Erik All taking visit to Iowa this weekend; deciding between ND or Washington next weekend

Submitted by cbs650 on December 7th, 2022 at 8:38 PM

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2022/12/07/departing-michigan-tight-end-erick-all-of-fairfield-has-3-finalists/69707302007/

Also in the article, he talks about "He knows when he's treated right and when he's not". I wonder why Michigan didn't approve of the surgery? (per the article)

lhglrkwg

December 8th, 2022 at 10:11 AM ^

Basically the Sabres wanted Eichel to do the safe and generally accepted surgery and Eichel wanted to do a newer surgery for his neck and they were at an impasse on it. I kind of get both sides here without knowing all the details, but Eichel was super sour grapes on the way out. I don't think All has been nearly as bad, but time will tell

VictorsValiant91

December 7th, 2022 at 8:46 PM ^

If he wants to be soft about how Michigan's medical staff treated him, maybe Ohio State would be a good fit. Im thankful for what he did here, but I don't like taking parting shots at the program

gruden

December 8th, 2022 at 8:43 AM ^

I agree with what you're saying about managing your own medical treatment, but All himself hasn't really been candid about what bothered him.  He was vague enough it could be taken multiple ways. 

If you are going to say something, then say it, otherwise don't.  This passive-aggressive posturing isn't good for anyone and reflects poorly on him. 

NeverPunt

December 8th, 2022 at 9:15 AM ^

Sure, but when I was 22 my media savviness was pretty low, and sometimes when I was pissed about something I did or said something petty. He's a young man, and a new father, so im not saying you can't hold him accountable, but sometimes young men do things in less than ideal fashion. No one is as worried about this as MGoBloggers. I think we're making a much bigger deal out of it than it is, personally.

Every program has guys leave dissatisfied, feeling wronged, or otherwise nonplussed about their experience. We have had 3 transfers....its not the titanic sinking over here. yes I get they are captains but that means the team respected them, not that they loved everything about everything here.  I don't see other players on social media dragging All or Cade, generally they've been quite supportive. Maybe we should trust that we dont have all the information and this isn't a big deal.

reshp1

December 8th, 2022 at 9:22 AM ^

Eh, when they're equally credentialed doctors, sure. Then there's the equivalent of "doing your own research," where you keep looking until you find the opinion you want to hear. The fact All chose a strip mall doc for his surgery and ignored U of M doctors tells me it's the latter and not the former.

Magnus

December 8th, 2022 at 9:48 AM ^

A big problem in our society is thinking that someone who doesn't share our opinion is useless or an idiot. It's fine if All preferred this other doctor/procedure; it's his body, and he should be able to make the choice he wants. But that doesn't mean he wasn't treated right. Schools and their doctors have procedures for a reason, and I'm sure U of M isn't employing bottom-of-the-barrel doctors. 

So just say thanks for the opportunity, it's not the right fit for me anymore, and I'm moving on.

CaliforniaNobody

December 7th, 2022 at 8:51 PM ^

Man, if it's really the medical thing this is just bizarre to me. Does he think we'd have any incentive to tell him to retire when he was a pivotal player on the team last time he was healthy? If that's the issue I'll bet with time and age he realizes no one meant him anything but the best. 

rc90

December 7th, 2022 at 9:03 PM ^

Assuming it is all about a failure to get medical clearance, I could understand the kid getting upset. This would basically look like a Kafkaesque bureaucracy blocking a potential NFL career, among other things. Not really a fair description of the situation, but I can understand him seeing it that way.

His dad, though, OMFG. "Doctors at the University of Michigan are telling my kid some really bad thing might happen if he plays again. And my response is to shitpost on social media."

UMForLife

December 7th, 2022 at 9:37 PM ^

He is not a kid anymore. He has a kid on his own. He is not setting the best example. I am sure most of us have been thru life altering situations that we may not like. He needs to put his best foot forward and leave thanking for the opportunity. Hope he is making the right call with playing and sure works out for him.

ERdocLSA2004

December 7th, 2022 at 10:34 PM ^

The rumors are that he had a back injury, he was advised NOT to have surgery performed.  Whether that meant rest and PT would be enough to cure the issue or if he was told to retire, who knows.  Regardless, he then of his own volition went to Florida to have surgery. It is unsurprising that M medical staff won’t clear him to play football after having surgery in Florida, against their recommendations.  Can’t fault the medical staff for this.  And All made his bed when he sought treatment elsewhere.  Time for him to take a new path and let’s all move on.

