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Seth November 26th, 2019 at 9:00 AM

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Nick's Question:

How do you need this season to end to not have another crappy offseason?

The responses:

Ace: As long as the offense doesn’t go back to what they were doing at the beginning of the season, a lot of the potential for my personal crappy offseason feels has already gone away. Just don’t get blown out.

Adam: That's where I'm at as well. Just keep it competitive. I think about this a lot:

Ace: …and how this OSU team then exceeded expectations. Assholes.

BiSB: Exactly. This was supposed to be "The Year" because Urban Meyer's departure left an opening. Which... what had happened was...

Seth: They just get to have whatever they want.

BiSB: That said, it looked a little dicey mid-season for reasons that wore neither scarlet nor gray.

The Mathlete: I think where Michigan is at right now (performance, not record) is close to pre-season best case scenario. The offense is humming, diverse and modern. The defense looks like what Don Brown does best, an eclectic set of pieces that come together for greatness

Seth: See, that's part of the conspiracy right? Like whomever's controlling the OSU dynasty that is our reality thought it was funny to set fumbles to 99 and play-calling AI to zero at first, but now it's later in the season and it's no fun to trounce Michigan if we don't look good.

The Mathlete: The problem is the other side is about two standard deviations above the preseason best case scenario for them.

Ace: lol, good lord. Who’s excited to hit the jump?

[After THE JUMP: Existentialist RPOs]

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Ace: I actually feel pretty okay about this game?

BiSB: /giphy that's bait

Ace: Mostly because I’m in a place where I can’t be hurt by sports anymore barring very extreme scenarios.

Adam: I try not to feel feelings anymore but it's hard to deny the trajectory both sides of the ball have been on since they got bitten by radioactive spiders at halftime of the PSU game.

Brian: I don't feel good about it, but that's good because it can't hurt me like last year's game. After which I wandered out into the woods for about 40 minutes.

Ace: Penn State drew up a half-assed blueprint with clear areas Michigan can/should improve upon, mostly in the passing game.

Seth: Also make Ohio State fumble a lot.

The Mathlete: It's the 2018 Indiana, but in reverse, that's the ticket.

Ace: Constricting the pocket on Justin Fields and hoping that forces him to fumble because he apparently throws an interception once every blue moon is a part of that plan, yeah.

Brian: Yeah at least it sets up that Michigan can probably just do what they've been doing without a spy; Fields will get some yards on scrambles but probably not a crippling amount.

Seth: I'm feeling very 2015. Michigan is doing neat stuff, is done punching itself in the face, has some bona fide stars young and grown to be excited about. And it just so happens we live in a time when the gap between the richest 1% and the richest 2% is vast and unconquerable without stupid luck.

Ace: Michigan also has Uche, which is nice.

Brian: I worry that they'll just tight zone Michigan to death but then I think "I mean if OSU's just running up the middle a ton is that so bad?"

Seth: Penn State did a really good job of jamming up the middle, but it meant getting very gashed when Fields kept. Course Michigan doesn't have a Robert Windsor. And I don't think you can get away with three-man lines against this. Fields versus their walk-on ILB went not great.

Ace: I worry that 90% of the game is going to come down to “can Michigan block Chase Young long enough to have a deep passing game that doesn’t occasionally implode” and I don’t feel great about that. Can they get away with max protect shots to Nico Collins? I’m ready to find out.

BiSB: At a minimum, it feels like we won't get a replay of last year because Michigan is more 'multiple' in both phases than they were last year. They got pounded in 2015 and 2018 largely because they couldn't solve one basic, repetitive thing. I believe Ohio State can adjust, but at least Michigan can hopefully force them to try to do so.

Brian: Michigan's pass protection has been the best I've seen it but the weak spot is the tackles going 1v1, and, uh... I mean, find Chase Young and chip him on every play and if that lets OSU double Nico so be it, there are other options.

BiSB: Can Michigan try a 2018 Indiana and double the edges and let the interior survive 1-on-1?

