Reader71

April 27th, 2018 at 12:54 AM ^

You're focused on the right or privilege to say a word. But that's not what it is about. White people can say the word, but it says something about them that it does not say about black people who use it. You can try to pretend that when you say it, you don't mean anything by it, but there isn't a person alive who will believe you. And you know that. Which is why saying it anyways tells anyone who hears you quite a bit about you. Black people say it to and about each other. It is a shared thing. It's fraternal. White people only say it about black people. It is not shared, it is divisive. It is not fraternal, it is about power and roles. I'm about as anti-PC as anyone on this board, and I'm a free speech absolutist. But the way you frame the issue is profoundly stupid.

Gameboy

April 26th, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^

When it comes to black people using the n-word, i would put it this way. A female player slapping a teammate in the butt after a nice play would be just fine. If a male player slapped a female player in the butt, it would be considered as sexual assault.

bronxblue

April 26th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^

There are lots of insults about a guy hooking up with your former girlfriend that aren't racial. I mean, if the teammate had been Jewish, Muslim, Native American, etc. and said something similarly offensive, I doubt anyone would say "he's not anti-Semitic" or "anti-Muslim". It's kind of irrelevant if we are keeping a scorecard about how many racist things someone does or say. My guess is that if his teammatea booted him from the team, it wasn't just a single comment but perhaps a culmination of lots of little things.

MGoStrength

April 26th, 2018 at 10:32 AM ^

Blame the girl, not the dude (assuming it was consensual).  Granted, I wouldn't want that kind of friend, but the girlfriend has the responsibility to him, not the dude.  Usually when this happens the "victim" is better off without the cheater and is being done a favor once your ego is no longer hurt.

gmoney41

April 26th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^

Who negged your comment. This would be my exact response too. I would have a problem with a guy on my team banging my girl but ultimately she made the choice to cheat, so she has the lions share of responsibility here. I would be glad to know my girl is a ho and get rid of her, but I think you hit the nail on the head, that this is all about EGO.

MGoStrength

April 26th, 2018 at 6:44 PM ^

People often times say the right thing in public settings but do the wrong thing in private.  IE they might say it's wrong to sleep with a girl that has a boyfriend to come accross as being a good person, but their past experience shows they've done it themselves.  I tend to be more transparent and say what I really feel.  This may not be as liked when you post it in social media, but my behavior matches my words.  I don't pretend to be something I'm not or say the popular opinion for other people's acceptance.  People are welcomed to like or dislike it and it's fine either way, but I think sometimes folks just go with what seems to be the popular opinion even if they are different in real life.

yossarians tree

April 26th, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^

No way Dantoni even opens this door unless it's a foregone conclusion that he wants the guy back, Reschke's his type of guy, and he already has the votes. Talk about a shitty culture that is just allowed to continue. What a colossal shitbag dick D'Antonio has been and continues to be. I hope he eventually gets fired but not before Michigan hangs 50 on a few of his teams on the field. 

RedRum

April 26th, 2018 at 6:48 AM ^

If I sing a random Tu Pac hook, and use the alleged word in question, that does not change the content of my character. Racism would be to disallow some one to play football based on color. If the kid said something deplorable and he recognizes it was wrong and asks forgiveness, branding a permanent scarlet R around his neck speaks poorly of those that place the R around the necks of those who seek to improve their character. That said, Dantonio is not showing leadership in this matter.

M2NASA

April 26th, 2018 at 8:59 AM ^

And what if he's alone in the comfort of his own home singing along to Dre Day from The Chronic?

Does revering and enjoying an artist make him a racist?  Should he only sing the edited version for you so the Thought Police don't brand him a racist?

ijohnb

April 26th, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^

think the point is, white people don't get a say in whether it is or is not acceptable to use the N word with or in front of black people, for any reason.  It doesn't matter that black people say it.  It doesn't matter that Dr. Dre says it.  None of that matters.  All that white people need to know is that it isn't OK for white people to say it.   Case closed.

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gmoney41

April 26th, 2018 at 12:06 PM ^

I personally hate the word so I won’t use, whether quoting rap lyrics or anything else. My ex wife is black and I never used that word around her. She in turn never called me whitey, or spic since I’m hispanic but look white. Racism works both ways, and I hate to say it but it’s funny that it seems to be only white people getting called racists even though I hear far more racially charged language toward white people than the other way around, yet it seems that type of racism is not viewed in the same way when it’s just as offensive.

ijohnb

April 26th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^

view white racism toward black people and black racism toward white people as equal is to ignore the very ulgy history of our country's treatment of black people and other minority groups for nearly 200 years.  Neither "version" of racism is a good thing, but they are not the same thing.

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gmoney41

April 26th, 2018 at 1:24 PM ^

Racism in general is wrong, period, never in my post did I say they were equal by the way. I just find it funny that one form of racism, like racism towards white people is tossed off as funny and less offensive than racism towards black people. Both are wrong and help divide us instead of bringing us together. I’m pretty thick skinned, and played college basketball, and being a hispanic that looks white caused a lot of very racist jibes towards me. I’m not easily offended, but I could see how it could hurt others. No one gets a pass on being a racist is all I’m trying to say. History doesn’t excuse racism either.

