stephenrjking

January 6th, 2022 at 10:42 PM ^

One thing I will agree with: the department will have at least a sketch list of ideas.

One thing I disagree with: In the unlikely event that Harbaugh actually leaves this season (and I think it is *very* unlikely) I think that hiring from within will be a serious consideration. The current staff was a crucial part of the strategy that worked this year, and you stand a much better chance to keep that going with a within hire. And there's a chance that one of the guys on staff is going to be a great coach.

A chance, anyway. It's a risk. But so is hiring from without. Matt Campbell is, frankly, probably still a top candidate if that were to happen. All the top dominoes have fallen. Hiring a mediocre guy because he has HC experience is a pretty big risk, just like hiring a guy without HC experience. 

None of these options are optimal. That's why Harbaugh was such a big get when we got him. 

MacaroniParty

January 6th, 2022 at 9:58 PM ^

Unless Michigan already has big name replacement lined up to step right in and galvanize the team, players are out. No coach on staff has job security. New coach wants his own coaches. While Michigan is putting out feelers, interviewing, offering, etc. Players are in the portal. Michigan cannot come back to the portal ala MSU last year to replenish. UM is back to rebuild with a new regime. It would be catastrophic damage.

Ronswanson13

January 6th, 2022 at 10:04 PM ^

Coaching searches and big coaching hires are obviously happening earlier now, which means we’re in January and some of the bigger names are already hired.

You’re coming off a great year in which your young staff really excelled and your players seem to really like them and have bought in. To me you’re much better off giving a guy like Gattis a shot and keeping the team and staff together instead of just hiring someone who is “qualified” at this stage. Just one more good season and Gattis was likely out the door anyways - because at that point in time more than enough schools would find him qualified to be their new, young head coach. If it works out, great we have a new young coach off to a good start and if it doesn’t, then you can do a legitimate search before the Lincoln Riley’s are already gone.

Durham Blue

January 7th, 2022 at 12:52 AM ^

First off, I truly do not believe Harbaugh will leave Michigan this year.  The NFL smoke is being used as leverage to put pressure on Michigan to create a competitive NIL program.

If he did leave, I agree with Sal on Gattis' HC candidacy.  He was an average OC, until he wasn't this season.  Maybe he has taken the leap but maybe the stars aligned this season and he is riding the coattails of an outstanding stable of QBs, RBs and OL.  If Harbaugh were to leave I would not be particularly excited if Gattis was named HC.  Seems like he needs to get some HC experience elsewhere first, probably at a smaller school, and prove his worth.

Who else on this staff is poised and ready for the prime time pressure cooker at Michigan?  Not sure anyone on staff fits that bill right now.

AlbanyBlue

January 6th, 2022 at 9:48 PM ^

Lots of feelingsball on this one. 

On the one hand, I have expressed that he has achieved major goals here -- he's beaten OSU and won the Big Ten. If he figures he can't realistically compete with the Georgias and Alabamas for the National Title due to what are presumably institutional norms, then him leaving makes perfect sense. 

On another hand, don't f*cking say you'd coach here for free -- which clearly implies that you want to stay and coach here more than anything else -- while planning on going to the NFL. That's just slimy to me.

On another hand, Jim's bowl game focus/prep/planning still seems to be a notch below what we'd like. It was the Jimmies and Joes against Georgia, but it's also becoming clear that it was the Xs and Os.

On another hand, I was fine with him leaving after last year, but I have come around to him staying, since he has improved and modernized his coaching a fair amount. If he is at a level where he can beat OSU 30-40-50 percent of the time (whatever number we stick in there) and win the Big Ten as a result a number of times, then I am good with him staying at Michigan. So, it's probably my fault if he leaves, since I definitely can't have nice things in my Michigan fandom.

So I don't know, he did this stuff last year. If this is what he wants now, then do it and get it over with and let's find a good replacement. The worst thing is drawing it out. I don't want someone here that doesn't want to be here -- that's what it felt like in 2019 and 2020.

