It’s pretty clear this cycle there has been a coordinated effort to make it seem like OSU is winning direct recruiting battles against us in order to reclaim the meta recruiting momentum over us
Totally disagree, he's a kid he can have some harmless fun with the process and troll adults that get way too emotionally invested in a teenager's personal decision. Just because the decision didn't go Michigan's way doesn't suddenly make it classless. Although his time at OSU will be classless, in-person at least. For the football team the school might as well be called THEE Online State University.
If a fan who is older and gets offended by what Scott did you probably need to look yourself in the mirror and rethink your priorities in life. I know for sure I wanted him to come to Michigan but I have no I'll will or think what he did was classless or a big deal. Are Oregon fans this upset he didn't commit to them?
It only works if you allow yourself to be clueless enough to fall for pranks by a 17 yr old.
Recruiting momentum has all been lost at this point. The season is upon us, signing day is a long ways off. WIN THE GAME!
It’s hard to keep recruiting momentum when you already have 26 guys committed.
He’s been trolling us for months. All the “undecided” chatter and Michigan flirting was just a long game trolling. Multiple OSU commits have done it at this point and I’m pretty confident it’s a coordinated thing by OSU staff
Yep. Those 2 ass whippings haven’t translated to recruiting. Let’s be honest about it. Good solid class but a bit underwhelming after a good start.
It’s a typical Michigan class. I think people got excited by a lot hype over guys who liked Michigan and assumed that would lead to a top 5 class. Michigan has rarely achieved that in the modern era of recruiting rankings.
Bryce West and Aaron Scott are Ohio guys so NIL is less of a factor than their recruitment. For guys like Chiles, Uini, Justin Scott and Warren, that's where we have to step up our NIL game. We have 25 commits but only 3 are top 100 guys and one of them is an instate guy. Pretty good recruiting class but we are seeing a ceiling on the class with the recruiting approach we have.
Everyone who says we need to step up our NIL doesn't understand NIL at Michigan. Michigan will never pay players to commit to us. That isn't NIL either and soon is going to be illegal or not allowed. I don't want the NIL to be that way as it is already ruining college sports as is. Michigan want you to commit and then once you get on campus they will help with NIL but they will never pay a player to commit to Michigan in recruiting.
It's hard to care much when the NCAA busts you for a burger. At this point if you don't open up your NIL like every other school in the country, you are a fool. I don't want to be the grandma driving 60 in a 70. Let the players profit regardless if they are freshmen or have "earned" it by being here. That's the way it works in the real world. I don't get told to come to our company and then in a year I will get a salary of 70k. I get the offer straight up.
It's a smart move on their part really, and especially if we didn't pursue other CBs as aggressively thinking he might commit.
If it is coordinated by OSU coaches then we need to beat their asses over and over. Also that would be classless by the recruit himself and family to string a long another program with lies and deceit about being interested in the program as it costs money, time and resources to recruit and IMO should have some kind of penalty to that recruit or the program he committed to along with penalty to that program that told him to do that. Do I think that happened probably not but the way that program is run it can't be a complete no.
I don't think a coordinated effort on their behalf is enough to warrant us handing out beatings over and over. That's coming regardless.
Who is left for Michigan to get for CB? I assume they’d want 2.
I’m sure there are some 3*’s we will now slobber over as underrated in an attempt to candy coat getting our butt slobberknocked recruiting DB’s for this class.
Kentucky, BC and Mizzou better be making those recruiting calls cuz we are coming for those DBS!
Clink has missed on every target this cycle and I’m guessing we’ll end up with 2 undersized high floor low ceiling ranked between 300-500 like most of our CB commits have been the past handful of years who end up not being playable and get inevitably passed up by the highly rated kid we rarely hit on
Somehow Michigan has managed to go 25-3 with two Big Ten titles, two wins over OSU, and two playoff appearances.
Clink doesn't just recruit CBs he recruits many other positions and is a reason why we have a lot of these guys committed this cycle and last. But Clink has been constantly regraded as one of the top recruiting coaches in football.
Wiltfrong CB’d Jeremiah Lowe from Kentucky to UM. 1085 ranking so you weren’t far off. Looks like that’s UM’s closest CB recruit atm.
Sucks for him, good luck getting developed…..looking at you Jeff Okudah
Dude… Denzel Ward and Marshon Lattimore.
They were good but they had the same knocks on them about not knowing the INS and outs of football. If I remember correctly some in Cleveland thought Ward was going to be a busy his first year. Now I am not saying they aren't talented but the fact remains that is what scouts in the NFL have said for years.
Gotta go all the way back to pre pandemic?
What does this mean? Especially when OP brought up a guy that played before the pandemic. You can’t even bring up the coaches, because Okudah had a different coach and scheme than the current ones. Idk what you guys are getting at.
Sour grapes. Bitter over losing a top kid to OSU.
Let’s look at it in this context too, after the 2021 season Ryan Day did a complete overhaul of the defensive coaching staff, and replaced all the defensive coaches except for Larry Johnson Sr.
So last season is the first season that literally anybody on that defensive staff have ever worked together.
That also is a season where the Ohio State CB room got decimated:
CB1: Denzel Burke (preseason shoulder surgery + broke his hand early in the season)
CB2a: Cam Brown (multiple/lingering hamstring injuries)
CB2b: Jordan Hancock (preseason injury that held him out until the last 1-2 games)
On top of 2021 starter CB Seyvn Banks and backup CB Lejond Cavazos both taking the coaching change as opportunities to transfer out.
