Counter Point to the Prevailing Board Views re: Our Head Football Coach and AD

Submitted by HChiti76 on February 1st, 2023 at 1:09 AM

“Jane, you ignorant slut!”

For the last couple of weeks, there have been countless posts about our head football coach and our AD. These seem to be the consensus views on this Board:

1. It is essential that M offer an extension to JH because of 2024 recruiting. 

2. All this NFL talk re: Harbaugh was nonsense. 

3.  An extension with more $$ & a larger buyout will insure JH will stay at Michigan after this year. 

4. Everything is the AD’s fault. 

IMO, there are serious flaws with the logic and reasoning on all four points. 
 
1. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the extension JH signed last year go past the 2024 season? Furthermore, the damage to 2023 & maybe, 2024 recruiting is not a result of a contract issue. It is the direct result of JH’s dalliances with the NFL the last two years  

2. All of the reporting re: JH having interest in the NFL the last two years was accurate. He did fly to Minnesota, interview, and said that he would have accepted the HC position if offered. This year, he spoke with Carolina, then, Denver, and, then, inexplicably, after stating that he was staying, welcomed the Denver owner to AA for a face to face meeting and interview. 

3.  A contract extension with a larger buyout will have zero impact on JH’s decision to leave for the NFL. An NFL team that really wants him will have no problem forking over the $$ to get him. And don’t come back with some suggestion of a ridiculously high buyout amount. JH won’t sign that. No top college head coach would. 

4. The situation over the last two years was entirely JH’s fault. JH has not only entertained NFL offers, he has been dishonest throughout the process. He had that Albom interview after the Vikings turned him down saying he was here to stay and forever done with the NFL. That turned out to be patently false.

He then sent out that tweet after talking with Ono and a week later, met with the Denver owner. Once again, he was dishonest. If his tweet was the truth, all he had to do was tell the Denver owner no thanks, don’t come to AA, I’m staying at Michigan, I’m not going to talk with you. BUT HE DIDN’T DO THAT! His actions completely undermined the credibility of his earlier tweet.

As for our AD, this idea that he mishandled, mistreated and “insulted” JH is totally hogwash.

Fact #1-In any of the big time programs we compete with, JH would have been fired either before 2020 or shortly thereafter. You think Ohio State would have retained a head coach who was 0-5 vs us, 3-3 vs MSU, 1-4 in bowls and zero B1G championships? All of the other top Power 5 schools would have fired a head coach with that record.

Our AD should be commended for sticking with him, while formulating a reasonable revised contract that was heavily performance based. He accomplished something no major program AD has done recently. He got the head coach to take a pay cut, but gave him the opportunity to make the same amount of $$ with incentives. And, he, unlike all the “experts”, accurately gauged the lack of NFL interest with JH at that time. I would argue that he lit a fire under JH. JH has certainly been a different coach since then.

JH has been an outstanding coach the last two years, resulting in the best back to back seasons since the days of Yost and Crisler. And, not to take anything away from the 1997 NC team, but, if the last two teams played under the 1997 rules, they would have been 11-1 & 12-0 playing Utah both years in the Rose Bowl, who they probably would have beaten, and, at worse, been #2 both years with the possibility of a co-NC one or both of those years. Both years would have ended on a positive note with a bowl victory  

But both years, JH ruined the off season and recruiting by his NFL dalliances. And, even if the NCAA situation is total BS, it was certainly not a result of anything the AD did or didn’t do. One more headache JH has added to the mess. All of this together, all 100% the direct results of JH’s actions, have negatively affected recruiting. 

And, sadly, this will go on every single offseason until JH ends up back in the NFL. What the AD should be doing now is assessing potential HC replacements for the inevitability of JH’s departure.

