March 12th, 2020 at 11:11 PM ^
Should be all Michigan “schools” closed.
March 13th, 2020 at 12:15 AM ^
I was about to say I appreciate the aggressive responses around the country but closing the entire state of Michigan seems a tad harsh.
For now.
He never completed school.
March 13th, 2020 at 10:14 AM ^
Just because you got your Grade 10 you think you're hot stuff, with your book learning!
March 12th, 2020 at 11:12 PM ^
Most schools the last week was already spring break. But not mine. So I'm off for a month after tomorrow, but might call in anyway. I've got what I think (and my pulmonologist agrees) is an asthma flare up. But not sure there's any sense risking it.
In Michigan, the K-12 spring break is in three weeks.
It's uniform by county, not across the whole state. In Ann Arbor, for example, spring break was scheduled to run from March 30 through April 3, but the Plymouth-Canton spring break was scheduled to start the following week (April 6 - 10).
March 12th, 2020 at 11:19 PM ^
Great time to plan a vaca.....fuck ?
Darn, I'll have to delay the delivery of .50 cal M2 machine guns you ordered. I'll send you the specs for the fighting positions (with interlocking fields of fire) so you can have those built for when I do get there.
March 12th, 2020 at 11:56 PM ^
My wife is a teacher. Looks like she gets a nice long spring break.
March 13th, 2020 at 10:03 AM ^
my wife is a teacher also and was informed today she is to report 3/23 as normal and is expected to be at school while children are off for duration....they were not told why
My guess:
"in-service day" where they are forced to clean, because the admin won't pay for a real cleaning service.
March 13th, 2020 at 12:27 AM ^
The hysteria and panic continue.
Covid-19 has killed just over 3,000 in China over 3+ months. Reports indicate it has peaked there.
The 2018 flu epidemic killed 60,000 to 80,000 in the US over 3 months in a country 1/4 the size with better health care, better sanitation, a much lower population density and the flu vaccine.
March 13th, 2020 at 12:37 AM ^
sshh this isn't a time for reason just panic like everyone else
March 13th, 2020 at 10:05 AM ^
there was no applesauce at the grocery store this morning...i quit
Italy used the same "It's no worse than the flu" logic at first. Where are they now?
March 13th, 2020 at 10:23 PM ^
still selling out to the chinese?
Flu kills less than 0.1% of people infected, and infects 10-15% of the population on a bad year.
COVID-19 kills 1% (minimum) and isn't going away by itself, it could infect 2-3x more people than flu if unchecked. (There's obviously no latent immunity, and there's no evidence yet it'll go away in the summer).
You do the math.
About one million deaths. That wouldn’t be great
How do you come up with 1% MINIMUM? The most encouraging numbers I saw were on a cruise ship where over 700 were confirmed infected and 6 died. The 6 deaths is a solid number, but even the 790 infected is questionable unless EVERYONE was tested (unlikely). Either way that’s less than 1% in a closed community with a higher number of older people.
Not trying to sell the “just the flu” agenda, but also not buying into the hysteria.
Unfortunately the actual numbers won’t ever be known because we’re not going to be able to test everyone.
It’s not ebola or even swine flu. It might be more the seasonal flu. Let’s wait and see.
How do you come up with 1% MINIMUM?
They don't.
Because the figures being passed around are not an apples to apples comparison considering testing for flu is commonplace and not so much for COVID19.
Once testing does become commonplace, the doom and gloom numbers for COVID19 will come way down as the number of negatives grows faster than the the positives or the survivors grow more than the number of deaths.
Testing is actually commonplace in several countries.
And if you say that there's a lot of infections not reported, that just means the infection rate is higher. Nothing changes.
Yes, but having the infection rate be higher is not the worst thing that can happen. The common cold infection rate is through the damn roof. What matters is how dangerous the thing is.
Testing is more common in some other countries than here, but not one country has tested 1% of its population. South Korea has tested about 0.4 %.
Thanks. The internet is currently full of guys getting out their calculators and proving the health experts wrong. Some of them work for the current administration.
March 13th, 2020 at 10:08 AM ^
sadly the REAL experts are saying we just dont know....its the less competent that are eager to get on media and bark out numbers...
And worse mathematicians have worked for the previous three administrations. Your point?
Got news for you, buddy: ALL politicians, left and right, use numbers and stats to make themselves look better, even if they have to twist them. This isn't just a "Trump" thing, and you should have your voting rights revoked if you think otherwise.