Brian: That's what I'd do.

Seth: The one thing Michigan can do that nobody on OSU's schedule this year could is block Landers, Cornell, and Hamilton.

Ace: Can Nico Collins sit on the heads of two people at once? Also possible.

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and tell me that you love me. [Bryan Fuller]

Brian: I mean if you get a chip from Charbonnet he can then go out in the flat and someone does have to be in the area.

BiSB: It's nice that Penn State reminded anyone who was unsure, "singling Chase Young for an afternoon is a bad idea."

Ace: SIT ON EVERYONE’S HEADS.

Brian: Changes what you can run with receivers 4 and 5 but not necessarily their existence.

Seth: Penn State tried to single-block Chase Young all day with Will Fries!! FRAAAMES!!!

BiSB: And it's not like Michigan has thrown to the back that often this year anyway.

Brian: The other thing that's jumped out about the offensive of late is the emergence of a real, genuine cutting-edge RPO all day every day game. Those plays do a lot to neutralize a DL. If Michigan can find soft spots like they did in the last two games...

Seth: The one spot Ohio State fans think is attackable in their defense is the strong safety, which we call Rover and they call "slot cornerback" this year. Which goes to that RPO game.

Ace: I believe James Light mentioned that PSU gameplan largely resulted from them carrying relatively few plays in their playbook on a given week, which I don’t worry about with Harbaugh/Gattis.

Brian:

BiSB: If their linebackers have a weakness, they do tend to overrun stuff. They'll probably be pretty aggressive against the run, and those quick slants and hitches will be there.

Ace: Gattis’s MSU gameplan was a mess-with-linebackers masterpiece.

Seth: Those linebackers were allowed to blitz a lot last year. I would like to imagine "are you going to allow Malik Harrison free shots at the quarterback on play-action that doesn't play-act anything that's actually in our running game?" was left out of the interview process because it was understood.

Ace: XFL-ass offense. Too soon?

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The guy in the background laughed. [Patrick Barron]

Seth: They did put up 39 last year. Getting back to the original question if it looks like Michigan used their talent to the best of their abilities and Ohio State was just too good I'm not going to be mad about it.

Brian: Yeah if it's a game and they lose to a team that's currently tracking amongst the best in the last 15-20 years of college football, ok. The talking heads will be annoying but if Michigan can go to a diverse two-high approach and also get locked in on Gattis's scheme that's a good platform for the future. Hamblastings of MSU and Notre Dame are soothing balms.

Ace: Is there any chance OSU finally comes out flat given they’re already all but guaranteed a spot in the playoff if they win the conference title game? I feel that’s how it’ll be retconned if they lose.

Seth: Maybe if we dress up as Rutgers?

Brian: No. Their whole program is based on ludicrous year-long hate.

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I don't give a damn for the thing that I'm singing 'bout, I wrote a whole song for it because I don't care at all 'bout it. [Barron]

Seth: And most of these players are used to playing in playoffs.

Ace: Maybe Ryan Day is secretly related to John Cooper.

Brian: Maybe Michigan will have the John O'Korn gameplan without John O'Korn.

Ace: 2013 was wildly unexpected! They were just a month late with the game-winning playcall.

Seth: Too soon.

Warning: dead dove inside.

So let's talk bowl games. In the unlikely event that we do beat Ohio State does Michigan have a chance of going to the Rose Bowl or is that lost because Penn State has a head to head as the number two Big Ten team?

Brian: Rose Bowl can do what it wants and Michigan is already ranked ahead of PSU. They would take M in a heartbeat. But you know we're going to play Florida.

Ace: The second least-anticipated revenge game of all time.

Seth: I think save-scumming NCAA dynasty-playing OSU kid has been setting up a Michigan-Georgia game for a long time but can't get the algorithm to work.

