jabberwock

June 5th, 2015 at 9:29 AM ^

The word " idiot " was once used to describe the developmentally disabled.

Society rightfully found new words to describe those people and conditions and "idiot" was consigned to the archaic, yet humorous insult pile.
Where it now lives happily.

"retarded" has been laying on this same heap for over 30 years . . . it just needs some more seasoning to loose it's lingering offensiveness.

LBSS

June 5th, 2015 at 9:49 AM ^

This is a specious argument. The fact that the meaning of words changes over time does not negate their meaning at any given time. The word "gay" used to mean "happy." Now it can either be an inoffensive word describing a group of people who are sexually attracted to people of the same gender, or it can be a general insult that, by the nature of its use as an insult, denigrates that group of people. It's not okay to call something "gay" when you mean it's stupid or worthless, because the associated meaning is that you think gay people are lame or not worth liking.

People with disabilities, generally speaking, find the use of the word "retarded" to be offensive for much the same reason. When you say something is "retarded," what you are implying is that people with disabilities are stupid or worthless. Whether YOU think that's what you mean or not is entirely beside the point. 

For a much more extreme example of someone getting this principle really, really wrong, see Tom Hanks's kid's recent attempts to defend his personal use of "nigger." 

Gulogulo37

June 5th, 2015 at 11:14 AM ^

"When you say something is "retarded," what you are implying is that people with disabilities are stupid or worthless."

So are mentally retarded people actually highly intelligent instead? I don't use retarded mainly because it's just going to cause comments like yours, but it's hard to find something wrong with it. IQ is a bell curve. People at the lowest end are mentally retarded. People not quite that low are stupid. But for some reason, saying something is stupid is OK, but retarded isn't. It's odd when you think about it. If you're just pretty dumb, then it's no problem referring to something like that and you get no protections or sympathy. But if you're really retarded, then anyone who mentions a word referring to being retarded is hateful.

jabberwock

June 5th, 2015 at 12:23 PM ^

what the word "seasoning" means.  (hint: it doesn't involve spices).

I hardly need reminding how the word gay has been historically and currently used.
It's derogatory meaning is far more recent than "retarded".
 

Further; many people describe themselves as gay, and certainly don't imply anything negative to to the word while doing it.  The whole point of the "thats so gay" campaign is to stop using a commonly accepted (and self-ascribed word) in a negative connotation.

Do you think there's anyone in America that is walking up to a parent with a Down Syndrome child and saying "oh, what a cute little retard you have".?  We're way past that.

Retarded is considered an insult already and I don't think society is going to change it's mind on that.  I hope that anyone sensitive to developmentaly disabled labels see's the word as a historical embarassment that is quickly disappearing in the rearview window.

I think you're fighting a battle you've thankfully already won.

LBSS

June 5th, 2015 at 2:07 PM ^

See I don't think the fight has been won. Just as it hasn't been "won" with using the word gay as an insult. In both cases, a lot of people in the groups that those words also describe* are offended by the usage. IBecause those groups are oppressed -- and they are -- use of the word as person in the dominant group perpetuates their oppression. Using the word in a belittling or insulting way helps to devalue those groups. If you can use a different word, that doesn't belittle anyone, why not use it instead?

For what it's worth, I'm guilty of using "retarded" as an insult, although I try not to. I have a good friend who is a special ed teacher. I dropped "retarded" in conversation with him a couple months ago, to describe my bosses, and he called me out on it. Rightly so. 

*I meant to point  in my last post out that psychiatrists and other doctors still use "mentally retarded" (more frequently just "MR") in a clinical sense, to mean someone who is developmentally delayed or disabled. So it is quite unlike the word idiot in terms of having moved into pure insult territory.

MGoManBall

June 5th, 2015 at 8:29 AM ^

People aren't lining up to "hack" people's twitters. I promise that. If he had tweeted something like "Check out this one weird trick I used to gain muscle!" with a strange link, then ya... he probably got hacked. 

But you don't get to say you got hacked just because you're an asshole. 

hvsiii

June 5th, 2015 at 8:31 AM ^

When I say something stupid to people in person, I claim aliens took over my brain and made me say it.  It works 98.99% of the time.

Everyone Murders

June 5th, 2015 at 8:37 AM ^

Given the ... sincerity of his apology, it seems like we're the ones who should be forgiving him.

(Has an apology ever been so clearly drafted by an administrator or university legal staff member since the dawn of writing?)

 

Everyone Murders

June 5th, 2015 at 8:42 AM ^

Grammar is the least offensive thing about Jones's tweets.  That medium does not really demand proper grammar.  (I realize you're likely referencing Jones's "ain't come to play school" statement, which is for the ages.)

But man, the difference in grammar between Jones's initial tweets and the canned and ghost-written apology is ... stark.

LSAClassOf2000

June 5th, 2015 at 11:24 AM ^

That's the thing that got me about the claim that it was hacked - the difference in style between the tweets themselves and the apology is such that I think anyone would have the gravest difficulty believing Jones here. If he someone else was on his account, it seems more plausible that they wrote the apology for him. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't buy it in this case...hardly ever really. 

mexwolv

June 5th, 2015 at 8:41 AM ^

The mispelling and impromer use of contractions, verbs, and whatever else there is to use wrong on these tweets.  I think it must be a cool and trendy thing for kids nowadays, but really?  It almost feels like reading a tweet out of a 5 year old.   Just so annoying.  I am not an native english speaker by the way.