6 out of 700 is 1 death from 1%, and I'm pretty sure they everyone was tested before they could leave the ship. And I'm assuming they were all generally healthy if they were on a cruise, not in assisted living, etc.
The numbers right now are like 3%-4%, the 1% factors in that not everyone has been tested and that better care and more preventative measures will knock that rate down. Even if it's half that you're still talking hundreds of thousands of deaths just in the US, still magnitudes worse than a bad flu season. If it spreads in a hospital kiss that .5% rate good-bye.
Your assumptions (including the conjectured mortality rate) are not consistent with the numbers I listed above. The only fairly certain numbers (total deaths) suggest a bad flu season is many times more deadly. Per capita, the 2018 US flu epidemic was about 100 times (!!) as deadly as the coronavirus has been in China despite factors which would weigh against its greater lethality.
There are unknowns but the data says we are suffering from a media fueled mass hysteria exacerbated by those in power making irrational decisions.
I have expertise in medicine and math/numbers. But this is just an exercise in simple logic.
You're high. The 2018 flu had 100 deaths per 100,000 (0.1%) for people over 65, and 10.6, 2.0, 1.0. 0.6 for other age groups (<.01%)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
Seriously I have no idea where you're coming from.
And...of course no response from Dr. Remdog...crickets.
C'mon man, Italy didn't shut down the country for nothing. Italian physicians have written about how an insufficient number of ventilators means they have had to choose who gets a chance to live and who will almost certainly die. This is a real pandemic, and we need to be taking what steps we can to minimize its impact in the U.S., or we will see the same thing here.
If Ohio's governor is correct, and 1% of their population has COVID-19, a 1% mortality rate would be catastrophic.
I would like to see the mortality rate for those in good health.
March 13th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^
Here’s one of if not the main issue trying to compare these numbers. We have a firm grasp and understanding of the flu, meaning we know how it spreads, who is vulnerable, and most importantly, how many get it each year. When you see mortality numbers on the flu, those numbers are not only those who were tested and found to be positive. They are a statistical estimate of the total number of infected based on what we know about how it behaves,which is to say we know a lot. Then we take the number we know were actually killed from the flu (that is an actual count) and take the calculation from there for death rate.
For COVID, we have extremely little understanding of how it works, how it spreads (all modes), how it manifests, how many may be infected carriers, or any of that.
The data is wholly incomparable to flu because of the lack of understanding. It’s new, so that’s to be expected.
This is true. We do not know the true mortality rate for COVID-19 and won't for a long time. The current numbers are not based on complete data.
But the reason we should be concerned is because of what happened in Wuhan and what is now happening in northern Italy, and probably also Iran (but there isn't much news coverage). All our "hysteria" is because we want to avoid repeating that here (and we're behind the 8-ball because the early growth of the virus in the US resembles Italy's early pattern).
You’re more than welcome to go to public places and risk infection. No one is stopping you.
March 13th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^
Now you’re just fear-mongering. I’d expect nothing less.
March 13th, 2020 at 10:02 AM ^
Covid-19 has killed just over 3,000 in China over 3+ months. Reports indicate it has peaked there.
Assuming China isn't engaged in a cover-up
Someone from China at my wife's office said that any reported figures on deaths, injuries, whatever, from that country need to be multiplied by 10. There is no transparency there in reporting and any official numbers are almost always tainted by the communist party.
Covid-19 has killed just over 3,000 in China over 3+ months. Reports indicate it has peaked there.
...because China put everyone on lockdown. That's an important part of the story you're leaving out.
This!^ So many are totally uninformed/misinformed about the extreme measures that China, Singapore, Taiwan, had to institute to merely slow down the spread...measures that the average MAGA-ite/Corona denier would refuse to comply with anyway.
I know it can be hard to control impulses, but how about we not get political here?
The whole state is closed? This is a travesty!
Parts of Ishpeming remain open until 7:00.
If this means I can stock up on goobers and raisinettes, I'm grateful.
What are the odds they ground planes? I am supposed to fly to FL on the 21st for a week.
The government grounding flights seems rather extreme. I would be more concerned about flights being cancelled by the airlines due to lack of demand.
closing schools starting Monday..... Covid-19 isnt' transferable on Friday the 13th?
I suspect the over reaction and ripple effect is going to cause much more damage than the virus.
Italy didn't "overreact" when the coronavirus first arrived. Now they are facing this.