Bad news: Wiltfong puts in CB for Spindler to ND with 7 Confidence
Was looking for news on his commitment coming up. Not the news I wanted to see
https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Rocco-Spindler-at-Clarkston-208834/CurrentExpertPredictions/
Yeah, this kind of felt like what was coming. Bummer...Now go close on Kendall, Edwards, and Benny.
and Rooks
O Cleats!
Since Brian Kelley is such a fine, upstanding individual.
at least he isn't wearing his cleats on the oak floors crg!
Severe bummer.
But if they land Drew Kendall, it's not much of a miss. Spindler was the #3 OG in his class, #48 overall. Kendall is the #8 OG, #126 overall. He's an excellent, excellent prospect. Hope he comes if Spindler is out.
The rankings are lying on this one. There is a much bigger difference at G between the two than 5 spots.
Thanks!!!
I mean, says you, right? OL are very hard to evaluate. Getting the #8 guy at his position nationally is outstanding. Kendall's father was also an NFL player, a first round draft pick. Rivals has Spindler #3 at OG, #56 nationally, and Kendall #4 and #65 nationally. It's a loss on the trail, no doubt. But if they land Kendall, it's still an outstanding result at the position.
And quick reminder that Michigan has the #2 and #4 Offensive Centers in the class in Raheem Anderson and Greg Crippen. One of those presumably moves to guard. And they have the #11 Offensive tackle in Giovanni El-Haddi, plus lottery ticket enormous guy Tristan Bounds (for whom they beat ND). The OL class will be one of the best in the country if they land Kendall.
Yeah Kendall is still a great prospect if he becomes the back up plan. I just really think this might affect the recruitment of Edwards in a negative way. He knows Rocco and Dillinger very well and in my opinion was speaking about them when he said he was waiting to see if any "ballers" were going to join our class before he committed. If we lose out on both of those top in state guys, I'm much less confident, even if the drop off in terms of ranking between Kendall and Spindler isn't that far off. Maybe momentum shifts again throughout the week but certainly disappointing.
I think you're right, and I think if Spindler came to Michigan it would help a great deal with Edwards. But even here I wouldn't get to concerned. I think if they land Kendall, the staff can spin that as a "baller" player pretty easily, roughly equivalent to Rocco.
And I think what Edwards was getting at was ballers/players that can help win championships. Michigan will certainly have that - if they get Kendall, Benny, Rooks on top of Worthy committing since he said that, you've got the class you need. I mean especially on OL, see my comment above - one of the best in the country.
Drew Kendall is a pretty dang good Plan B.
Not worried about the OL whatsoever with the way Warinner has been coaching and developing. Probably the position group along with WR I’m most secure with.
It genuinely baffles me how someone can fall for ND's recruiting pitch of "look at all of our lineman in the NFL, none of which Jeff Quinn has coached" when Warinner just sent got 4 of his 5 lineman drafted and Mayfield is a projected early round pick.
Hopefully we can get Kendall as a back up
It is interesting though that Wiltfong is the only crystal ball. So either he has intel that none of the other team specific analysts have or he's just riding the most recent ND crystal balls. Hopefully it's the latter and no other ND CB's will come in
I’ve wanted Kendall since May when he originally was going to commit. Mass to Ann Arbor will continue in flocks.
This argument is a Michigan’s fan biased argument.
Quinn coached the Kelce brothers and Joe Staley.
ND also currently has 4 of the top 30 ranked returning OL in the entire country and all 4 are expected to be drafted next year. And two others who aren’t eligible next year are ranked top 10 in their class and expected to be high drafts the next year. The OL is ranked #1 by multiple outlets. All coaches by Quinn.
Thats the message ND is selling Spindler on Quinn.
As far as Wiltfong, nationally the feeling is that the UM staff is “hoping” and the ND staff is “confident” on landing Spindler. So that is driving the picks right now.
