FSUBulldog

November 9th, 2019 at 4:42 PM ^

So far so good for Fleck. He will become impressive when he can sustain success. A big year at a G5 and a mid P5 team is good. When he leaves or turns Minne into a contender and teams prepare well and get hyped to play his teams. If he still has success then he will be impressive. Jury is still out on Fleck.

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Tuebor

November 9th, 2019 at 6:44 PM ^

He came up with it as way to cope with losing his son Colt soon after he was born.  He turned his grief into a program changing mantra that worked at WMU and looks to be working at Minnesota.

 

If that doesnt change your heart on "row the boat" i dont know what else will.

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Bo Harbaugh

November 9th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

They got all the pass interference penalties we should have gotten.  B1G refs really have issues.  I hate Pedo State, but the conference has essentially come down to 

1) OSU being more talented than any other team and the only legit upset you will see in conference play

2) Mediocre teams beating good teams when playing at home and getting 3 or 4 calls from the refs

 

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MadMonkey

November 9th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

It will be an interesting game in Indianapolis.   Although OSU looks unstoppable.  Hopefully, Harbaugh, Gattis, and Brown are dreaming up some ninja-shit to take down the Buckeyes ala 1969

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Bo Harbaugh

November 9th, 2019 at 4:15 PM ^

We lost in one of the toughest environments in college football to play in, night game at Pedo State....after the refs gifted them a 21-7 lead.  Should have been 14-10 worst case.  Then we even had a chance to tie at the end, but had a drop in the end zone.

The Gophers held on to beat this same team at home in the biggest game they've had in the past 25 years?

Transitive property does not work in football...but if these two results led you to believe "Although they would beat us like a drum this year", you're probably not very good at math.

 

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AlbanyBlue

November 9th, 2019 at 6:15 PM ^

Michwolve's post was better....up until the "Dawn" thing anyway.

Your post, not so much.

But eh, MW is probably right about us winning at home. I'm just frustrated about seeing a good offense that we clearly don't have, run with lesser talent. I'm frustrated about our lack of player development on offense and the lack of a scheme that gives our players the best chance to succeed. Watching Minnesota -- that's what player development and good scheme look like.

As far as math, yeah, I'm pretty good at it. A QB throwing for 300 and a top WR with 7 catches in 7 targets and 200+ yards. That's pretty unfamiliar around these parts.

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BlueMk1690

November 9th, 2019 at 4:06 PM ^

Nah, he's the great pretender of college football. This is a Big Ten West payoff year with lots of returning starters and a ton of easy games. It's like those occasional Iowa runs really. It's not like Kirk Ferentz is some all-world coach in those and then an OK coach in their other typical 7-5 season. In a weak division of a conference, you can align things just right for these runs.

I will qualify this by saying that Kirk Ferentz is a solid coach, and so is PJ Fleck but this season will inevitably make him look like something he isnt..i.e. the next Meyer or Saban. And PJ would do well to accept the paycheck someone will wave at him after this year.

 

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Bo Harbaugh

November 9th, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^

PSU is not OSU.  PSU is essentially Michigan.  Only 1 team in the B1G is good enough to win tough road games while also getting screwed by refs and having the breaks go against them....that's OSU.  A solid B1G team (Minnesota this year, Iowa, MSU years past, Indiana, Wisconsin) can beat good and more talented teams when playing at home quite often.  

UM and PSU are the 2nd most talented teams in the conference, but they are very beatable on the road against average to good teams.  The disparity in talent and coaching in not that apparent to make up for "any given Saturday"

OSU is talented and runs a football factory, and most impervious to these types of upsets, but, still, they've managed to shit a game away every year the past decade or so....Hence, Meyer only winning 1 National Title at OSU.  They probably could have won 1 or 2 more national titles given the talent they had...but shit happens. Hell, even Maryland almost beat OSU last year.  B1G is hard to predict.

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NittanyFan

November 9th, 2019 at 6:19 PM ^

Good post.  Consider these groups:

B1G Group 1: Ohio State

B1G Group 2: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin

B1G Group 3: Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern

Now, here are some statistics from the 2016-2019 seasons:

Ohio State is 3-1 on the road against Group 1.  They've won in all 3 stadiums.  

Group 2, however, is a combined 0-4 on the road against Ohio State.  And a combined 0-9 (!!!!!) as a road team in games against each other.

Group 2 will generally win on the road against Group 3.  Everyone has won at least once at MSU (a combined 4-1 record), everyone has won at least once at Northwestern, 2 of the 3 have won at Iowa (combined 4-1 record) and 2 of the 3 have won at Minnesota.

Until proven otherwise, there is Ohio State and everybody else.  You become elite by winning huge road games.  Only OSU really does that.

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