Gulogulo37

December 7th, 2022 at 11:33 PM ^

Spinal surgery is no joke. It's not like getting your knee scoped (which is also underrated in its seriousness). Besides that it's housing your freaking spinal cord, there are so many small back muscles and ligaments. Layers and layers of them really in the spinal groove. I've known about Stuart McGill for a while but finally reading one of his books on spine health. Also going to the Rolf Institute. I've had extremely painful slipped discs a few times. There is a lot in the book, especially in the beginning, about avoiding surgery unless it's really necessary and basically any other options have been tried or ruled out. That can take quite a bit of time though, even for elite young athletes.

 

flashOverride

December 8th, 2022 at 9:08 AM ^

I was out for a beer after work last night and that's of course the Sparty take: that Michigan's in a scholarship crunch and Michigan's doctors screwed him and then Jim pushed him to retire. Because when you're in a scholarship crunch, obviously the potential All-American senior tight end is the guy you "process."

His chosen doctors, and the team's, had different opinions, Michigan's clearly felt his return after a back injury was a risk, he went and got a second opinion. If you want to believe Michigan is uniquely corrupt in some way no other program is, fine, I mean that's dumb enough as it is, but believing that EVERY SINGLE THING is a cover-up is why no one takes you seriously as a fanbase.

matt1114

December 7th, 2022 at 8:52 PM ^

From what I've read, he went out of network, and actually went to a place in Florida literally minutes from where I live called BioSpine. You can check their homepage as he's on it, and they have a short article on it here, https://www.biospine.com/michigan-tight-end-erick-all-has-live-saving-surgery-at-biospine/

Seems like Michigan med staff didn't approve of it and won't clear him to play. This also seems like something that we will hear so much more about over the next few months/years once he transfers and makes it to the next level. 

bronxblue

December 7th, 2022 at 9:13 PM ^

I don't know what was said about the danger and what the medical prognosis is for this type of surgery but as a counterpoint UM wouldn't clear Ondre Pipkins and Benjamin St. Juste based on long-term injury concerns and both of them wound up successfully playing elsewhere, and in St. Juste's case he's in the NFL and seems to be doing well.  

There's rarely a right-or-wrong answer when it comes to injuries in football and at some point it does come down to the risk tolerance for the individual.  My guess is All will be fine wherever he lands but it'll be interesting to see how the other school's medical staffs treat him.  All of the schools he's visiting are high-end programs that don't need to take flyers on guys with injury histories if they aren't comfortable with their long-term prognosis.

HighBeta

December 7th, 2022 at 10:47 PM ^

I am unable to discern if we're agreeing or not. My keyword was "premature". I have three friends who are ex ball players, younger than me. They hurt much more than I ever did at their ages, starting in their mid 40s. 

My concern is that some surgeries are corrective for a limited duration, then their failure slopes are much steeper than if there had been no surgery.

gruden

December 8th, 2022 at 9:01 AM ^

They are not beyond criticism simply because they're doctors.  Doctors often disagree about what is the best approach.  They're human and have their own biases, just like us.

Apparently the surgeon who worked on him graduated from Johns Hopkins and had 30 years of experience as a neurosurgeon, so not exactly someone without credentials. 

Who is right?  We may never know.  Ultimately we need to respect that it was All's decision. 

Gulogulo37

December 8th, 2022 at 1:11 PM ^

"Doctors often disagree about what is the best approach."

The point is they can have disagreements without either deserving criticism. We simply don't know everything about the complexities of the human body. My prior is that the doctors at Michigan working with the football team are very smart and experienced and not sabotaging the career of a guy we wish was starting for us again next year.

Agreed about not criticizing him though. It's not an easy situation he's in. A lot of the comments here towards Cade and All have been really shitty.

ERdocLSA2004

December 7th, 2022 at 10:39 PM ^

St. Juste had two injury plagued years and was forced out because they wanted his scholarship.  He was treated poorly.  I think his injury was a hamstring or something.  He was very obviously forced out with the threat of a medical retirement.  He’s spent a lot of time on IR with post concussive symptoms though.  

mackbru

December 8th, 2022 at 12:42 AM ^

You’re a real mess here. First off, you have no evidence to suggest he was processed, especially given he was considered a gifted prospect. Second, someone who spent a lot of time out wirh post-concussive symptoms is someone doctors would rightly be cautious about clearing. So you’re contradicting yourself.