Heisman Odds for 2023: Joe Milton Ahead of JJ and Blake
Several sites are posting Heisman odds for 2023. Here's the one from Fansided.
Reigning champ Caleb Williams of USC is obviously the favorite but it gets a little silly when you start looking down the list. JJ McCarthy and Blake Corum are tied for the 13th-best odds, below Joe Milton, who is ninth. Donovan Edwards shows up nowhere. JJ and Blake are also behind the new quarterbacks from Penn State and Ohio State.
The preseason favorite almost never wins the Heisman (the only time it's happened in our generation was Marcus Mariota in 2014), so it won't be Williams again. Corum's touches will likely be reduced this season because of Edwards - and he is coming off an injury - but this still seems like a lack of respect that will hopefully fuel him.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:06 PM ^
I was under the belief that Deion Sanders son was claimed the winner already. So this list is obviously a joke.
/s
January 11th, 2023 at 12:54 PM ^
I see my fan boyz are alive today! 😀.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:07 PM ^
"but this still seems like a lack of respect that will hopefully fuel him"
Late in the 4th quarter Michigan, up by two, faces a critiical 4th & two on the OSU 47 yard line. Coach Harbaugh (hopefully) pulls Blake aside and says "do you remember when fansided listed your Heisman odds lower than Joe Milton? Do you remember how that felt, that disrespect that fansided showed you that fateful day? Now go out there and pick up that first down AND SHOW FANSIDED YOU SHOULD'VE HAD BETTER ODDS TO WIN THE HEISMAN THAN JOE MILTON!!!!!!"
January 11th, 2023 at 12:18 PM ^
now this is the type of coaching motivation we need
January 11th, 2023 at 6:33 PM ^
With a bunch more swear words.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:21 PM ^
Superbly stated! Beast mode ENGAGE!
January 11th, 2023 at 12:25 PM ^
Change "two" to "two scores" and "critical" to "only marginally important" and we might have ourselves a realistic daydream here.
January 11th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
+1 for the username. How have I not noticed that before? Hall of Fame username without a doubt.
January 11th, 2023 at 1:27 PM ^
Also: "Blake, ignore the eleven guys in the box."
January 11th, 2023 at 3:22 PM ^
Blake Corum's response:
"Coach I would be more motivated to get this critical first down...if fucking Warde could have picked an NIL strategy that would have paid me the money to get the yards and feed the homeless mashed potatoes and gravy with the turkeys!"
January 11th, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^
Between this and Harbaugh swearing for a minute before the game, the NC is ours with Blake going out for Timmy B type 300+ yards.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:08 PM ^
These kind of projections are meaningless, especially rating new QBs at OH State and Penn State.
If the Vol's offensive line isn't that good, Joe Milton ends up on his back more often than not.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:10 PM ^
I predict Milton isn't the Tennessee starting quarterback by the sixth game of the season.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:18 PM ^
That part . . .
January 11th, 2023 at 12:15 PM ^
I think JJ will be really, really good, but this is not an offense that will produce a Heisman QB candidate. And coming off an injury, splitting more carries with Edwards (I expect), I don't see Corum as a top candidate either. Say whatever you want about Milton's chances, but this doesn't seem crazy to have UM's candidates projected pretty low.
January 11th, 2023 at 7:34 PM ^
Harbaugh was able to use Luck in a way that he was a heisman finalist. Stanford still maintained their physical style and running game. I don’t think it’s impossible, but yeah probably unlikely. I guess we will have to watch spring and fall and see if there’s any reason to believe we will focus more on the passing game than we have been.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:17 PM ^
How can I short this?
January 11th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
I’m not 100% sure if you’re serious, but the answer is a betting exchange like Betfair. This is essentially P2P betting, unlike traditional oddsmakers. These exchanges allow for wagers on both sides of what is normally a one sided wager (usually most futures markets). As long as there is someone willing to “Buy” Milton as a Heisman winner, you can “sell” that he won’t. Vig is usually much lower on these so if Milton is +2000 to win, he will probably be something like -2075 not to win (the exchange charges a small vig to provide the service).
January 11th, 2023 at 11:06 PM ^
That's good info. Thanks.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:17 PM ^
I thought the name changed to The ESPN award
January 11th, 2023 at 12:17 PM ^
Bruhhhhhh
January 11th, 2023 at 12:18 PM ^
JJ and Corum are going to cannibalize each others heisman chances. That's just the way it is unfortunately.
When was the last time team mates were finalists prior to Mac Jones/DeVonta Smith?
January 11th, 2023 at 1:41 PM ^
Bush/Leinart?
January 11th, 2023 at 12:20 PM ^
Your usual reminders:
- HAWT TAKES are not about accuracy; they're about clicks. The goal is not to be prophetic but for a bunch of suckers to say things like "What a joke!" or "I am curious to know what they've seen" and so forth.