BiSB: I'm almost more afraid of this game from a meta level than from just the impacts on 2019. There's no particular shame in losing to a Megazord like this Ohio State team, but the risk of Ryan Day doing the same thing the last two guys did (stepping in and immediately establishing comprehensive, soul dong-crushing dominance) is more than I care to contemplate. Especially because if he does, Day could be there for two decades.

Seth: See I wasn't even thinking past the drive-by Harbaugh takes.

Ace: To be honest I fear the reactions from inside the house, so to speak. But that’s mostly because of what I chose to do for a living. I don’t care what Paul Finebaum has to say because I’m very good at not putting him on my television. But it’d be nice to check my mentions without, you know, overwhelming existential dread.

BiSB: The drive-by Harbaugh takes will ALWAYS be there. So will the reactions from inside the house, truth be told.

Ace: Yeah, as if there’s any chance they wouldn’t lead into the next game with “Jim Harbaugh is only 1-4 against Ohio State.” That’s also true.

BiSB: I just want to be able to see those takes and laugh. I just want a nice thing.

Brian: Indeed, nice things are nice.

Ace: When was the last rivalry trifecta season?

Seth: 2003.

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I kept the photos. [MGoBlue.com used to publish these after the game. This took a lot of storage space.]

Ace: That’d be nice. Michigan was 9-2 entering that game after suffering a couple really stupid early season losses. They had an enormous jump-ball monster receiver. There are some parallels.

Seth: Today Maurice Clarett would just get a two-game suspension.

Ace: So I think it’s time to admit how we all feel about this game?

Ace: [five minutes later]

Nobody wants to do this.

BiSB: I've gone through twenty-seven drafts of Punt/Counterpunt already. None has made it past sentence #2. We've all seen this year. We all saw last year. We all saw the last two decades.

Ace: [five minutes later]

FINE

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IT’S GOTTA HAPPEN SOMETIME

I’M A BASKETBALL WRITER, I CAN’T BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS

6'4 > 6'1, Michigan beats Ohio State

LOGGING OUT

 

Seth: My take is still most of my notifications:

We are Auburn without luck.

Brian: I just want both teams to try hard and have fun.

Comments

Warrior-poet

November 26th, 2019 at 10:58 AM ^

There is a narrow, treacherous, path to winning.  It’s a good thing that the RPO concepts are catching on bc the path will rely on this...big time.  Putting guys in motion pre-snap to isolate Bell and DPJ on LB’s and doubling Young would be a nice start.  Also getting them to spend an LB or safety by motioning Giles or Sainristil into the backfield is a nice way to mess with the second level as well. Also, gotta make them respect Shea as a runner. It would also be nice to see some new wrinkles for the single wing/ short yardage package. 

Defensively, hooo boy. Where to begin: getting Brad Hawkins back is extremely important for 2 reasons:

1.  it frees up Dax to check one dude. 

2. Allows DB to throw more looks at Fields which would hopefully slow him down enough to let the pocket constrict and that will not be as easy as it sounds bc getting osu into passing situations will be difficult given how effectively they run the ball.

Unfortunately, this is the game where not having DT’s that can consistently stand-up to double teams is where I fear things will go poorly.  Even against statee and psu, Dobbins and their OL popped chunk runs. Although it looked like PSU may have had an MA or 2.  Keeping chunk runs to a minimum is essential and probably the most important factor in keeping this game close. 

Thankfully, Don Brown is a lot smarter than me. Hopefully he has some cards he hasn’t shown yet.  

Hotel Putingrad

November 26th, 2019 at 11:00 AM ^

It will be the John O'Korn game without John O'Korn. 

People underestimate home field advantage. OSU has played Indiana, Nebraska, Northwestern, and Rutger on the road this year.

I mean, come on.

Michigan will lead most of the game. Day will have one final counterpunch in the fourth quarter, but Shea will have the answer. 

Michigan wins 33-28. Fields's hail Mary at the end is intercepted by Metellus. The natives rejoice.

