Bo Harbaugh

July 25th, 2023 at 10:20 AM ^

Iowa being annoyingly good and All having 1000 yards receiving (or 80% of the teams entire passing game) in that offense wouldn't surprise me. Cade will be solid if they can protect him.

OSU needs to prove they can run the ball when needed.  They have the best receiving duo in the country, but they've had the best receiving trio in the country the past few years.  Add in breaking in a new QB and trying to fix a broken secondary...makes sense why UM would be the favorite.

PSU is formidable as well and it's a road game, but they lost a lot on defense and are also breaking in a new QB. Despite all the Clifford hate, he was tough as nails and never had a decent O-line.  If PSU's O-line is still bad, Allard might be broken by mid-season.

A lot can happen between opening day and November, but given we only have 1 real unkown (the second outside CB position), a healthy UM should be the favorite.

lhglrkwg

July 25th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^

I dunno. Cade is a good college QB, but he really needs a solid run game to support him. He had some bright spots in 2021, but largely it was the offense carrying the day and Cade supporting. Iowa was apparently 124th in rushing offense last year at 95 ypg. If that run game isn't fixed, Cade and Erick just aren't going to save that offense and Cade's going to be running for his life.

RONick

July 25th, 2023 at 11:23 AM ^

Counter point: Iowa had no threat through the air last year and teams were able to load up on the run.  Adding a competent QB and passing target all of a sudden puts more fear in the opposing DC, which should also open up some run lanes.  While I don't expect them to be world beaters, Iowa should be markedly better on offense next year. 

Assuming the defense remains stout, I would think that Iowa should be a contender, if not favored, for the West crown.

lhglrkwg

July 25th, 2023 at 1:23 PM ^

Counter counter point: Iowa always has great tight ends so Erick All doesn't change the equation much. And then the question is- is Cade significantly better than your average Iowa QB? Vs the guys they had last year, of course. But he's not striking the fear of god into any opposing DCs

Blau

July 25th, 2023 at 11:20 AM ^

Cade and Co. should do pretty well in the B1G West if Iowa's defense repeats as their usual stout self. Unfortunately for really any team from the B1G West they have to play the B1G East champ and history is not on their side. 

Wisky, Iowa, Minny, and maybe an upstart Nebraska should make that division a fun defensive battle but Mich, OSU, and PSU have just as good of defenses and the skill players on offense to make them a CFP threat. 

jwk899

July 25th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^

That he is.  He also listed Cade as a preseason Heisman candidate.  I don't care how good Cade is this year...he's still playing in a B. Ferentz milk toast offense with a very limited number of offensive weapons.  In his prime Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes aren't putting up Heisman caliber numbers in that offense.

jwk899

July 25th, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^

*the name of the character Caspar Milquetoast is inspired by the American dish milk toast, an extremely simple dish of sliced buttered toast with milk poured over it that is intended for people who are ill.

Both could apply to a B. Ferentz offense.  

St Joe Blues

July 25th, 2023 at 9:11 AM ^

It's nice to get the recognition, but I'd prefer if the media continued to doubt us and backed the Buckeyes. Not that Michigan needs to play with a chip on their shoulders (we've seen what happens with that - Denard nearly gets his head torn off, tunnel riots, etc). But it sure does feel good to prove critics wrong time and time again.

NotADuck

July 25th, 2023 at 9:25 AM ^

It's mostly because everyone knows that 2022 wasn't a fluke now.  Michigan has destroyed OSU both at home and on the road 2 years straight.  They've returned almost the entire roster AND The Game is in Ann Arbor this year.  Michigan should be the favorite.  No question.  If the media didn't lean this way, I would have been surprised.

jwk899

July 25th, 2023 at 9:32 AM ^

I agree with you.  I'll add another very important factor:  Michigan returns an experienced (and talented) QB.  OSU does not.  McCord has talent, but extremely limited game experience.  That early season game where OSU travels to South Bend will be one to watch.  It doesn't impact the B1G race, but it certainly could impact the CFB playoff.

Logan88

July 25th, 2023 at 10:03 AM ^

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I am not attempting to disrespect yours but this attitude feels eerily similar to what I would expect from an MSU fan re: Michigan. Two years ago, I might have shared your sentiment as UM needed to get over the mental hurdle of beating OSU, but now the goals should be more aspirational than just beating OSU.

Personally, I am expecting an 11-1 season from UM with a tough loss at PSU, a tough win against OSU, a Big 10 championship and, sadly, another disappointment in the playoffs.

Blau

July 25th, 2023 at 11:28 AM ^

If PSU stays healthy until that game, it should be a back and forth battle that could come down to the last possession. I don't know why but I'm getting the feeling that Frames uses this game as "save my ass" coaching job and pulls out a win in an extremely frustrating way. Hope I'm wrong and if I am, I think he gets the chop if he can't beat OSU or Mich this year assuming they can find a suitable replacement.

gruden

July 25th, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^

PSU will provide some resistance, but Harbaugh has Frames' number.  Frames needs a really smart coordinator with the brainpower to challenge M's brain trust, plus a generational player or two.  Their DC is pretty decent, but I don't think they're up to the task. 

