:28 AM ^

Moussa could legit turn into a Bam Adebayo type of center.  He's got the athleticism and his defense is pretty good.  Hell, he even has solid potential to develop a good mid-range as he appears to have the ability to display some nice touch at times.  Obviously Bam is the ceiling but Moussa already looking like he can guard several positions when needed.

jdib

April 3rd, 2022 at 11:54 AM ^

Edit:  I typed out a reasonable response but after looking through your post history you seem to be  quite negative and/or trash our players in football so I am guessing it was an attempt by you to downplay Moussa too and say it's not possible he could end up being as good as Bam.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  It's an opinion.

I don't care if you trash my opinion but not a good look to trash M's players on football/basketball

 

urbanachiever

April 3rd, 2022 at 10:39 AM ^

I agree on the last point. Hunter obviously raises the ceiling for our offense, but his lack of mobility is a big problem defensively. Having a switchable center is such a huge defensive asset especially against teams with pick and pop 5s

So, whether Hunter stays or gos, I think there's possible upside either way

The Deer Hunter

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:32 PM ^

Agree not 100% especially with NIL in play. Hunter's draft stock is at optimum right now being just 20 years old. He worked on what the NBA told him and it showed. His ceiling is likely back-up center in the NBA even if he has to go to the G-League. If he stays, he likely risks his draft stock going down. 

Just IMO, but this is how it these situations usually play out. 

 

Venom7541

April 3rd, 2022 at 10:04 AM ^

JaVale McGee of the Suns might disagree. He's a 7 footer that can't shoot the 3 and you don't want guarding a wing. He's been in the league since 2008 and was a 1st round pick. His salary is about 10mil a year. Dickinson can actually shoot the 3 better. I think there is 100% a role for him in the NBA and unfortunately, it probably needs to start this year. Not saying he'll have McGee's level of success, but he can definitely find a role in the NBA

MeanJoe07

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:09 PM ^

Someone that can create their own offense, shoot off the dribble and knock down the 3 Ball in the 38% to 40% range with consistency.  Good thing those players grow on trees.

Jordan2323

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:19 PM ^

I think Bufkin can be one to shoot off of the dribble but I don’t know if he will be a 40% three point shooter though. I feel like Frankie’s speed will open things up more next year for the guys outside, they just have to knock them down. Great guard play is so pivotal in March/April. 

Rico

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:12 PM ^

Someone who can create their own shot/shoot off the dribble - and make it. Didn't really have that besides Dickinson post ups and occasional Brooks floaters and they are both gone. 

Edit: the koala beat me to the punch

Erik_in_Dayton

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:16 PM ^

I think it's very hard right now to make a comprehensive list of what Michigan will need. It appears that we'll head into the season with major question marks in the backcourt. Worst case scenario, that's true at center too. 

The team obviously needs more shooting. Someone will need to step up as an emotional leader. They'll need to be consistently focused on defense. 

Hopefully Michigan will get solid minutes out of someone among Tschetter, Barnes, McDaniel, Jace Howard, and Glenn. They can only afford to carry so many non-contributers. 

Eastside Maize

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:19 PM ^

We need better PG play. All of our March runs have had very good to great lead guard play. Frankie has to become a viable outside threat and improve his free throws. Camp Sanderson will help Houstan finish more around the cup.

oHOWiHATEohioSTATE

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:23 PM ^

The fact that none of Hunter, Moussa or Caleb have declared yet has me thinking there's a chance all 3 come back. Hard to know what we need to or can add until they make decisions but a guard that can hit 40 percent from 3 is #1 on the list imo.

Darker Blue

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:25 PM ^

Dickinson, Diabate and Houstan are all coming back imo.

They need Houstan, Bufkin, Diabate and Collins to make that sophomore leap. 

They also need a couple more shooters 

YakAttack

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:25 PM ^

A miracle?

 

I kid. Consistent spot up 3 point shooting, assuming Frankie is the starting PG (not a portal infusion.) He seems like he can drive and kick. Especially if Moussa is the starting 5 next year so teams have to respect his flashes to the rim.

username03

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:32 PM ^

Perimeter players, regardless of who does and doesn't come back. All four of these teams and all four last year etc. are driven by perimeter play. 

LabattsBleu

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:34 PM ^

I didn't catch the early game, but the UNC/Duke game is very impressive.

There's shooters everywhere, that actually can make shots under duress, either in the system, or able to put it on the deck and create something.

Banchero, Love, Manek, Keels, Williams

it's very impressive to watch some of these guys.

LabattsBleu

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:42 PM ^

admittedly, I probably tuned in just as Duke was making a run back.

but iso creation and athleticism does seem like its on another level... a few misses at the rim since I first posted.

That said, UNC did roll Michigan already this year by 21...and while Michigan got better as the year went on, so did UNC...I'd bet they'd beat Michigan by 12 + if they played now.

Gustavo Fring

April 3rd, 2022 at 12:27 PM ^

Most elite teams play inside out.  Kentucky has for years and a ton of super talented guards (Booker, Herro, Quickley, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander) have been significantly better in the pros.  Didn't stop them from getting TyTy.  MSU has played inside out, hasn't stopped them from recruiting well at guard position.  Illinois, outside Big Ten you have plenty of examples.

Bufkin was a McDonald's All American, Houstan is not a shooting guard but was a top 10 recruit who was primarily known as a shooter (if there's a criticism of Juwan there, it's that Michigan could have benefitted from a more well-rounded player).  Don't think this is it

Gustavo Fring

April 3rd, 2022 at 12:25 PM ^

Yeah I don't think this is true.  Bufkin and Houstan were both recruited for their ability as big-time shooters.  He let and encouraged Hunter Dickinson to take multiple 3's this year, and Williams improved as a shooter too.  

The one thing you can say is the lineups with T-Will at the 3 next to Johns and Diabate were bad, but Johns was a Beilein recruit who just never seemed to want to shoot.  And the reality is, there weren't a lot of good options at the 3.

He also recruited Tarris Reed who looks like another big with shooting ability.  There are fair criticisms of Juwan (inexplicably playing hard hedge against MSU in the first game, occasional lineup mishaps) but this isn't one of them.  

Maize and Luke

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:38 PM ^

I’ve been saying for a while now that they need just an average 7 footer out of the portal. I’m thinking someone like Rebraca like Iowa had this year. They could also use another shooter. I’m on the fence about PG. I love Frankie but a little depth would be nice.

AlbanyBlue

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:40 PM ^

Buckets. 

We need reliable shooting from 3 and, if Hunter goes, finishing at the rim. 

Defense seemed to improve as the year went on, but we need reliable scoring.

SD Larry

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:45 PM ^

Personally think there is a chance Hunter comes back.  That would help immensely.   Everybody work on their shooting this summer.  Thought Michigan played good defense vs. Villanova and had chances to win if they shot better.

DeepBlueC

April 2nd, 2022 at 10:45 PM ^

They need more top-notch 3 point shooters. 34% as a team isn't good enough, and they had no one over 40%. Brooks was their only decent 3-point producer, and he's gone.  And they need someone from last year's recruiting class to start living up to their hype.  Houstan and Diabate were both disappointments.