The 2019 Michigan starting offense will be the most talented at UM in the internet recruiting rankings era
Per 247 Sports. 9 of 11 starters are former Top247 recruits and 6 are former Top100 recruits. Had TE Devin Asiasi not transferred and OT Devry Hamilton not decommitted on national signing day it would be 11 of 11. The only other UM offense that is comparable to this in the past 20 years is the 2000 offense with Henson, Walker, Terrell, A-Train, etc.
QB: Shea Patterson (5* #4 overall)
RB: Zach Charbonnet (4* #46 overall)
WR: Donovan People Jones (5* #12 overall)
WR: Tarik Black (4* #116 overall)
WR: Nico Collins (4* #138 overall)
TE: Sean McKeon (3* #854 overall)
OT: Jon Runyan (3* #1138 overall)
OG: Ben Bredeson (4* #39 overall)
C: Cesar Ruiz (4* #47 overall)
OG: Michael Onwenu (4* #87 overall)
OT: Jalen Mayfield (4* #126 overall) or Andrew Strueber (4* #365 overall)
Offensive players who left before their eligibility expired: Devin Asiasi, Kareem Walker, Kekoa Crawford, Eddie McDoom, Nate Johnson, Ahmir Mitchell, Nolan Ulizio, Kingston Davis, TJ Wheatley, O'Maury Samuels, JaRaymond Hall, Kurt Taylor, James Hudson
Looking forward to seeing Mayfield in action, I like his attitude.
If this team doesn't average 50 points a game I'm firing Harbaugh myself.
Huh, that's interesting.
I can't remember if ScooterTooter is one of Maizen's accounts. 1201 is his current polite account. I'm favorably impressed with how well 1201 has held it together.
April 24th, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^
agreed - that one's been in charge for while and staying somewhat level.
Why is it that one person can constantly create new accounts after getting banned time and again, and then on top of that he accumulated enough points to create posts, meanwhile I've lost the ability to vote that I had with 2.0? It's been almost a year and points are still broken. What is HUEL doing?
April 25th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
I created a new account (this one) to see if they'd fixed it and my old account was just hopelessly broken. Seems like, no, they have not. {shruggi emoji}
April 26th, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^
So, I think I stumbled onto something. After the 1201 account was banned by Seth, the person behind said account (suspected to be Maizen) whined up a storm via email to Seth and despite evidence that certainly pointed toward 1201 being yet another Maizen account (click here for evidence of 1201 and Mfrank responding to the same poster and referencing something the other account said in the first person), Seth unbanned the 1201 account. Evidently I clicked on the mod action thread shortly after this happened because I saw that posts by 1201 in that thread suddenly showed point totals that were not 0 and appeared to be increasing/decreasing based on new posts and received upvotes/downvotes.
Did banning and then unbanning the 1201 account suddenly break it from the point accumulation purgatory that any new account and those lower than some magical threshold pre-3.0 have been stuck in? Or was it some weird, one-time glitch? I posted it in the bug sticky but I don't think anyone from the site checks it these days. I should probably email Seth about it though his responses in the mod thread seem to show he's pretty on edge these days regarding the day-to-day board stuff. So maybe not.
This is high-quality sleuth work.
April 26th, 2019 at 11:29 PM ^
My account has never worked. This new site needs some work. Oh well, mods have been advised but no resolution. GO BLUE!!!!
April 27th, 2019 at 10:00 AM ^
It stinks for you Blue. I even tried helping.
April 27th, 2019 at 10:56 AM ^
I also noticed the point accumulation of Maizen's new "1201" account even though his join date is 4/12/19 and wondered how his is the only "new" account in several months for which the point system actually is working. Though I'm not 100% sure, however, I think he was accumulating points before his temporary banning.
My theory is that somehow MGoBlog's new system actually matched up the email address and IP address of a previous maizen account, allowing for that account to have the settings required for point accumulation.
Whatever happened, though, I remain 100% convinced that maizen, Mfrank, old98, 1201, etc. are all the same jackass. For now, he's been able to behave in an effort to keep his account up and running and I think the ability to accumulate points is a big motivating factor for his improved behavior. But it's still just a matter of time before he reverts to the norm of being a complete jackass.
p.s.: great detective work, MH20!
points aren't broken. You comment in a thread, you get 1 point. Someone upvotes you, you get 1 point. You need 100 to post a topic. You need 500 to vote up or down.