AlbanyBlue

November 26th, 2019 at 11:04 AM ^

I'm with Ace on this one. His take at the top of the piece most closely resembles mine. I'm focused on our overall strategy. As long as we keep running the O and D the way we have been, then it's understandable if our best isn't good enough to beat what seems to be one of the best CFB teams in recent memory.

What will be frustrating to me is if the strategy changes for whatever reason to something that's just not working. It seems like we have our best-case style of play on both sides of the ball figured out. Of course we'll have to adapt, but hopefully not to something head-scratching. 

Then just keep going with these best-case scenarios in the bowl and next year, and we might really have something special.

BornInA2

November 26th, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^

As long as we keep running the O and D the way we have been, then it's understandable if our best isn't good enough to beat what seems to be one of the best CFB teams in recent memory.

How satisfied were you last year? Because that's exactly what we did: Stuck to press-man even though we couldn't hang with the crossing routes. Put up 39, but...see first sentence, which resulted in them putting up 62.

AlbanyBlue

November 26th, 2019 at 7:05 PM ^

Haven't you been watching this year? We have played a lot more zone on D this year, and played it a lot more proficiently. Crossers have been shut down, or put on their ass, with regularity. We're perhaps less talented but a great deal more multiple this year. That's what it will take to have a shot.

And I think the O has a shot to once again put up somewhere close to 39, hopefully leading to a much closer game.

b618

November 27th, 2019 at 3:01 AM ^

Last year, the game was close until about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.  Then the blocked punt happened, and the wheels came off.  Also, we had some key injuries prior to the game, then lost some top guys to injury during the game, and were then into the backups to the backups at some positions.

So, I was OK with it for a good long time, and I wasn't deeply disturbed by it afterwards.

We do get a fresh crack at beating Ohio State every year.

McGreenB

November 26th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^

Michigan will win. Why?
Urban Meyer can't let Ryan Day just walk in, take over his team, go undefeated and win the CFB. He knows the Michigan game doesn't matter in the scheme of OSU's season. He will purposefully give Ryan Day a bad strategy.  OSU will lose and Meyer can be will cement his stupid legacy. 

caup

November 26th, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^

Huge Factor in this Game:

Holding and DPI.

We have monster WRs that can only be contained if they get interfered with.  If the refs do not call clear DPIs on OSU we're screwed.

We have agile, darty defenders who rely on knifing past big OL to make stops.  If the refs do not call clear HOLDING penalties on OSU we're screwed.

This game will be close enough to be determined by the officiating.

Yinka Double Dare

November 26th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^

Day won't be there for decades, NFL will come calling extremely soon, the "young offensive guy" is kind of the thing for NFL coach hires these days. 

I still want Stephen Ross to hire him after this season, requiring OSU to actually have to coach search this time, and revenge for Steinbrenner buying our QB off our team back in 2001. 

Ty Butterfield

November 26th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^

It isn’t a rivalry anymore. It is just a game Michigan loses at the end of every season. The only hope for Michigan is that Ryan Day leaves for the NFL after next season and OSU finally has bad luck as far as hiring a coach. As long as Day is there Michigan isn’t winning The Game.

BornInA2

November 26th, 2019 at 12:51 PM ^

Sadly true. 1-15 is a long time and doesn't denote a rivalry.

Bums me out that cheating has become an acceptable way to be the best in college football. Chase Young takes money from an agent. Two years later he gets caught. Calls the agent a 'family friend', claims to have paid back the money, and is allowed to not only stay on the team, but misses only two games against wildly inferior opponents.

"Cheat, then lie" is how, by my estimation, teams like OSU get the best players year after year. And the NCAA does nothing to stop it.

MGolem

November 26th, 2019 at 2:03 PM ^

What's even more comical is how little publicity this story attracted. Everyone seemed to say "sure, we believe you Chase" and moved on. Nothing about the convenient timing of the "self-report." No digging into the background of the "family friend." It really does seem like the takeaway is go ahead and cheat, why not?