I am happy he is here for at least one more year. This may be the most talented team we have had since 1997. We have a legitimate chance at a NC and when I look at the other contenders, I think we should be the favorite. I look forward to another 13-0 season, a win in the semifinal and an appearance in the NC game. Then, we can say goodbye to JH when he most certainly finally returns to the NFL, thank him for the greatest three consecutive years of Michigan football in over a century, and, then, we will find out whether our AD can make the right decision for his successor. GO BLUE!!

tybert

February 1st, 2023 at 12:54 PM ^

Looking at the three key people here: Santa, JH, Warde - and judging them for the totality of the circumstances, this is my take:

Santa: A+ person, A+ performance. I remember during my career (retired after 35+ years) that the best situation as a leader was to walk in where the previous leader was a buffoon. That way, even if you are just better than average, you look like a star to your team. Santa is a star in his own right, but looks like GOAT compared to Schlissel! What makes a great leader is they take action if they see others standing around letting the walls crumble down. Even if JH went to Santa over Warde's head, Santa didn't do the "work it out with your boss first" passing the buck like no-performance-reviews-in-6-years Schlissel.

JH: I do agree he deserved a hit in salary after 2020 (though, I too, think 2020 was really a no-season, but how the team folded looked really bad on JH). He got overpaid based on expected results for 2015-2019 so some adjustment was probably needed after that 2019 season, but Covid slammed the brakes on everything in March 2020. Didn't like his shopping with the NFL after 2021, but figured this was his ego trip for Warde making him walk the plank for a new deal after 2020. This latest run with the NFL? I think this is mostly an indictment against Warde's management style. Not that I like his shopping around, but any of you whoever had to deal with someone (spouse, friend, etc.) who you feel is stringing you along or playing mind games with you, it's pretty human to want to dish it back out against them. The guy owns his underachievement (at times) from 2015-19. But 25-3 and two manball with longball (WIDE OPEN!) mixed in routs of Ohio have made him into one of the top 5 coaches in CFB. Look at his track record vs. Dabo (exclude our 2020 season) and it looks similar enough for the first 5 seasons. We need to make him an offer better than Frames and Chop-Chop Mel. 

Warde: Really liked the guy for the most part through 2020. No major scandals under his watch (Dr. Anderson was long before his time) through that time. While I thought he could have been better prepared for JB's departure to the Cavs, it is hard to have someone ready to jump to your program in April. The jury is still out on Juwan but willing to let this one ride another year or two. Bakich leaving wasn't good but B1G is not ready to compete for salaries in CBB. What really disappointed me to the point of embarrassment was how he handled the Pearson situation. It wasn't until details leaked out through the media about the external report into the hockey program. He was saying how he expected Mel to be back while knowing what was in the report. This was a NO BRAINER in this era to remove someone like Mel with that many issues in the program. The latest issue with JH is well past burned bridges time - maybe in November they could have reworked a better deal. But once this got public, someone had to go and most of us will choose JH. If what JUB says is true (JH and Warde exchanged words unpleasantly in May and haven't talked since), then the least important person must leave.

Blue Balls Afire

February 1st, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^

Honestly, I’m confounded by the level of hate the OP is getting. He stated an opinion and gave his reasoning. By all means disagree with it if you’re so inclined, but the personal attacks and the piling on is just over the top. 

MichaelCarras

February 1st, 2023 at 5:31 PM ^

"Fact #1-In any of the big time programs we compete with, JH would have been fired either before 2020 or shortly thereafter. You think Ohio State would have retained a head coach who was 0-5 vs us, 3-3 vs MSU, 1-4 in bowls and zero B1G championships? All of the other top Power 5 schools would have fired a head coach with that record."

 

Harbaugh's Sagarin  Ratings from 2015-2019: 9, 3, 26, 6, 12 

Average Ranking :11.2

 

Nick Saban at LSU from 2000-2004 : 31, 11, 28, 1,  18

Average Ranking : 17.8

 

No college in the country would have fired Harbaugh after 2019 after taking the program from the doghouse to one of the best Power Five records. Not Alabama. Not Georgia. No one.   The idea he did a bad job or underperformed is one of the most meatheaded sports takes the average meathead fan has. Was Nick Saban on the hot seat? Harbaugh did a better job at Michigan his first five years than Saban did his five years  at LSU. That is a fact. Nick Saban got the Dolphins job after LSU.