11 Warriors on Shea Patterson
Interesting, well-written stuff (link), though I look forward to more of Brian's analysis.
To summarize, Patterson's last Ole Miss OC relied on receivers winning 1-on-1 matchups against teams with less talent and quick throws/RPOs against the 'Bama/LSUs of college football. Importantly, however, that offense did not require him to make a 'read' in the traditional sense of the word. He isn't looking at a linebacker stance as much as he's trusting his receivers to get open after they make route adjustments based on the coverages. In this context, Patterson is praised for his ability to drop the ball in a bucket and knowing where that bucket needs to go. He definitely has great tools.
The negatives start with Patterson getting spooked after LSU/'Bama DLs aged his body by a few years. Patterson's throwing mechanics (which apparently need work to begin with) are entirely abandoned and get further out-of-sync. This even showed up against Cal. Also, the author asserts that Michigan runs a ball-control offense that relies much more on precision and reads than did the Ole Miss offense. If Patterson's INT rate persists, it will be unnacceptable in this different schematic context.
Questions. I'd really appreciate it if any knowledgeable commenters can get into the weeds about his throwing motion, comparing the Ole Miss offense to Michigan, and some ideas on the probable transition cost.
Edit: Welcome back UMBig11! I hope all is well with your family, and we look forward to your insights whenever things clear up for you.
But John O'Korn was the best QB in the draft this year. That means Patterson will be the best QB in the universe when he goes pro!!!
He is leaps better than Speight too. People forget that Speight regularly forced receivers to go low to catch or jump to catch even when they were wide open. He could hit the mark more than O'Korn and he's definitely better than O'Korn, but Patterson is definitely better than both. Significantly better.
I'm not sure how anyone can say you're not a concern troll.
Next would be saying how great Shea would be playing for Dantonio
clips of him against Bama and LSU. I think their evaluations are good. He's got some work to do. However, he's still a higher floor than we've had here in a long time. Sad ghost Jake Rudock beats OSU last year. Patterson is already better than that.
We would have made it to the national championship game in 2016.
We would have been a CONTENDUH!
who knows, maybe a withering away of the state.
I don't see a post in this thread from UMBig11 as referenced in OP's edit. Am I missing something or is OP mistaking Mineral King for UMBig11?
That would be quite the mistake.
Agreed.
I was poking around to see what he was up to, and I saw he had returned. Just stuck it in the post, in case he'd take a look.
I was searching all over for UMBIG11 to throw some knowledge on us based on your comment. Next time just respond to hit comment to welcome him back rather than making it appear he put something down in your thread.
My bad.
maybe it's just me?
maybe it's just me?
I'm getting a cross ready so that we can crucify him partway through the season when things don't go quite as we had hoped.
It was a fair accurate article that says Shea obviously has some elite tools but it isn't just going to be plug and play of a great QB.
it doesnt matter because were signing Hunter Johnson right?
First, I'd guess if Patterson is relying on WRs beating matchups that DPJ, Black, Perry, McKeon, & Gentry will beat a lot of DBs/LBs. I'd guess they have an athletic and/or size advantage against everyone with only a handful of possible exceptions on our schedule (OSU, ND, & maybe Wiscy & PSU).
Two, from what I've seen Patterson's feet are both a blessing and a curse. He uses his feet to get out of trouble and throw from positions that most QBs can't or wouldn't be advised to throw from. However, Shea can and often does successfully throw in odd positions with his feet once he breaks the pocket as this is when the play breaks down & often WRs are wide open at this point as coverages breaks down and/or DBs leave WRs to chase the QB or lose track of the WR altogether so the throw requires less precision. Although his feet & body do some difference things (ala Manziel), his throwing motion and release seem pretty fundamentally sound and quick.
Third, I don't know enough about the simplicity of reading coverages and the complexity or lack thereof of various offenses for a QB. However, it appears that Harbaugh has made an effort to simplify the offense for both the QB and the o-line. In addition, at least in this case, the QB will have the benefit of the WRs to have a year under their belts whereas last year a number of guys were really inexperienced.
At the end of the day I would expect some bumps along the way and some growing pains. I think Shea is probably over hyped a bit as we get really excited about stuff and things rarely live up to our expectations. However, I think Shea is also going to mix in a lot of big and exciting plays we just didn't see last year. I also expect Shea to improve over the course of the season & to be a vast upgrade over JOK. That, and I'd expect our backup (Peters) to be a better version of himself over last season after his experience playing last year. The QB, WR, and o-line options should all together be better off than last year which should ultimately give us a much better offense. If you combine that with our defense which should also be better than last year, this should be quite a strong team that should peak at the end of the year.
reporting that OL is in terrible shape, worse than last year. Main reason spring game was canceled, not weather.
I will accept anyone's wager on the over Wins in Season.
God i hope these guys are wrong.
I'm not sure if you're using slang or referencing a site.
Well, they have a site - LINK
I suggest using the coupon on the front page too, just to knock the price of the haircut down to $15.
Did some of my own sleuthing, and it seems you're right. If this was a book, a barbershop would be an awesome place for a rumor to start.
Thank you, sir. I got a good hearty chuckle out of that.
Let's think about this for a second......
LT - Will be worse than last year. I don't think anyone will play at Mason Cole's level this season.
LG - Bredeson returning for 3rd year of starting. Will improve.
C - Hearing rave reviews about Cesar Ruiz. Will be better than Kugler.
RG - Onwenu returning for 2nd year of starting. Will improve.
RT - Runyan looking to pick up where he left off at the end of last year. Will be fine. Not a run mauler like JBB was at the position, but more athletic and a better pass protector?
At minimum, we will be as good, if not much improved in 3 of the 5 spots. RT I believe will be a wash, if not improved. Remember, last year RT was a mess with Ulizio. Left tackle is the one spot where we will take a step back, no matter if it is JBB or someone else. Keep in mind, Warinner > Drevno.
I hereby conclude that "the OL is in terrible shape" is horse shit.
Yeah I'm really not as concerned about it as some folks. Just really anxious to see how we look at LT. I think the interior line is going to wear some D Lines out. Also love the focus on athleticism.
Let's also keep in mind that the entire receiving corps (WR and TEs) return, and I expect Higdon & Evans to have huge seasons.
Also, it's May. Let's worry about how the OL looks compared to last year in September.
So we'll be worse at arguably the second-most important position on the team? Great.......
I don't doubt that Bredeson, Ruiz and Onwenu will improve, so the interior of the line will be better. But that is an incredibly scary thought if the guy who protects our QB's blindside will be worse than what we had last year.
No disrespect to Mason Cole. I applaud him for his versatility and playing any and every position the coaches asked him to, but it was very clear where his limitations were when he went up against better DLs. And we're going to be facing some pretty damn good DLs this season. Last thing we want to see is our LT whiff on some bull rush from a DE and then we see for the third time in less than a year that our starting QB gets taken to the hospital.
Really hope Warriner can make something happen with this OL this year.
Filiaga has lots of natural talent, equal or more than Mason Cole. Given the right development he can become very good LT.
I think he will eventually settle in at either guard or right tackle. He reminds me a little of Ben Braden, ability to play either or.
The idea that we'd actually cancel the spring game because of the play of the OL doesn't quite pass the BS detector either.
So did Wisconsin, Iowa State and Minnesota also cancel their spring games because UM's OL is in terrible shape? Seems like an over-reaction, but that's just me...
Mason Cole is a loss, obviously. But I can't see replacing Kugler with Ruiz and Drevno with Warriner and think that's other than a net gain.