1VaBlue1

December 17th, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^

~$2B for NY, with up to $900M from a city fund available to any business.  All of it would have been offset over a 10 year span by the taxes the company and employees would have paid, anyway.  I kinda like some of the things that airheaded dingbat proposes, but this one left me scratching my head.

Mr Miggle

December 17th, 2019 at 12:03 PM ^

I nominate the author for worst writer of the the year. Despite his lead sentence, his next one could hardly be less clear.

"Now, let’s be clear. It is highly likely that Ford sells the Lions because of financial reasons related to capital gains taxes but that does not mean it will not eventually happen."

It's only fitting that he's writing about the Detroit Lions.

Baldbill

December 17th, 2019 at 10:39 AM ^

There is the rub, Bezo's or likely anyone willing to buy the Lions will move them away from Michigan. I think it sounds like a nice idea to have a different owner but I don't see anyone willing that cares about Michigan. If they are sold I think they are gone.

Chalky White

December 17th, 2019 at 11:47 AM ^

It doesn't matter if they move the team. The Ford's don't need to sell. They need to move. The only way the Lions can win is to become something else, somewhere else. Move them to Mexico City for all I care. They are in too deep into the current culture to be able to pull out of it. 

The league will grant Detroit another team. This market is to big to go without a team. The only way we will have a decent team around here is to start from scratch.

ThisGuyFawkes

December 17th, 2019 at 12:24 PM ^

The only way we will have a decent team around here is to start from scratch.

 

Based on what. We are talking about a new ownership, who in turn will bring a new strategy / attitude, which would require new executives and new leadership, who would bring in new coaching talent, who would bring in new playing style and new players. 

This is how franchises work - what is distinct to Detroit that makes it so unique?

Red_Lee

December 17th, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^

Y'all acting like this dude would be inconvenienced by a short trip on his private jet or helicopter or spaceship to come to Detroit on Sundays.

Why tf would he have to do anything in Detroit himself? It would be an investment and moving them anywhere isn't necessarily a surefire way to make more money. He could make better decisions than Martha while he's droppin a deuce at 41,000 feet.

1VaBlue1

December 17th, 2019 at 11:04 AM ^

This is why I hope the Ford's hang onto the team.  If they sell, they'll no longer be the Detroit Lions.  Detroit will no longer have any NFL team (even if any contract says they stay in Michigan for a number of years).  And the Ford's will forever be vilified as the family that fucked not only Detroit, but all of Michigan, by getting rid of the state's only NFL franchise.

But yeah, if they don't sell, they'll still be known as the family that doesn't care enough to help the team win.  They can't win - the people of the state simply will not let them.  As much time, money, care, and effort that family has put into the state's economy and the welfare of Detroit, citizens will never let them succeed with the Lions.

Maybe if they sold to Dan Gilbert?  But that seems like a family rivalry, and I don't see it.  Nonetheless, selling to Bezos means the team will be gone the very moment Bezos finds an opening to move them.

1VaBlue1

December 17th, 2019 at 11:48 AM ^

I don't think Bezos gives one rats ass about NFL market size.  Amazon lives in the high tech world of Silicon Valley - a state of mind that Seattle falls into.  As does NY.  As does Crystal City, VA.  High tech locales that the younger generations see as 'cool' places to be.  Detroit, despite its continued remake into a vibrant city, is not that.  It is still seen as a dirty, factory filled, crime infested hell hole with no high tech workforce.

That's an ugly picture, but when you live outside Michigan that is the enduring image people have of Detroit.  I would love for Bezos to take ownership and leave the team in Detroit.  I just don't think he would.  He would buy it as a toy for 'his' workforce - a group of people he doesn't see as living in Detroit.  I don't know where he'd move it.  London?  Somewhere other than Michigan...

jmstranger

December 17th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^

Seattle wasn't part of the high tech world of Silicon Valley until Gates and Bezos. It also wasn't a "cool" place to live back then either. If a company like Amazon made a serious investment in Detroit the workers would come there because that's where the jobs and money are - just like they came to dirty crime infested Seattle. 

1VaBlue1

December 17th, 2019 at 2:06 PM ^

I don't doubt this, at all (in fact, I upvoted your post).  I know Detroit is a rebounding city and I hope it continues!  But I've lived outside DC (in VA) since 1990 - I know how the city and state are thought of outside the bubble of 'home'.  And it's not pretty.  It's a stereotypical view of things because people don't look at details - traditional views die a slow, painful death.

I didn't grow up in Detroit, but I want people to associate goodness with the state of Michigan I did grow up in.  And that means that it's flagship city must be looked upon favorably.  It's just not there, yet...  You have my sincere hope that it gets there.

I'mTheStig

December 17th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^

+1 as well.

I really just disagreed with High tech locales that the younger generations see as 'cool' places to be.

When you're making a healthy 6 figures a year and are living in a RV or have 5 roommates because housing is that expensive in the Bay Area (even more so than the VA side of DC), Detroit or anywhere else starts looking pretty good.

Are Google or Apple HQ moving out of South Bay anytime soon?  No.  The point is folks are looking for alternatives and Detroit is rightfully becoming one of those locations which is positioning itself for growth.

Some LinkedIn staff just transferred from SF to the new office in Detroit.

One of my clients (you may have used them if you bought a house and the paperwork was handled electronically) said fuck the Bay Area and opened up shop in Idaho Falls. It was a total quality of life move for them -- staff can afford to have a house, a family, and some money on the side... along with no gridlock, no ridiculous taxes, clean air, and not having to step over bum poop on the sidewalk.

yostlovesme

December 17th, 2019 at 9:32 AM ^

I'm not getting excited..as a Lions fan we're always disappointed so I'm pretty positive this will end up not happening and I'll be drinking myself to sleep again. 

Naked Bootlegger

December 17th, 2019 at 9:33 AM ^

Nice try, Yossarian.  You're not fooling anyone with your short, yet informative, title.  

Also, WHAT?  Bezos could fill Ford Field with Amazon boxes if fans fail to show up in the seats.   I'm also fairly certain that Ford Field would be rebranded immediately.

Gameboy

December 17th, 2019 at 9:34 AM ^

I call BS. The article basically states it is a total speculation. Bezos has never expressed any desire to purchase a team in Seattle. Why would he now in Detroit?

Gameboy

December 17th, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^

Bill Gates? He has no interest in sports other than golf and has never been involved in sports franchise talk (just like Bezos). Paul Allen owned Seahawks but has passed away, which is why if Bezos ever even thought about owning an NFL franchise, there would be hot and heavy rumors about Bezos and Seahawks, and there has been absolutely no such talk. So why would he pursue Lions instead?