January 3rd, 2024 at 2:24 PM ^
Respectfully, Moore's answer in that context was probably "[When evaluating quarterbacks,] I don't see color" and in that context is absolutely appropriate. I don't think Moore was making a larger, societal statement and frankly most people should be able to realize this.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:33 PM ^
It was also a bullshit, loaded, question. Did the reporter expect him to say "yeah I don't think (racist term for black guy) should be playing QB, that's a white man's job!"
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:50 PM ^
naysayer?
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:31 PM ^
Yeah I am going to have to disagree, respectfully. “Anti-racist” is just racism with a different name.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:57 PM ^
"We don't see color" has long been a coded phrase of conservatives, going back decades in the South. I did a story for Birmingham magazine in the late 1980s where residents of a segregated company town built by Republic Steel told me over and interviews that "we never saw color here." And they meant it. The problem is and was that somebody obviously did, since all kinds of nasty went down for Black workers there, starting with living in smaller houses, getting paid less, etc. Afterward, having got wind of the phrase, I started noticing that it propped up a lot in certain quarters. People who echo it unawares probably need to find some way to signal that they're conservative but not--they think--racist. The kind who are okay with "the good ones," and could not be convinced in a million years that they are racist, even when they are hostile to Black claims for social justice (etc.) Lots of Black people chuckle when they hear these phrases. Then go on about their business.
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:01 PM ^
Actually it just means that a person does not view people in terms of what color they are and/or make predeterminations based on it.
It is a good quality often viewed as “bad” by twisted propaganda infecting everything these days. People are catching on though and it isn’t really working anymore.
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:36 PM ^
Nah, it's a phrase with a history. No amount of insisting it isn't changes that. People just can't have their own reality, no matter how deluded they are--or want to demand that others be. When we went to Flint to study the history of fair housing initiatives there (my dad helped write Flint's first, which was in fact the first such initiative in the United States), the same kind of people were using that same phrase. Which clearly seemed to have cogency for people like them. And not for others.
They weren't bad people, just frightened people. The kind of person who protests overmuch, taking pains to tell you they're not prejudiced, often tends to harbor some hostility about racial issues. Maybe like you. Let's all keep growing and changing in the New Year!
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:54 PM ^
It’s sounds to me like you just really are just kind of obsessed with race. Which is your prerogative. But most of us have moved past that so you should probably try it. And stop projecting your fixations onto others. Thanks, bud!
January 4th, 2024 at 8:47 AM ^
Awful take by you.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:26 PM ^
Ok not to be "that guy" but isn't he not supposed to be talking about this while the investigation is going on?
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:32 PM ^
And here's where it pays off for not being an employee of the University, but a student. Student's aren't under a gag order, but they are probably coached to keep their mouths shut. JJ, like all the rest of the football players, probably wanted to share his thoughts about all the negativity.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:06 PM ^
Too bad telling players to keep their mouths shut cost Chris Partridge his job.
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:16 PM ^
I could be wrong, but I think what got him fired is that he was telling the players what they should say to investigators.
There has always been STRONG advice for players to not discuss certain subjects with the public.
January 3rd, 2024 at 5:41 PM ^
You got it. There's a difference between coaching a player on what to say to NCAA investigators versus what to share with media. One is not allowed to do, the other is.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:30 PM ^
I don't think this qualifies. It wasn't really about the investigation or allegations. But, yeah, he could just have been like, NCAA said we're not allowed to talk about that stuff, sorry.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:32 PM ^
The lede on that tweet from ON3 is horrible. I wish he hadn't said anything, but since he did just double down on the hater-aid. Fuck'em all, anyway.
Michigan vs Everybody
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:36 PM ^
I'm glad JJ said what he said. "No comment" would be interpreted just as negatively by Michigan's enemies. Might as well dunk on everyone else.
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:18 PM ^
Or, you know, he could have said something along the lines that he didn't think he should be discussing issues related to an ongoing investigation.
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:54 PM ^
The douchebags would just call that evasive. There was no good answer, especially not for a 20 year old.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:40 PM ^
They’ve been proving all the haters wrong on the field each week. They should continue to do so. The narrative has generally swung strongly to “Michigan deserves these wins” so no need to say anything except that we’re focused on Washington.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:43 PM ^
I've said this before, I'll say it again. My son's FOURTH GRADE little league baseball team had an indicator they used to make signs live because they were trying to prevent other teams from stealing their signs. FOURTH GRADE!!!! Sign stealing is a part of the game. It's a part of every game (that uses signs) across the sports landscape.
This was nuts, this is nuts, this will always be nuts.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:52 PM ^
What's nuts, is the NCAA not having helmet wires when the NFL went to them 30 years ago.
Hopefully, that changes next year.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:08 PM ^
When I played high school basketball back in the Dark Ages, there were always scouts from opposing teams in the stands. Only the NCAA can approve of such a stupid rule.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:39 PM ^
If you aren’t keeping an eye on the 3rd base coach stealing the fastball sign every time from the catcher at 9U then you are doing something wrong. Competitiveness at its best!