Wouldn't there be the same argument for Warriner though? Except with Warriner, there are not as many projections. Warriner coached several high draft picks with OSU, got 4 lineman drafted in the 2020 draft (including a first rounder) and has another lineman who is projected to be a first rounder.
I'm not saying Quinn isn't a good coach or doesn't have accomplishments; its just that Warriner has as many or more accomplishments.
Lol did you really just use sophomores who haven't played who were highly ranked as evidence that Quinn is a good coach?
Now do who Ed Warinner has coached... I'll wait
Notre Dame fans don’t even defend Jeff Quinn so I’m not really sure why you are. If you look at it Quinn has been under scrutiny by ND fans and outlets throughout his tenure.
I can’t imagine that telling a recruit that you coached guys who all got drafted 10 + years ago means all that much. I mean it’s good but the obvious question is what happened over the last decade with the guys you coached?
Notre Dame’s line was dog shit last year. They were mediocre against all the week teams and crapped their pants against the only good defenses they played (Georgia and Michigan).
I wouldn’t overthink this - Rocco can start at ND as a freshman but will proxy have to sit at Michigan for 2 years. I don’t blame a guy for wanting to play early for a good team. In fact, it is puzzling to me how OSU can have 5 ⭐️ on the 3rd string. Some of these guys would be the best player on a different P5 team.
Would those be the 4 OLs who hung a whopping 14 points on Michigan last year-with half of those coming on a criminally egregious PI call???
Very frustrating that even in years with strong in state classes we aren't landing a higher percentage of top guys. I can understand going to Bama, but ND...we beat them last year.
I know the sky isn't falling and this is just one guy, but the star average of the last three classes is not good enough to get to where we want to be. We'll never overcome the OSU issue unless we close the talent gap and it's getting worse. We already appear to be at a schematic disadvantage.
I want to believe things are trending in the right direction with JH, but I'm just not seeing the evidence. He can't retain our best recruiters and we continue to struggle at higher rates with ranked teams. At what point is 3 or more losses not good enough? It's better than Hoke and RR, but doesn't seem enough to keep the fanb happy long term.
Michigan is about to go 0-for-Spindler & Edwards.
Why do you think we are losing Edwards?
He would have committed by now. OSU was his first choice, but he got left out in the cold when Henderson and Pryor committed. I don't think UM is/was his top choice, so it's anybody's game at this point. Not saying you'll lose him, but he certainly doesn't seem thrilled to join the class.
He might have wanted to go to OSU (though I swear I hear this argument a ton from fanbases across the board), but of the 5 RBs who are in the top 100 overall, only two have committed despite crystal balls being 100% for the other two non-committed guys. I think people get too caught up in trying to divine "excitement" based on when a guy commits.
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Edwards was the #1 back on OSU's board at the beginning of the cycle, along with Henderson and Pryor. They were pretty upfront about wanting to take two backs this year, and TH and EP just happened to pull the trigger before Edwards did. Obviously I have no insight as to what he is thinking right now, but you'd think if UM was his #2 choice, he would have committed by now.
He's a great player, I wish him luck wherever he ends up.
makes sense... he didn't bother to commit to his #1 but he should have committed to his #2 by now. Must mean he really wanted to go to #1 but isn't thrilled by #2.
Maybe the dude wants to work on his own timeline and he isn't going to let any school dictate when he has to commit.
The reason UofM is back at the top of the mix is because they said take as much time as you want because you will always have a roster spot with us. He didn’t commit to OSU because he wanted to wait. He hasn’t committed to UofM because he wants to wait. Nothing else.
Yeah the part of the story Buckeye boy is ommiting is that Edwards felt Day was deceptive with him. Told him he was their #1 RB, then told him to commit. Edwards said I'm not ready, if I'm your top guy, you'll wait for me. Day said nah
Spindler seems like a very bright, hard working young man. Can't believe he wants to play for 'ol purple face in the ACC. Gotta believe he's gonna make the right call and Go Blue.