Working fine for me
Why does everything have to be a Maizen account?
April 27th, 2019 at 10:57 AM ^
MH20's entire posting existence is spent bitching about Maizen or trying to get people banned in the moderator sticky thread. Guy needs a new hobby I guess he doesn't realize how pathetic he looks.
Thanks for the life lessons, guy who's been banned from Twitter and the same message board at least 10 times!
Also, if you're "new" to the site as you claim how would you know my posting existence? My user page only shows about three weeks worth of posts. Oh that's right, it's because you're a pathological liar.
April 28th, 2019 at 12:22 PM ^
If I'm banned from twitter why was Seth able to confirm my twitter account and personal email. And do you not realize most people like myself read the site long before they join and start posting. You're becoming the person you hate by hijacking threads with your petty, personal, and extremely pathetic bullshit. Seth told you to move on, so take his advice and get a new hobby you tool.
It's almost like a person could sign up for multiple email accounts...
April 30th, 2019 at 10:57 PM ^
The email account matches the twitter account moron.
- Make new email account
- Sign up for twitter with new email account
- Sign up for mgoblog with new email account
- Repeat 1 and 3 ad infinitum
Except my twitter account was created a long time ago. Just take your L. You need to get laid if this is the shit you're worried about.
April 24th, 2019 at 12:51 PM ^
We were averaging 50 points a game through our first 8 games in 2016. Didn’t do us any good.
39 on OSU should be enough, at least from the offense in the future
That 39 was misleading. Just sayin (and without being Maizen). 6 came off a gift turnover and another 14 came when the game was out of hand.
Why does everyone think Devin AsiAsi is or was going to be a stud. He wasnt that good at UCLA and left cause he wasnt going to get a shot this year either. He wasnt even the best TE at UCLA when he was there.
Thought Devin was going pro maybe I am wrong .
Caleb Wilson is a good receiving tight end and had started at UCLA for several years. There is a lot of buzz about Asiasi this year. Let's wait and see what happens this year before we decide to feel too good or too bad about him leaving.
Also he was homesick and wanted to play close to home, it happens.
April 23rd, 2019 at 11:58 PM ^
I agree on Devin he hasn't been to special he is supposed to start this year but last year played behind Wilson who isnt supposed to get drafted and scouts arent to high on him. Though Bucky Brooks seems to like him. But Devin is now listed at 287 pounds on UCLA roster. He is only 6 3 so either he is buff or has about 30 + pounds of bad weight. He probably would not even see the field with this new offense here at Michigan. Guessing he wont start the season that heavy at UCLA or he is going to be primarily a blocking TE.
You should do stand up because this is funny.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:45 AM ^
i think you forgot to logout of this account and login to another account to post this.
Because he had a strong freshman year at UM in addition to being a high level recruit. Most think DPJ is going to be a stud and Asasi did more as a freshman than DPJ did IMO. I'm not sure what happened at UCLA.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:44 AM ^
Weird rabbit hole to go down, but those aren't remotely comparative things.
DPJ was a consensus 5 star, #1 WR in the country who had 3 different QBs throwing to him as the #1 WR option as a true freshman because everyone else sucked/broke their foot. He put up 650 total yards as a freshman between receiving, rushing, and punt returns.
Asiasi was a 4 star, back up TE who caught 2 passes as a freshman from a QB with his head still attached to his body.
Apparently I took the red pill. Yeah, interesting that without looking at any stats I had a positive recollection of him. But, those stats sure aren't impressive. I guess you're right. What about him makes us remember him fondly? Maybe he got praised for his blocking a lot and got practice hype? But, his stats sure don't move the needle much do they?
Asiasi's blocking was off the charts good for a true freshman. He was on the field more and more as the season progressed, especially when yards on the ground needed to be gained. The combo of him and Ty Wheatley Jr was a deadly run wedge, and Asiasi looked better doing it than Wheat did. He was also a good route runner with decent hands, though we rarely got to see it with the QB du jour that year (also: Pep). As a true freshman, he was behind 4th/5th year seniors at the H-back position. It takes time to learn college, plays, and timing...
He was in line to be the the starting TE as a Sophomore, and Ian Bunting had already checked out. He went home to be closer to family, which is no shame. The kid gave it a real shot, and he wasn't comfortable enough to stay - no reason to harp on him for that (you didn't, others have). UCLA's coaching isn't good, and took a dive away from the TE (not that it was ever centered on it, anyway). But his family and friends are there. I wish him well...