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:47 PM ^
Just telling the truth. Only dummies think Michigan did something unique.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:48 PM ^
We actually had to adapt because in 2020 and 2019 when Ohio State was stealing our signs, which is legal, we had to get up to the level that they were at, and we had to make it an even playing field.”
Just dumb. OSU stole signs legally, so we did what? How do you think people will insinuate?
First real fuckup by JJ. Why even comment?
Edit: Of course, ESPN is all over this.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:50 PM ^
I'm assuming what he means is that Michigan got on board with sign-stealing, not that they actually knew how the signs were being stolen.
But because he didn't explain that part of it, its going to be a thing.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:55 PM ^
It's stupid when telling the truth is viewed as the wrong thing to do.
OSU steals signs. Everyone knows this.
Media narratives and PR are a dumb way to lead life.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:57 PM ^
My guy, we have an open investigation. You don't think twice about commenting! Much less this week.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:49 PM ^
I doubt there was any question asked about B1G teams colluding and giving signs to other / future Michigan opponents.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:41 PM ^
That’s a boring story the minute it was released. It provides facts instead of other narratives that can left to idiots imagination.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:50 PM ^
Unless you're going to elaborate on how the team was unaware of how the information was being gathered, you don't say anything there.
January 3rd, 2024 at 1:50 PM ^
Remember when Paul was with the Beatles, and in that song it goes, "and in the end the signs you take is equal to the signs you make"
You remember that? Is that true?
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:07 PM ^
I'd like to know how the coaching staff didn't issue a directive not to talk about this. This is straight up bulletin board material for Washington. And this cannot help postseason when the NCAA picks this up again. The obnoxious rival fans are right; this is damn near a confirmation, and it makes it sound like the kids knew that M was doing it.
Not a good look, JJ. Not good at all.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:12 PM ^
You're joking, right?
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^
Not at all. An unnecessary and uncharacteristically undisciplined response from the young man.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:28 PM ^
You should take this up with his agent!
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:08 PM ^
Because Washington has been working so hard all year, they had no idea about Connor's scheme? If you need bulletin board material for the next game, you won't have to worry about playing in the game.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:14 PM ^
I swear, some of you remind me of worry-ball-fondling office peons struggling to craft every little word in your sad emails.
Fun fact: nobody else cares nearly as much, and if they do, they are not worth the time of day.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:21 PM ^
Funny.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:32 PM ^
Honestly, and this usnt even a slight against MSU and Dantonio, I'd lose respect for them (not that I have any) ig they weren't doing in person scouting against us for every game we played. honestly, it seems pretty logical and I would expect then or any other obsessed rival to do the same.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^
The article isn’t paywalled. Just read it. He’s not saying anything.
and while I won’t link it, the espn article is actually favorable if you want to venture to it. Written by Dinich.
and last point, even if it does come off that the players knew signs were being stolen, there is absolutely nothing that indicates they knew how. So the players were certainly not complicit in any (allegedly) agains the rules actions.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:45 PM ^
True re: ESPN. The bit about OSU legally stealing signs was at the end. They led with this:
"We did things the right way as players," Wolverines quarterback J.J. McCarthy said during a teleconference Wednesday. "It would be very unfortunate [to] not get recognized for all the hard work that we put in and everything we accomplished over this last year.
"But at the end of the day, you know it's not going to change the amount of accomplishment and the amount of pride for being on this football team and just everything that we accomplished because we know what we put in. We know the work that we put in, and we know that we did things the right way as players. Whatever happened, with all the outside controversies, it's out of our control, and whatever the NCAA wants to do is out of our control, but we're going to appreciate the things we did control and accomplish."
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^
I honestly would've just let it go and not given any more of a reason for this story to have oxygen, but McCarthy has much more at stake in this than I do (and I have no stake whatsoever), so its his call.
January 3rd, 2024 at 2:36 PM ^
I mean, whatever. He might as well have been telling us that he wears #9.
This whole signgate thing has been a litmus test to differentiate between people who know ball and sanctimonious pearl-clucthers and this is merely data point #2,720.
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:12 PM ^
"...this is merely data point #2,720."
ICWUDT
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:00 PM ^
Ah cool, On3 decided to tweet a blatantly misleading quote without context, the whole Internet is now running with it, and On3 finally published the article with full context hours later after the damage is done. Fuck On3, ESPN, and Barstool Sports for amplifying a blatantly misleading quote
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:11 PM ^
Of course anyone who knows anything about CFB knows teams don't hold up cutesy signs to call plays just for fun. Everyone's out there trying to steal each others signs.
I swear like 80% of this controversy is just because it's called sign "stealing" and thus lots of people think you're not allowed to do that. Another 15% of it is people having no clue what the NCAA rules are.
The remainder is just like "okay well that might not technically be against NCAA rules but you should still be punished for it anyway because the rules are made up by the NCAA as we go"
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:12 PM ^
Real question is, why is JJ even discussing it?
January 3rd, 2024 at 3:21 PM ^
I love it. This should have been said loudly by our coaches, players, and most importantly, our athletic director at the outset of this silliness.