WorldwideTJRob

January 6th, 2022 at 11:18 PM ^

 I think you’re reading too much into his comment and taking out of it what you perceive rather than what he actually meant. He simply stated that money was not a factor for him. He can make a ton of money at Michigan, but if he feels now is the right time to get back in the NFL, then he will make that call. Doubt the financial situation is going to be a deciding factor

thelomasbrowns

January 6th, 2022 at 9:56 PM ^

Raiders and Bears are the suitors, right? Can't imagine him moving to Las Vegas. Maybe if they were still in Oakland.

I'm a Lions fan but I live in the Chicago area, and all the insiders think the Bears organization is just a mess. There's serious rumors that they will keep their gm or promote? him after this season, which is a joke. Their president is like Rod Wood for the Lions except he hasn't had the good sense to remove himself from football decisions. I think the only way the Bears make it happen is by offering Coach a Pete Carroll-type situation, which they seem incapable of doing.

Meanwhile, I'm sure Warde is putting together what basically amounts to a lifetime contract. Staying seems the most likely option, but who knows.

waittilnextyear

January 6th, 2022 at 9:58 PM ^

My take on this is the level of "smoke" has more to do with if Harbaugh had a successful season or not. I bet the R-squared of "Oakland/Chicago/NFL in play" takes with how good of a season it was for Harbaugh is 0.999 or so. To me, the hype is more about other people being interested in him (or not) in any given year.

Yes, this thread is about him actually saying something to someone about something. So that something shouldn't be completely discounted. But, then again, I would also entertain dating Kate Upton if things didn't work out with her and Verlander. Just because someone says they'll entertain something doesn't indicate the likelihood of it happening.

It would be difficult for me to entertain only this one comment (in the context of the feverish wanting-us-to-click-on-their-content by Michigan insider types), and discard all the other very public stuff Harbaugh has said about (1) wanting to be at Michigan (2) coaching for free here (3) this is just a beginning.

waittilnextyear

January 6th, 2022 at 11:30 PM ^

The intensity is different. I'm not sure if that has more to do with the NFL interest ebbing and flowing based on how things went that year. Or if it has to do with his popularity and the blogosphere calculating how many more clicks they can get with an en vogue Harbaugh vs people having "meh" feelings on him. I'd imagine it is both. Pro sports management teams are pretty knee jerk-y and college football fans are most definitely that.

bronxblue

January 6th, 2022 at 10:03 PM ^

The article more points to Harbaugh being honest about getting offers, likely staff shaekups as guys get poached, etc. The usual mantra of "pick the school, not the coach" but spoken with honesty from the HC and not lying to a kid's face like a lot of coaches.

I do think Harbaugh will entertain NFL interest and may well jump, but I also don't necessarily see any of the likely openings being particularly interesting to him.  But I do think it would behoove the university to redo his contract and make other overtures to correct issues he sees (NIL, transfers, etc.) as possibly holding him back (within reason).

Beilein 4 Life

January 7th, 2022 at 1:55 AM ^

“No one is bigger than the program…unless you have a good record against MSU and OSU and have won’t the B10 a bunch, then someone can be bigger than the program.”

-Bo, probably

But as long as we are comparing coaches at Michigan from different eras as if beating MSU and OSU is the same now as it was 50 years ago, Bo never made a college football playoff. Does that mean Harbaugh can be bigger than the program?

BleedThatBlue

January 6th, 2022 at 10:10 PM ^

I don’t buy it. Harbaugh has publicly stated he’s willing to work for free, and loves it here. Kids and family are all growing up where he did, why move his family (kids particularly) to a whole new school and start again? Raiders, even though are on the cusp of possible playoffs are still a disaster of a team. 
 

My own personal opinion is that he told them, because he’s not an idiot and media would speculate. I would be willing to listen to new jobs as well if they come to me.  Why not be upfront and gain trust with a recruit? Doesn’t make sense to insinuate that he is going to leave this year for a recruit that is coming in. 
 

Now, if the rumor/theory about the whole NIL deal is true and that’s what is holding everything back, that’s a different story. 

deeare

January 6th, 2022 at 10:11 PM ^

I think if he leaves, it's because he doesn't like the future of college football vis a vis NIL and prefers the rules of the NFL with a more level playing field.  Isn't that why Beilein quit?