I have become numb to this game to a degree. Being played over Thanksgiving weekend allows for tons of other distractions. The loss gets swallowed up by so many other things. But I do take solace in knowing this particular Ohio State University is a football team and nothing else.  

Nickel

November 26th, 2019 at 11:46 AM ^

I hope they win, but Michigan's path to winning requires a lot more to go their way than a path for OSU. If turnovers and weird-shit ends up about a wash or tilt in their favor it's another OSU win. Plus they've got game-changers in Fields, Dobbins and Young, and Michigan has....? Uche, maybe Collins?

I think both teams will score some points, but Young is going to single-handedly wreck a few drives and I think those are what will prevent Michigan from keeping pace.

caup

November 26th, 2019 at 12:17 PM ^

Another important factor:

The crowd can/will affect the outcome. 

1. Crowd noise absolutely disrupts OSU's preferred snap/check techniques and forces them to do things pre-snap that they aren't used to doing, which could lead to pre-snap penalties.

SO GET LOUD.

2. The crowd MUST give the refs HOLY HELL if there are bad/missed calls! The crowd's reaction to that horrible DPI call in the ND game was a THING OF BEAUTY.  As the boos and towels rained down upon them as hard as the rain, the refs KNEW they fucked up and the calls evened out.

We know B10 refs are part-time schmucks and DO get affected by the crowd. 

THE HOME CROWD MUST AFFECT THE REFS.

Totally2

November 26th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^

Michigan Wins: Fools Gold?

Complication: Self-deception is a fundamental, selected app for relationship interface.

eg: People think they're about 20% better looking than they are.

“When people are shown a full array of photos of themselves, from 50 percent more attractive to 50 percent less attractive, they choose the 20 percent better-looking photo as the one they like the most and think they most resemble. This is an important general result: self deception is bounded—30 percent better looking is implausible, while 10 percent better fails to gain the full advantage.” Robert Trivers — The Folly of Fools — (Trivers: Stud biologist)

Drink the 1969 wine? 

MGoStrength

November 26th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^

Just contain the stars (Young & Fields).  Don't let Young get pressure every snap.  If he does Shea's numbers will nose dive.  His resurgence has coincided with good protection and plenty of time to throw from clean pockets.  How do that unless Jake Long or Taylor Lewan walk through the door idk.  And, don't let Fields run all over the place.  Force him to beat you, contain him, and make him dink and dunk his way down the field.  How to do that unless Mo Hurst, Devin Bush, and Brandon Graham walk through the door idk either.  They may still lose, but at least it will be in the 35-20 range instead of the 52-35 range.  Just don't look ugly so the offseason has hope.

jmblue

November 26th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^

since they got bitten by radioactive spiders at halftime of the PSU game

It's become received wisdom here that something happened at halftime (Harbaugh's "your finest hour" speech?) to light a fire under the team, but if the refs just call the clear DPI on the guy covering Black, and don't call OPI on Nico Collins, we probably score a lot more than seven points in the first half.

kwallace23

November 26th, 2019 at 1:34 PM ^

Big if for the Big Ten refs to fall against the conference’s best chance to go to the playoffs. Which makes it even dumber that Michigan schedules non conference game. 
Also why can’t Michigan ever be at home when they are relatively even with OSU, like in 2016 and 2018? Even one win would change the programs’ trajectories.

caup

November 26th, 2019 at 4:05 PM ^

I hear what you're saying, and that's generally correct. 

However, in this particular case, if OSU loses a close road game to Michigan (who'd then be in the Top 10) but then destroys a Top 10 MN/WI team in the Big Ten Title game they would almost certainly still make the CFP.

They would have the best 1-loss resume in the country, hands down.  They would also have better wins than any of the other 1-loss teams.