It was a rough first season for DB coaches Tom Walton and Perry Eliano for sure, but they weren’t exactly dealt the best hand by Lady Luck either. At a certain points in the season, the CB room was being held together by true freshmen backups and temporarily converted safeties.
Try a better argument. This isn't it. They've developed corners just fine and to be fair, he will be able to practice against some of the best receivers in CFB. Can't fault the decision even though I don't like it.
No they haven't the guys that got were just really talented. Their were numerous NFL scouts who said the CBs at OSU have talent and are athletic but they have no fundamental skills and are very behind in technique and other matters to playing the Corner position. Now maybe in the last year they may have changed but that was the talk about Jeff Okudah when he came out that's what a lot of scouts were saying. Now in saying that doesn't mean they aren't good because they are so naturally gifted as is but imagine how good and higher of a pick some would have been if they knew the fundamentals and ins and ours of the CB position.
Hard to beat Okudah’s draft position and if Damon freaking Arnette is getting picked 19th overall I think the exposure and coaching did them justice in getting drafted highly.
I'm not worried. Between the transfer portal and the staff's ability to take WR's like Mikey and turn them into stud DB's that demonstrably outplay the Nuts' DB's, we should be fine.
The fierce competition that will rage during fall camp this year will produce multiple corners next year. Plus we've got a lot of time before these commits are formalized.
Go Blue!
A program like ours shouldn’t have to rely on the Transfer Portal to fill the open spots from failure on the recruiting trail.
Good grief. If that’s your solution that”s pretty sad.
We are getting our but kicked recruiting DB’s in this class.
Bro you are a Debbie downer and very depressing as a person. We have been fine the last 2 years and we will be fine again. If this wasn't OSU getting him or MSU would you be crying as much.
You can lead recruits to the facts about player development but you can't make them think correctly or make the best decision for their football career. For any young high school DB and their family watching The Game last year, the difference in player development could not be more plain. If this young man and his loved ones weren't able to see past their own fandom and see clearly which program would prepare him the best to be able to play on Sundays, maybe it's better that he didn't come to Michigan.
Michigan is a great program and great players will want to play for Michigan. National Signing Day is a long way away. Let's see what happens after our Top 5 Defense shuts everyone down, our secondary makes great plays all over the field and we beat the brakes off the Nuts again this year in the Big House.
We are going to be dominant this year. Success begets success.
Top kids want to make their money in college rather than the pros now. It’s the only explanation. You can’t look at their secondary and think OSU is going to make you a better pro than Michigan. But now you can get paid on potential rather than production. It’s pay-to-play but Michigan doesn’t do it. In the last two years, player development and team chemistry have been able to overcome the talent gap. It would be nice to see top players concerned about development more than day-one paydays, but good luck telling a teenager (and their parents) to say no to to a sack of cash.
Michigan is #2 in nil valuation @ $65k average OSU #7;@ $44k, pretty big difference.
Yeah, but offer a teenager (and their parents, who have spent tons of money on camps, etc.) $X in their hand now or $1.5X when they get to campus, and they will mostly take the money now. A bird in the hand and all that.
They are also still kids, which means that their understanding of long-term-consequences and delayed gratification are not fully developed. You would hope that the adults in their lives are making sure that they are taking all of the factors into account. And if their parents and coaches are letting their own fandom drive their kids to a place where they will be less developed as players in exchange for a quick payday, then that can be seen as a failure on their parts as well.
So apropos with the Michigan backpack and the OSU jersey.
Underrated comment
Yawn. How anyone watched their defense last year and thought, let me be a part of that... I'll never understand
OSU is - and will - absolutely kill it on the defensive recruiting this cycle exactly for the reason you mentioned. They're selling recruits on how bad their defense was in big game situations - especially in the 2nd half - and they're buying it. They're favored for 2 or 3 more high 4 and 5 star DLs
But you can make that argument in any direction that suits you. Come here because we're great. Come here because we suck and you'll play right away. Come here because we can develop top talent and you'll get your turn. Come here because we have don't have enough quality and you'll be the guy.
There's always a narrative. Guess it depends on which snake oil salesman sells it best
I don't think it's the selling that is working for them in defensive recruiting so much as the buying (see Scott, Justin).
Offering kids big signing bonuses to commit has a wonderful effect on recruiting prowess.
Yes, because they don’t have talent on the field. It’s not scheme or development but talent holding them back …
See all those 5 and 4 stars, they were overrated. Come here and help us fix our defensive problems since we just need better 5 and 4 stars.
OSU is simply doubling down on their NIL and other recruiting tactics because Ryan Day is on the hot seat and they haven’t won The Game for 2 years.
Not about nil, UM is #2 in nil valuation OSU #7.
NIL vs. "NIL" is apples and oranges, my friend.
Good luck to the kid. Have fun chasing maize and blue clad runningbacks from behind as they streak down the field.
We’ve done a great job of swinging and whiffing on just about every DB we went after aggressively.
This tends to prove time and time again hype of these kids on campus is always overblown - great recruits who the coaching staff covets most visit often - say great thing about the school often - but go elsewhere often.
Another swing and a miss on a top dog.