- Even if correct, for the sake of argument, let's keep in mind what the Heisman actually is, and how often Heisman winners excel at the next level. For starters, chew on the fact that Michigan has the only defensive player ever to win the award in its 87-year history, and what it took for that to happen. No interior lineman has ever won it, for a game that is "won in the trenches".
So, sports shock jocks are saying outrageous things to get attention, over a joke of an award whose objectivity has never been any better than highly dubious. Also: water is wet. More at 11.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^
I don't think these are hot takes though. These are actual odds from their sports book sponsor, meaning it's the exact opposite of hot takes, because the book is literally financially exposing themselves to wrong takes. Putting their money where their mouth is, if you will.
January 11th, 2023 at 4:57 PM ^
Sort of. One sided wagers allow book makers to hide the vig - you can’t calculate vig if you can’t see both sides of a line. Futures like this have extremely high vig, 99% of the time enough to cover if their initial odds were off for the eventual winner.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
Everyone saw his pass against Clemson and decided that was probably more indicative of his ability than the entire rest of his career, lmao
January 11th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^
He had made those comments throws all season though
January 11th, 2023 at 12:25 PM ^
This makes some sense. Michigan has multiple good players that would split votes / impact.
It's a QB award for QBs that put up stats and Milton will likely put up stats in that Tennessee offense. JJ probably won't in our offense. Just the way it is.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:27 PM ^
Heisman voting is no sense. Disconnected from reality. Screw those guys. That is all.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^
Michigan doesn't throw enough for a QB to have even the slightest shot....JJ would need to go 2800 passing, 28/5 td to int and probably 700 rushing with 10tds to even get to NYC. Not happening in this offense
January 11th, 2023 at 12:29 PM ^
I understand we had to pass out of necessity in the bowl game, but JJ showed enough in the last three games that he can win big games. We just can't put him in a trophy case until late November and pray for the same results.
Let him throw it 30 times a game and win in Happy Valley and he should be firmly in the conversation.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:35 PM ^
We can't? Oh just you wait. Harbaugh pleasures himself to thoughts of Michigan's OL exerting it's will at the line of scrimmage. We ain't passing no 30 times per game God willing and the creek don't rise! Of course, no man knows the future.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^
Who are the QB’s for Penn State and the Buckeyes? Do they even know? Any competition - or, just passing the torch?
January 11th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
OSU it's the next [insert name] automatic Heisman candidate per the previous 8 QBs. He will also be good his first year and never need to have training wheels and be "unleashed" later like every Michigan QB.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:35 PM ^
Drew Allar is PSU quarterback. He was a five star I think, and played some this past year when Clifford was hurt. He's not a comp to JJ in terms of style but he's similar to JJ this past year in the sense that he is a true soph five star that played a little bit as a freshman.
But Allar doesn't have competition I don't think. He will be the starter.
OSU, dunno, but they'll find someone.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^
Allar looked like a statue and PSU will prolly still have o line issues so I just dont get the media love. OSU. They might actually take a QB step back. Prolly gonna de Brown winning out.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:31 PM ^
I can't see it. Milton has cannon with no breech sight.
January 11th, 2023 at 1:04 PM ^
Milton in a nutshell:
January 11th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^
That football was bullshit and got waterlogged real easy. Vortex is where it was at. I'd fucking whistle that bitch right through a steel wall and over them there mountains.
January 11th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^
Had a turbo as a kid, can confirm the above points.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^
Having JJ, Corum and Edward's all on the same roster really hutmrts their odds.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^
JJ, Blake, and Donovan will take stats away from each other.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:44 PM ^
If any Mich player wins it, I want it to be JJ as I think it would mean the team's ceiling would be higher. JJ getting off the charts passing and *rushing* stats would allow us to compete with the CFP type teams.
IMO, JJ running the ball against TCU in the first half would have been the difference to winning that game. You can't run Veer and RPOs and the QB not being a threat to run it.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:45 PM ^
Who cares, win games. You get respect by winning and dominating
January 11th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^
So you've taken the free money and put some actual cash on the line right?
The odds seem right to me. No Michigan QB is going to put up eye popping numbers in our current offense, and a healthy Edwards is going to get some of those carries that Corum had this year.
January 11th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
Milton has the ability and the offense to make it happen. Same goes for The Don and Blake. stetson made it to New York so the offense shouldn’t totally take JJ out of the mix. He would have to run the table again though.
January 11th, 2023 at 1:04 PM ^
If the odds are that good I'd take Corum for sure. JJ is probably hurt a bit by the fact that Michigan doesn't throw the ball a ton but I think they will throw a lot more next year. Caleb Williams and possibly even Milton are likely to have bigger numbers because of their offenses.
But Corum at 13th? Also if Donovan Edwards doesn't show up at all that's a good flier bet. For all we know he becomes even more productive than Corum as a dual threat. In any case I'm sure his odds will look a lot better midseason than now.
I remember after last season Cade was +2000 and JJ was less than +50000 and I thought..."even if you think Cade is 75% likely to start that seems wildly mispriced?". I wish I had acted then lol, could have locked in a profit by the end of September.