Wolverine 73

November 26th, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^

Man, what a collection of Debbie Downers.  Good thing you guys weren’t on the 1969 team, you would have convinced yourselves and everyone else we had no chance.  We’re at home.  Prior years’ games have no bearing on this game.  We are playing well.  Come out aggressive, contain Fields, and win the fucking game!  OSU has played no one other than an overrated Penn State team, in Columbus.  We can win this game.

kwallace23

November 26th, 2019 at 1:18 PM ^

Why have your standards gone so far down. How can an OSU first year head coach do better than a proven, veteran coach at Michigan. Why is OSU able to do things Michigan cannot? Instead of sulking and accepting being in a different tier, why can’t Michigan do something about it? 
 

Unless OSU does things Michigan refuses to do (cheat), which might explain why there was very little attrition after losing a HOF coach and replacing with a first year coach, which of course, makes no sense whatsoever.

kwallace23

November 26th, 2019 at 1:25 PM ^

Also, when did OSU start beating Michigan consistently? When they hired a known cheater who went on to cheat at OSU and then Meyer carried that baton. It’s no difficult to see why the rivalry has turned and once you cheat and win, recruiting gets easier and you don’t need to cheat as much. So either Michigan will keep losing while being ethical, or get to OSU’s level by cheating (the only way anybody can get to that level). The NCAA has ruined a great sport.

Toe Meets Leather

November 26th, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^

Like everyone has said, I wouldn't be devastated if we lose if M plays well and gets beat by the better team or flat out gets the doors blown off.  What would be devastating would be if some wonky things happen in a close game (unlucky tipped INT, questionable call, etc.) that go the opposite way that "cost us" a close game.

 

Who am I kidding, I'm going to be devastated if we lose no matter what.  Eternal optimist. 

BG Wolverine

November 26th, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^

The truest line in that whole write up: 

"Ace: Yeah, as if there’s any chance they wouldn’t lead into the next game with “Jim Harbaugh is only 1-4 against Ohio State.” That’s also true."

Sadly it's going to take quite a few wins to shut up the talking heads and cooler pooper fans about the last 2 decades.

BlueMan80

November 26th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^

Every player on the team needs to play their best game on Sat.  At the same time, we need OSU to turn the ball over and make some mistakes.  It's about damn time they helped us by not playing their best game against us.  Regression to the mean baby!

JHumich

November 26th, 2019 at 4:42 PM ^

This

Ace: Can Nico Collins sit on the heads of two people at once? Also possible.

I believe that he can do this consistently.

Also, Uche > Chase Young

If we get rolling early, and stop them a couple times, we're not just going to win. We're going to dominate.

jsquigg

November 26th, 2019 at 6:10 PM ^

I'm certainly not going to tell anyone with eyes that they should feel good about a U of M victory.  What I will say is that this is the best the team has played in November going into "The Game."

'15: Someone compared this to '15 which I think is less than accurate.  The Minnesota game came down to the last play and they went to OT against Indiana.  Blown out after competitive first half in "The Game."

'16: Got Kinnick'd, had weird Indiana game after Speight injury (he had been clicking somewhat before) and then the screw job that doesn't need to be rehashed.

'17: Whole year was an injury filled disjointed mess.  "The Game" featured the year's best game plan but got O'Korned in the end (also a dropped pick 6 up two scores).

'18: This was Harbaugh's best year until it wasn't.  Indiana exposed some things, blah, blah, blah, and then THAT happened.  Fuck.

'19: Since second half Penn State everything has been a ham blasting.  There are things to nit pick, but I think the lingering BPONE is related to the early season woes and our rivals being so good, but they are ripe for an upset, and I expect Michigan to be laser focused on "The Game."  

Reasons for optimism:

1) Home game

2) Michigan has NEVER played better this late in the year going into "The Game"

3) Ohio State's road schedule to this point has been garbage

If we get the year's best game plan we will win.  Go blue, and for the love of God beat these bastards!!! 

maddogcody

November 27th, 2019 at 3:44 AM ^

I think we are all ready to see Michigan beat Ohio State. I think it happens this year. I don't know how... but "Hungry Dogs Hunt Best". Just make HDHB your mantra for the next 3+ days... it just might clear up your case of BPONE.

GO BLUE!