Jordan2323

January 6th, 2022 at 10:11 PM ^

So, both Clemons and the transfer from Virginia agree to come here legitimately thinking their head coach might not be here but our recruiting coordinator leaves and some people think recruits are bailing left and right because of him? Got it!

GoingBlue

January 6th, 2022 at 10:18 PM ^

I am choosing to believe that he isn’t leaving. 
 

If he does leave, that’d put Warde in a position where he absolutely has to go get a big name, and pay every penny he can find on the coach and the staff. I cannot imagine a bigger embarrassment for the AD than cutting a guys salary, having him win big, and then leaving. 

AMazinBlue

January 6th, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^

I don't think Harbaugh bails on UM like he did Stanford.  He has 7 kids in school, lives close to his parents and is settled here.  Picking everyone up and moving LV, Jacksonville or even Chicago seems like a stretch.  

If he does go though, I say steal Josh Heupel from Tennessee, he will be a winner there, book it.  If UM opens up, he could great, exciting things here.

LabattsBleu

January 6th, 2022 at 10:29 PM ^

The cost of having a successful season is having to endure these kinds of rumors. Harbaugh even more so as he has been successful in the NFL, unlike all the other college coaches tabbed for NFL coaching vacancies.

I'd be surprised if he left, especially after the public comments he made both before and after the CFB game.

That said, no one knows what he is thinking except for Harbaugh. The NFL could make him an offer "he can't refuse", or the University will do what it needs to do, not just in terms of salary, but giving Michigan the ability to compete for the same players, so that Harbaugh stays.

I expect there's going to be a resolution reasonably soon. One or two weeks.

Ashgeauxbleaux

January 6th, 2022 at 10:47 PM ^

All about leverage and what Warde will do to keep him.NIL transfers and what Michigan will do within the framework of the rules to compete.If they want to act like it is 1970 then I don’t blame JH for throwing up the dueces and bolting to the NFL where there is an actual level playing field unlike the NCAA.

Bo Harbaugh

January 6th, 2022 at 10:57 PM ^

Let's analyze from Harbaugh's perspective:

UM Pros

1) He loves the school

2) He loves the community

3) He's "home", his alma mater, childhood, etc

4) He seemed reinvigorated this year and truly enjoyed coaching 

5) He loved this year's team and the assistants brought in were successful

6) He could be building something special for the future

7) His life and family is pretty rooted in Ann Arbor at this point.

 

UM cons

1) The fans are fickle and shit on him last year despite the tire fire program he inherited.  He rebuilt the program by year 2 but the OSU football factory kept him from titles and could continue to do so in the future.

2) He's a superior coach to many who have it easier than him in college due to institutional advantages - will he continue coaching here if cards stacked against him.  Would any of us?

3) UM has no organized NIL or transfer portal strategy yet - why so far behind?  Will this responsibility fall on him as well? Does he want to take on this challenge.  

4) Even with NIL and a change in transfer policy, can we compete with SEC annually?  Our recruiting grounds are not as fertile and only OSU has been filthy enough under Meyer to bring in that level of talent nationally.  Even then - OSU seasons generally end in a blowout against a southern school in the playoff.

5) NFL has structure, isn't the wild west and a fairer playing field is already guaranteed...even if needing to rebuild a franchise.  The NFL attempts to create parity...CFB is the exact opposite.

6) There's a level of sleaze and used car salesman associated with being a CFB coach these days that may just not be Harbaugh - specifically when it comes to recruiting.

My 2 cents -

If we bring on personnel to run first class NIL and structure a competitive transfer policy, and Jim feels he can bring in top 5 talent annually due to solid institutional support - he'd stick around to do what he loves most - coach em up and compete at an elite level.

If we put it all on him, recruiting, etc, but don't give him the green light or tools to compete with OSU, SEC for players, he will walk.  

 

Snazzy_McDazzy

January 7th, 2022 at 4:07 AM ^

This entire post is perfect. In sum, Harbaugh loves coaching at Michigan and doesn't necessarily want to return to the NFL, particularly the meh situations he might be offered. But if Michigan can't accept transfers like other major programs and if Michigan isn't willing to pony up so we can have a competitive NIL cash pile, then why should Harbaugh fight tooth and nail just so he can maybe have a shot at winning his own division every other year? The guy wants to win.