Former MSU bball player Adreian Payne dies at Age 31
Sad news for a young man gone too soon. Cause of death has not been given.
Chris Solari on Twitter: "Confirmed the former MSU star big man has died. He was 31." / Twitter
This was one of the cases where the victim reported it to MSU counselors and they advised it would not be in her best interest to file a police report, right? Then the AD conducted his own investigation? Then several years later the police became involved once the entire AD was found to be mishandling these types of allegations?
Is this the right one?
Due process 😂
I believe she reported straight to Hollis.
People are multi-faceted so I will accept that he (and Keith Appling) did legitimately care about Lacey Holsworth, but as others have noted both of them were heavily implicated in a sexual assault at MSU (even if the victim ultimately didn't press charges).
It's sad he's dead because nobody should be shot but I'm not ready to call him a "model citizen"
I also never called him a model citizen FWIW.
I didn't say you did; I was responding to the OP who did.
You should just take your loss and fight a better fight another day.
This is a joke, right?
31, damn. This is so sad. The older I get, these stores just hit harder.
Here's more info. Payne was shot and killed overnight near Orlando.
Man shot to death in Econ Landing townhome community in Orange County (clickorlando.com)
Interesting to see the shooter didn't leave the scene and is cooperating with police. Would seem uncommon for someone getting shot at 1:30 in the morning
Florida is a "stand your ground" state. I wonder if that is going to come into play here.
Could be a case where he immediately regretted his actions and didn’t want to duck and hide from law enforcement.
Yeah it is kind of sounding like Payne was breaking into his house or something of the ilk.
Details forthcoming, it seems.
Poor guy.
I gather there's a reason to link this to Payne? (Victim not identified in the article).
Did you read the headline? His name is in it.
EDIT: He's mentioned throughout the whole article. Maybe you're reading a cached version.
Initially his name was not listed in the article, but it was updated to include it.
LDD10 took this thread off the rails. Reading through his posts he’s obviously a Sparty but probably pretends he isn’t.
How did I take it off the rails? And, yes I am a MSU fan - I've been open about that. I also don't really hate UM or anything (great school, great town, yada yada yada).
I'm just saying calling somebody an absolute 100% rapist when that's just not proven is questionable.
No, you spent a bunch of responses calling out anyone who had the temerity to point out that there was documented evidence of MSU mishandling the investigation (amongst many others) and that because the victim ultimately didn't press charges there's nothing to see here.
By the way, this is how Payne himself described the interaction with the survivor to police when she initially made the charge.
A police report obtained by Outside the Lines revealed that Payne told police he could “understand how she would feel that she was not free to leave.”
Again, it's not going to help anyone to relitigate something from over a decade ago when the facts themselves haven't changed and one of the individuals involved is dead, but save me the "I'm just asking questions" BS. I saw the same reflexive defense of UM here after various incidents (most recently after the Anderson claims people scrambling to defend Bo), so it isn't unique to MSU but I can't see the value in dying on the "Adrien Payne didn't sexually assault someone" hill.
That's all fair, but you could also use this exact type of argument to say it's not a great look for others to claim he's an absolute, 100% proven rapist. Look, there is nuance in this...and I just think people should probably think through their takes before demolishing him right after he died.
The insular culture of protecting football/basketball/hockey players from criminal behavior at MSU was the basis for the ESPN article. From that standpoint, it should be pretty easy to understand why there was frustration at the inability to provide remedies to victims.
My original post was admittedly cynical because of how Payne's community work suddenly became newsworthy at the same time that that stories of rapes started going through the rumor mill or were outright reported.
Blaming any of this on the *rivalry* is even more cynical, but ymmv.
To pretend that people would not be a little more open to the nuance of the situation if Payne was a UM hoops alum is laughable.
See, this is where you're completely wrong. Brendan Gibbons(former UM football player) had a similar situation around the same time(he was kicked off the team and out of school, even though no charges were brought against him) and no one was screaming "wait, wait! Let's be open to the nuance of the situation!" In fact, people around here still hold ill feelings toward Taylor Lewan for his part in that story.
It doesn't matter what color uniform you wear, if you act like an asshole, then you're an asshole.