I'm also skeptical as to whether Allar's production will exceed that of Clifford , at least for this season.  I think we'll all see what Clifford meant to the PSU teams the last couple years.  Allar has more raw talent, but Clifford had an indomitable will and grit.

JBLPSYCHED

July 25th, 2023 at 11:57 AM ^

I think the game at PSU will be tough as expected but then again we absolutely eviscerated their DL last year en route to rushing for 500+ yards. They were so beaten down that all Frames could say as he left the field was "We've gotta get stronger."

We might have SEVEN offensive linemen get drafted or signed as undrafted free agents next spring. So yes, it's a road game against the third best team in conference so by definition it will be tough. But it might not be all that close.

Ferg0dsakes

July 25th, 2023 at 9:32 AM ^

I always look at which West team ducks at least 2 of UofM, ohio, and/or Penn State as the front runner for the division.  Illinois ducked ohio & PSU last year, but couldn't quite close out the division.  This year Illinois & Iowa don't play the Wolverines or _uckeyes.  Wisconsin doesn't play the Wolverines or Lions.

mGrowOld

July 25th, 2023 at 9:36 AM ^

FWIW 92.3 The Fan here in Cleveland spent most of the morning talking about this and what it might possibly mean for Day's future at OSU should this actually happen........AGAIN.

While most dismissed the idea that Day could be fired if Michigan wins.....AGAIN....some werent so sure and many talked about the difference the two teams have at QB this year as being the big advantage Michigan holds.  

One interesting point was made I thought. One host said "It's not that OSU has gotten any worse, it's just that Michigan has gotten much, much better"

lilpenny1316

July 25th, 2023 at 10:00 AM ^

Day shouldn't be on the hot seat, just like Harbaugh shouldn't have been on the hot seat after the COVID year. You can't do any better than those two at their respective schools.

If OSU could've made one 4th Quarter stop in 2021, that game may have turned out differently. If HTTV 2023 cover doesn't happen in 2022, that game may have turned out differently. To put a coach on the hot seat for essentially four bad quarters of football is dumb.

Perkis-Size Me

July 25th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^

You’re not wrong at all, but it all goes to show how completely spoiled and entitled OSU has been and felt over the last two decades. Particularly the millennial/Gen-Z fans who grew up during the Tressel and Meyer Years, and have known nothing but dominance. To them, beating Michigan is not a goal to strive towards. It’s a birthright. If you lose to Michigan one time, it might as well be 10 times.

The one bad thing about winning all the time is that you have no idea how to handle and cope with losing. 

KBLOW

July 25th, 2023 at 11:05 AM ^

C'mon, man. The IF game is silly, but here are some counterpoint ifs.

In 2021, if Cade doesn't throw the worst INT of his career and we don't drop our own goal-line INT we win by even more. In 2022, if Corum isn't out and Edwards doesn't play with a cast we win by even more. 

MacaroniParty

July 25th, 2023 at 10:09 AM ^

Day will get canned after the season. Not because he loses to Michigan, but because of the way he loses to Michigan, again. 

I am fully of the belief that Michigan will dominate OSU on the lines and wear them down in another one sided run heavy win. With Michigan taking victory laps in the fourth quarter to cheers from the home crowd.

 

Bo Harbaugh

July 25th, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^

I agree.  I don't think Day's OSU is built to beat Harbaugh's UM if both teams play their best.

OSU is too pass heavy and focused on the development of skill positions above all else. UM is built from the inside out and that takes its toll, specifically at the last game of the season where everyone is dinged up.

OSU is probably the better built team for bowl season (history backs this up), after a month to heal up and start flinging the ball around in domes and 75 degree weather.   

lhglrkwg

July 25th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^

I suppose OSU hasn't technically gotten worse recently, but Michigan has masterfully exposed 2 big weaknesses in Day's program

  1. Run game has basically evaporated
  2. They can move the ball between the 20s, but if you sit back you can force them into field goals because of issue #1

Buffalowing Blue

July 25th, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^

Lets say Day loses to Michigan again this year, which should happen.  An osu has to keep him because they'll be in the playoff every year after this season.  It will kill their fans to lose to Michigan but as long as they compete with Bama or UGA thats all that matters right?  Unlesssssss they start meeting up with Michigan in the playoffs. Losing to Michigan in the playoffs would get Day fired.

Blau

July 25th, 2023 at 11:36 AM ^

It's true that Mich is finally on the same level as OSU and with that come increased expectations. I, for one, welcome the top dog status and believe the team does as well. Coaches and players will always find a way to embrace an underdog mentality but the bad taste from the dog fart performance against TCU should be enough to keep an eye on the prize. 

It's also going to be a slow week or two around the office and this time of year sucks before fall camp arrives.

JBLPSYCHED

July 25th, 2023 at 12:04 PM ^

That is indeed an interesting point mGrow...but IMHO OSU has gotten worse. They lost a two year starter/2nd pick in the NFL draft at QB and will be breaking in a talented but mostly untested QB this year. By the time they come to Ann Arbor that new QB will have a season's worth of experience, of course, but zero experience with The Game on his shoulders.

Second, the mental toll of consecutive beat-down losses to Michigan is wearing on them, even if they insist that history is history and they're all focused on the game in front of them. To me that also qualifies as a way in which they are worse in comparison with their pre-2021 game super confident selves.