Harbaugh issues statement regarding investigation
October 19th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^
FTR, I don’t want an AD that “supports the coach”. I want someone with the gumption to fire the coach if he’s given a reason to.
But the impetus for this latest investigation is so transparently spurious and preemptive that anyone who recognizes the stench of politics could tell the NCAA is waging a PR war. But past behavior indicates Warde isn’t ceding ground to set up a long con; he’s just avoiding confrontation and leaving Harbaugh high and dry. He’s once again doing nothing, because he doesn’t like doing anything. NCAA could be breaking into his house and he wouldn’t move his fat ass to lock the door if his kids were in harm’s way.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:43 PM ^
I would like an AD that supports and stands up for our team with the same passion we have as fans. I would like an AD with a giant set of onions.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:22 PM ^
The AD should never act like a fan. That's how you get dysfunctional organizations like MSU, where the people who are supposed to be in charge are busy licking the boots of the people they allegedly manage.
Warde Manuel is Jim Harbaugh's boss. He's not supposed to charge off and attack the NCAA like a sports radio caller.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:37 PM ^
Gumption
Stopped reading after this word.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:51 PM ^
Exactly. He probably read Ward's comments and was appalled.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:35 PM ^
I would be. Who wants to work for a boss that publicly throws you to the wolves?
October 19th, 2023 at 6:40 PM ^
Good strong statement, Coach....
Onward to MSU....
October 19th, 2023 at 6:41 PM ^
Warde should take notes. You can say you'll play nice and still stand firms in your beliefs.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:43 PM ^
Great statement coach. Now go and win the whole damn thing and flip a bird to those losers who can't beat you on the field. Go Blue!
October 19th, 2023 at 6:45 PM ^
It's fine for Warde to not be confrontational with the NCAA from the beginning. Telling the NCAA to go fuck itself is not a productive strategy.
The problem that I had is that he didn't seem to stand up for the integrity of his coaching staff, because these allegations are directly questioning Harbaugh's integrity, ethics, etc. Harbaugh is a competitive guy, but he's not a cheater.
IMO, Warde should've said something like:
I have spoken to Coach Harbaugh and he has assured me that neither he nor his staff have broken any NCAA rules with regard to stealing opponent's signals. I have requested all evidence from the B1G and NCAA and we will review this evidence. In the meantime, we will cooperate with their investigation while ensuring that the truth is brought to light in the end.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:08 PM ^
You have my vote for being UM AD. Nice statement.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^
You have my vote for being the Special Violation Consultant to Warde.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:46 PM ^
If we have been stealing signals, how the fuck do we explain the game against TCU?
October 19th, 2023 at 6:49 PM ^
Forget the TCU game. Just look back to the first quarter against Indiana. You telling me that a team who knows every single play of their opponent looks THAT bad??
It’s all fucking bullshit.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:57 PM ^
New OC! New signals
October 19th, 2023 at 11:29 PM ^
I literally saw a post on Twitter claiming UM sandbagged first halves the last 2 seasons only to unleash their sign stealing knowledge in 2nd half
October 19th, 2023 at 7:04 PM ^
How did we not pitch a shutout against the juggernauts everyone says we haven't played this year? I mean I guess the script is: We make it look competitive in the first half. Then just use our inside information after halftime and shut them all down.
October 19th, 2023 at 9:05 PM ^
Well since we lost it’s bc “Michigan sucks.” If we win it’s because we either had a snack at Little Brown Jug or we stole signals
October 19th, 2023 at 6:52 PM ^
I'm glad he made the statement.
When the NCAA doesn't follow its own rules, fails to enforce serious violations at other schools, and engages in PR smear campaigns, it's time to push back.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:53 PM ^
Dear God, have mercy on Michigan State football Saturday.
They are in serious trouble.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:08 PM ^
Isn't it possible to steal signs by watching film instead of sending someone into an opponent's stadium filming surreptitiously? I've heard that the so-called "ALL 22" film provides a pretty comprehensive view. Isn't this all they have to say? "Yes, we were able to predict with some certainty what our opponents were going to do because we studied the film, and we believed were able to decipher some of their signs."
Seems to me two things have to be proven:
1) Michigan sent a staffer to scout upcoming opponents
2) Michigan communicated opponents' intentions electronically
October 19th, 2023 at 7:21 PM ^
This. It’s quite interesting how much you can learn about a team’s tendencies by watching film of their prior games. I’m going to go out on a limb, and am guessing that many of our opponents have actually run certain plays more than once this season.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:12 PM ^
No it’s not possible… these teams are like the Navajo wind talkers. Their secret play calling schemes are all unique and uncrackable.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^
Would not be surprised if the NCAA was trying to drive Harbaugh out of the college game, given his support of paying players and advocating for changes like allowing one-time transfers. I am sure they would love to not have him continually making waves that eventually will make them obsolete (if they aren't already).
Honestly, its hard to take the NCAA seriously at this point after how they handled the Kansas and Self situation. When the FBI is involved and people go to jail but you say 'nothing to see here,' I think that's very telling as to what kind of organization you really are.
I think its also very clear who is actually looking out for the student-athletes' best interest (hint: not the NCAA).