Wasn't that story a little more nuanced as well? Wasn't he allowed to play for awhile, Hoke wordsmithed the situation...interestingly...then was booted after the bowl game?
Yep, Hoke left a lot to be desired as a head coach, both on the field and more importantly off of it. But, once the university did its own investigation into the situation, he was booted.
What happened to Payne and Appling after MSU did an internal investigation? Oh, that's right, they finished their careers as MSU basketball heroes.
Ummm, he was booted after his eligibility finally ran out...quite convenient.
See, we can all do narratives here.
He was kicked out (no pun intended) of the school, which to my knowledge he was still enrolled in as a graduate student. I believe this expulsion goes on his permanent record and shows up in some background checks (that's what I've heard from different employers, but obviously it probably depends on the background checking service). I don't think that situation was handled great by the school or Hoke but to frame this as an example of Michigan not punishing him and instead just letting the clock run out is unfair.
Again, it sucks that a human being died at the age of 31 in such a violent manner. And he likely did legitimately care about Haley and even if he didn't, his actions toward her made her happy during an incredibly trying part of her short life. I'm not going to diminish that. But the narrative you're pushing is that he didn't sexually assault a woman in his dorm along with Appling, or that there's "nuance" to what happened, and I'm categorically not going to accept that as "let's agree to disagree".
I absolutely never said I know what happened, or did not happen, in that room.
He played for Michigan for too long, in retrospect -- although much of it was because he was given due process and eventually found guilty, for what it is worth. His college career ended before the Ohio State game (and crappy bowl game that year), although Hoke was less-than-forthcoming about the reasons.
Also, I seem to remember that Taylor Lewan was somehow complicit in it, perhaps playing the role of the ELPD in discouraging the victim from seeking justice.
Let's get out of this damn stupid bubble that one school is better than the other in regards to any of this type of crap. MSU has had issues, UM has had issues (heck, somehow someway the statue is still there).
I just added false equivalence to your list of idiocy today.
Teach the Controversy
And the statue shouldn't be standing. Bo was complicit in that situation because of his protection of a serial abuser, which in turn, allowed more survivors to be abused.
Both sides!
What exactly is the *nuance* of the situation? You want us to congratulate Payne because his accusers didn't or weren't able to properly file charges and/or the AD failed to investigate in a timely fashion???
Please give ldd10 some time off.
No, leave him. It's been a while since I saw someone go negative in overall points.
You are hilarious! So what is the proper time frame before you "demolish" someone after they die? A week? A month? Please enlighten us as to your preference.
Sure, but this stuff has been talked about regarding Payne and Appling since the 2010s and every time it comes up these same defenses are brought out. And it's naturally going to come up when a guy dies due to a shooting outside his home at 1:30 am.
I also won't get into the discussion of "nuance" but I do think we hold sexual assault victims to an incredibly high bar for trying to "stop" an assault, especially when said assaulters are two big-ass college basketball players who've cornered you in a room.
Honestly asking, but did anyone say he was for sure a rapist? It seems like you might be using that as a straw man argument here.
Yeah, jfree did on the last page. "dude was a rapist". Admittedly, probably set me too far off...
Then you should know the score. I don't know what you expect.
It would like me going to RCMB to defend the character of Juwan Howard. Yet 99% of the RCMB rags on him for having kids with multiple partners and thinks he's a thug. No sense trying to convince all the Sparty racists on the RCMB.
Is this a thing? Thinking MSU fans are a bunch of racists for calling out Howard for smacking a coach, threatening to kill a coach, etc.?
GTFO of here with this bullshit.
I guess nuance only applies to people that wear
green and white, huh?
What? So you think MSU fans by and large are racists? That's your point?
Did I write that?
My point is that you seem to want everyone here to find nuance in Payne's situation(even though he was on record essentially admitting a very bad thing happened that night). Yet, you can't see it in the Howard situation(i.e. He slapped a coach that was attacking and pushing his players in front of him).
And, guess what? Most on this board would admit that what Howard did was absolutely wrong, and a lot of people here were calling for his firing.
So you think MSU fans by and large are racists?
Have you taken a look at the Izzone?
You are proving my point. Thanks
...all I did is ask if you think MSU fans are a bunch of racists...
No, ALL MSU fans are not racists. Does that answer your dumbass question?