The flip side is that the ACC is an easier "conference" for them. Aside from Clemson, no real challenges as of now.
If that were the case why wouldn't more players flock to the north or the PAC 12 instead of the SEC...
This is a big bummer but I was really hoping to get Spindler as a DT and that didn't seem like it was going to happen even if we landed him. Our OL is stacked with good prospects at both guard and tackle so losing him is more a blow to the image than it will be on the field in my opinion.
Feels like this has been trending this way for a while. Also have to remember that ND has put several OL into the first round the last few years, several of which are already having great starts to their careers, and they don’t run into the predictable and demoralizing OSU buzzsaw to end their season that we do every single year. There’s a lot of reasons for him to consider ND.
I've known that we wanted Spindler and Dillenger for 2 1/2 years. It's really disappointing that we didn't land either of them. I get that we're competing against [140?] other schools, but it is annoying that people say Michigan has to recruit nationally because our state is talent weak and then we whiff on most of the top guys. Oh, and F the Irish. To hell with ND.
The staff really needs to get better at getting commitments from top 100 kids and top rated instate kids. Notre Dame doesn't have bagmen or let in kids with lower academic qualifications or any of the normal excuses. The staff just plain has trouble recruiting elite guys. Make it up with Wheatley and hire him back from Howard University because what we are doing ain't working.
Never say never , but at this time this is a huge swing in the wrong direction.
How are you supposed to build a program long term when you can't close on the best guys in your own state
Taken off the 247 composite:
2020: #2, #4, #6
2019: An Admittedly odd year, but #4 and #7
2018: #1, #4, #5
2017: #'s 1-6 and #8 - Might serve as a counterpoint that nailing down instate may not always be the panacea people seem to claim it is.
In 2021 so far: #4 and #7, with good shots at #2 and #6 and apparently just missing out on #3 to a good program that Michigan goes up against for Midwest players a lot.
Could it be better, sure, but for the most part it seems like they pull in the guys they need to. Has anyone in the past few classes outside of Logan Brown and Julian Barnett felt like a gigantic loss where the staff wasn't able to bring in another player of similar or better pedigree?
Dobbs, Julian Barnett, Logan Brown, Justin Rogers, Garrett Dellinger, Damon Payne, Rocco Spindler since 2019. I am not saying that Michigan should land every player they want instate but there have certainly been a lot of misses.
Were Dobbs and Rogers really misses? I Dunno.
Payne wasn't coming to Michigan no way no how and Dellinger was a late arrival to the state. I don't know that counting them against the staff is really all that fair in terms of the whole in-state thing. I know everyone wants to freak out about in-state recruiting, but I just don't see it as being an existential crisis.
August 5th, 2020 at 12:30 AM ^
That’s an extremely mediocre record and includes getting the top guy in the state twice in five years.
Recruiting at the 8-10 level nationally is good if you accept Michigan isn’t an elite blue blood football program that will regularly compete for championships. Which is fine but if that is what we are going to be might as well not pay a guy to be a top 3 coach when he performs like a top 15 coach
Recruiting at the 8-10 range should yield better results. We have one top ten finish in five years and those were primarily Hoke recruits.
What does "7 confidence" mean? 7 out of 10? 7 out of 7? And if it's 7/10, how does that compare?
7/10. Not sure I have seen many people put out a 9 or 10 unless is a homerun pick but 7, especially from Wiltfong is very likely in my opinion. Only hope is that things change from now till Saturday. Hoping Harbaugh has some magic left up his sleeve.
FUCK YOU ALL!!!
I don’t agree with that. Dillinger was never coming and I would bet (just an opinion) that the depth chart is the biggest reason Rocco would go to ND. Quicker path to the field.
Michigan has been full court on Edwards for a long time. I’m.m not saying he does commit to Michigan I’m just saying those other 2 going elsewhere doesn’t really have a big impact.
But what do I know?
I heard Harbaugh wore his cleats in the Spindler mansion.