October 19th, 2023 at 7:13 PM ^
Perhaps the problem is that Michigan says, "We'll cooperate and take our penalty," while other schools say, "How much is it going to take for you to go lightly on us?" The NCAA likes their money and Michigan won't play ball. Worse yet, Harbaugh denies wrongdoing instead of offering mea culpas.
October 19th, 2023 at 6:58 PM ^
As ALWAYS GO BLUE!!!
Smell this CHAMPIONSHIP BLOOD you Suckas!!!
October 19th, 2023 at 7:05 PM ^
I don't get why sending a scout to watch an opponent is against the rules. People study film of their opponents no? You can see it on TV most of the tims. I remember doing this shit in high school. You mix up your signs so you can't track them. It's the entire fucking point of using signs instead of holding up a card that says what the play is. Intercepting them via electronic means during a game is a different thing. I can understand why that's illegal.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:11 PM ^
I don't get it either. In high school the only way to scout a team was to bring a camcorder to their stadium. And ESPN/ABC/FOX et al. broadcast every single Big Ten game. If there is a concern about videotaping the sideline, make a rule against that. There are dozens of legitimate reasons to scout a team in person, and only one illegitimate one.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:18 PM ^
I confess to some confusion about the "electronic means" ban. So I take it that it's OK if a sideline coach looks across the field, sees the opposing team signal in the play, and says, "I recognize that signal, it's a draw play" and signals our D. On the other extreme, I guess it would violate the rules if we have some supercomputer database with 20 years of data and a camera on the other sideline that does the same thing and sends a text to the sideline. But, does it mean that someone in the press box can't do what I described in the first example and call down to the sidelines?
October 19th, 2023 at 7:30 PM ^
Welcome to the current state of college football everyone. We’re now talking about fucking supercomputers in some weird ass bizarro world database to beat teams that probably change their signals from game to game.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:10 PM ^
From the article:
According to the Yahoo Sports report, two teams that the Wolverines have played this season believed Michigan knew the plays they were running before they were run.
Translation: Michigan beat us in ways that even we did not see coming, so we're going to complain to the NCAA.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:47 PM ^
Fleck and Schiano, Or Allen and Schiano. Schiano definitely comes off as a little bitch. Given Fleck's remarks after the game I don't see it being him but, you never know.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:11 PM ^
IF this investigation proves to be nothing and no evidence was found, then the school and coaches that said these things should
1. Be made public by name.
2. Be suspended for 6 games.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:23 PM ^
NCAA: "How about we settle on a 6 game suspension for Harbaugh next year and we'll call things good?"
Warde: "Done"
October 20th, 2023 at 12:47 AM ^
I think Michigan afterwards should just release all the names and everything involved. They should say who the coaches are, who at the conference was involved, everyone. The conference won't punish anyone since they're the ones telling people Michigan is cheating.
Michigan should take it into their own hands and say, well Idiot 1, 2 and 3 accused us of this, Idiot A, B, C at the conference tried to do this, and their evidence was x, y, z.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:16 PM ^
Play these songs the last 2 home games of the season please.
They won't but they should
October 19th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^
They should play Woodie Guthrie:
As I was walking, I saw a sign there
And on the one side it said "No Trespassing"
But on the other side, it didn't say nothing
That side was made for you and me.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:13 PM ^
For anyone who wants to hear the original type "Signs The Five Man Electric Band 1971" into YouTube. I remember that song so well because my dad hated it. He called it, "One of those protest songs."
October 19th, 2023 at 8:25 PM ^
Imagine that, me working for you!
October 19th, 2023 at 7:20 PM ^
With 10s of thousands of people at these games I don’t see how the NCAA will be able prove that Michigan had people at them specifically spying. If it even comes to that. What am I missing?
October 19th, 2023 at 8:23 PM ^
The NCAA has no burden of due process because it’s not government and not accountable to anyone.
They do have an incentive to not shit where they eat, but they’re too much inbred nobility at this point to see their own madness.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:20 PM ^
I'll NEVER CLICK ON THE FREEP AGAIN!
I swore I wouldn't after Stretch-Gate, but I relented eventually. Today, however, there is an article by some clown named Dan Wolken titled: Time for Harbaugh to drop self-righteous act after more cheating claims.
I know it's clickbait, but that is really low-class so-called journalism.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:20 PM ^
Sorry, double post...
October 19th, 2023 at 7:25 PM ^
Wolken is USA Today, which is part of the same network as FREEP and DetroitNews. But yeah, I leave all that crap alone on days like this.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:28 PM ^
And never will I travel or support the other two teams that made these baseless allegations!!!
October 19th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^
He's a national writer for USA Today. I consider him a hack. His knowledge and analysis of the sport is atrocious. As demonstrated by this title, he's a tabloid football writer, not a journalist. Don't give that schmuck clicks.
October 19th, 2023 at 8:45 PM ^
This is exactly why people use "FREEP" alerts when posting links to their articles.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:24 PM ^
Well, then I guess there's only one thing left to do...
Win. The. Whole. Fucking. Thing.
October 19th, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^
We've got some seriously bad losers in this conference
October 19th, 2023 at 8:05 PM ^
It is probably because it's historically been dominated by two teams. Imagine if you were a fan of any B1G West team and every year you pretty much know you don't have a shot at anything because it's either going to be OSU or Michigan.