CJW3

April 26th, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^

Racism does not work both ways. Getting called whitey is not the same as being lynched, being enslaved, being shot while unarmed, being denied access to loans, being paid less being passed over for promotion, being considered less human etc.  Racism is academically defined as systemic oppression of a minority group by a majority group. It does not work both ways.

gmoney41

April 26th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

Give me a break man, we are never going to get anywhere as a civilization unless we start treating everyone with respect. I don’t care what the academic definition is,it doesn’t excuse judging people by what color skin they have, or getting free reign to bash a race because of some perceived privilege they have. Using this logic will only keep us divided, which is exactly what those in power want. All I know is at the end of the day, as a father of a biracial kid, I have heard nasty things from whites and blacks, so to me, I do look at it as simply racism. If you want to use your academic terms fine, then we will call it bigotry and not racism, but the end result is the fucking same. Like I teach my son, treat people with respect, don’t judge anyone until you really know them, and never engage in bigotry or racism.

ijohnb

April 26th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^

is not really even a widely accepted academic definition that he uses.  Clearly most or all scholars accept the idea that racism, in practice, often results in a majority oppresing a minority but that is certainly not the "definition" of racism.  Racism can and does sometimes exist without any discriminatory impact.  

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gmoney41

April 26th, 2018 at 1:51 PM ^

I agree man, but that guys straw man argument has to be rebuffed. For his sake I used the term bigotry, but regardless, I am not a fan of racism or bigotry. It’s not right when anyone is engaged in that behavior, regardless of whatever happened to them or their ancestors in the past.

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CJW3

April 26th, 2018 at 1:59 PM ^

That is the academic definition of racism for anyone working in sociology, history etc.  Racism is distinct from bigotry and prejudice which exist at an individual level.

CJW3

April 26th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

That's cool that you don't care about academic definitions.  I also say "fuck people who study things" quite often.  No doubt, being mean to white people is "not nice" or whatever.  The point is, Black people experienced and continue to experience disproportionate amounts of discrimination from major social institutions. White people do not and have not.  

I do agree that racsim has been used as a tool by the propertied classes to divide the working classes, however, denying the oppressioin black americans face today will not help the case of minorities, or of the working class as a whole.

gmoney41

April 26th, 2018 at 2:32 PM ^

Good lord man, i never said fuck people who study things. You are too much man. Don’t get your feelings so hurt, as I even mentioned the word bigotry to substitute for racism to appease your genius mind. The bottom line to this whole argument, is the racism and bigotry is wrong, period. Understanding your history and what happened to those in the past is very important, but using as a crutch and an excuse to be a bigot is not acceptable.

Blueblood2991

April 26th, 2018 at 2:28 AM ^

I agree. His teammate slept with his girlfriend. He was betrayed by two people who were supposed to be closest to him.

Was it a case of him trying to find the most hurtful word to try and get back at him, and it was a one time deal? Or does he have racist tendencies and this was just the only time he got caught? None of us know him, so only his teammates can make that call. I heard a rumor that they voted him back unanimously, but obviously can't confirm that.

It doesn't make what he said any less reprehensible, but MSUs LB corps should be a strength for next season even without him, he would still need NCAA approval for a 6th year, and he hasn't played a snap since '16. Seems like a lot of risk for little reward if the team wasn't ok with it.

Mr Miggle

April 26th, 2018 at 8:34 AM ^

better than most MSU tries for. He had a high ankle sprain as a true freshman, so that looks like a medical redshirt. He only played two games in 2016 before missing the season with another injury. 

They'll probably find a way to ask for a 7th season in 2019.

Yooper

April 26th, 2018 at 1:25 AM ^

agree that WTF Dantonio? It is sad that a disregard for standards of decency is not punished. In a just world nobody goes to MSU. By using the “it is up to the players” Dantonio is saying (and orchestrating) a return for this asshole. It has been talked about on so many levels it is hard to support on any level taking back a racist if the team votes yes. That Dantonio puts it on the then players to speaks volume on how this program has compromised any semblance of integrity. That Dantonio would even consider this is reprehensible I

fishgoblue1

April 26th, 2018 at 6:37 AM ^

That is a narrow view.  I think this is the right move by MD.  If he reinstates him, it may cause friction with the team.  If the team votes to allow him back, they will more than likely except him.  You have no idea if he is a racist or just said something in the heat of the moment, but his teammates do know him, so if they want him on their team, good for them.  If not, good for them.

Grampy

April 26th, 2018 at 7:21 AM ^

Seeing someone else in binary terms is also a convenient and comforting pattern with which to sort people. A 20 or 21 year old male playing a violent and highly tribal game (and I’m not ruling out the use of steroids, either) discovers he is being cuckolded by a teammate. He lashes out with intent to hurt and is smitten down by collective, and presumably self-righteous, judgement. It seems reasonable to give him another chance and if his former teammates agree, who are we to pass judgement? Forgiveness is a form of suspending judgement and is part of our better angels.