Great, can't wait to see what new and exciting ways they'll find to crap the bed against the Buckeyes!
Well aren’t you full of sunshine...
April 24th, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^
This is an interesting observation. I think it could be a touch misleading and part of the reason is we don't really know what the offense will look like. For example, do we think DPJ, Black, and Collins are all on the field at the same time or is it more likely there's a Sainristill/Martin slot kind of receiver for 3 WR formations?
And I'll add that it could be 10 of 11 rather than 9 of 11 if Isaiah Wilson had stayed committed as well instead of going to Georgia.
I also don't understand what your last sentence has to do with the rest of your point. If you're trying to make a statement about depth or something, you could be more explicit.
April 24th, 2019 at 10:45 AM ^
Isaiah Wilson was never committed to Michigan.
April 24th, 2019 at 11:27 AM ^
Are you sure? Not talking about publicly. Anyway, we'd just be arguing semantics. I would argue that Isaiah Wilson not playing for Michigan was more surprising for UM's staff than Hamilton not playing for Michigan.
April 24th, 2019 at 12:19 PM ^
And I would argue that you're wrong given Hamilton was committed for months.
I'm saying it's not really relevant what some website says about who is in our recruiting class based on public verbal commitments. Even random people here on mgoblog were pretty certain that Hamilton would flip if he received an offer from Stanford, so the staff surely had some idea this could happen. It was devastating, but not shocking, when that very thing happened. In contrast, it sounds as if the staff were completely caught off guard by Wilson committing to Georgia.
Are we just arguing semantics here? Seems like it, but if not then you're arguing that we only had one good chance that went the wrong way late at getting a talented (highly rated) OT and I'm saying there were two.
This is revisionist history and a gross mischaracterization of verbal commitments and what they mean. Wilson was thought to be a UM lean but no UM insider ever said it was a done deal. Hamilton flipped to Stanford the day before NSD and it got everyone off guard. It is what it is.
The staff was extremely upset when Isaiah Wilson flipped. He had told michigan's coaches he was going, enrolled in classes, and everything until the night before NSD when a family member got a call from a Georgia booster... This is one of the recruits the staff was most upset about in regards to how it all went down.
Not familiar with the Hamilton situation to comment.
April 27th, 2019 at 10:49 AM ^
This is completely untrue. Wilson committed to UGA at his high school Christmas concert in December. Michigan insiders thought UM was going to get him but they weren't sure and Sam Webb never issues a gut feel. He was never enrolled and never flipped before NSD (logistically not even possible given when he committed. Yeah, he probably got paid by UGA but the revisionist history here is a bit ridiculous.
April 26th, 2019 at 10:35 AM ^
This is splitting hairs to some degree but Hamilton decommitted on January 30th (Sat) and NSD was February 3rd (Wed), so five days before.
I thought Hamilton de-committed before signing day.
April 24th, 2019 at 11:18 AM ^
While this diary is title incorrect, this is a group we should be excited about and the rankings do matter. It will be fun to see what happens with this talent and the new scheme.
The correct nomenclature in the title would be: "highest-rated" NOT "most talented." The ranking services do not always evaluate talent accurately.
Also, not sure that ZC will start at RB. How much does this change if Christian Turner or even Tru Wilson starts?
April 24th, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
While I agree with your points, I think the title is fine. It is reasonable to make a claim (this is the most talented offense) and then proceed to provide evidence of that claim (247 recruiting rankings). Whether you are convinced by said evidence doesn't mean the title is bad.
Both Turner and Wilson are outside the top 247.
April 24th, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^
Stop getting my hopes up!
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Now, please continue.
April 24th, 2019 at 12:53 PM ^
First, this should not be posted as a diary, at best it is a post to the board. There is no analysis, just a list of players and their recruiting rankings.
Second, why bother listing the names of players that left, unless it is to beat the dead horse that this account and your numerous other ones have been beating for months. We get it. You think that the staff is running off players, in addition to not recruiting well enough to fill the losses with equally talented players.
Trolling the same points over and over again because you have to prove how brilliant you are to the board is getting old. Perhaps you can focus some of the time you spend concern trolling into learning how to be a coach so you can do something productive with all your unique thoughts on recruiting.
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