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Seth November 26th, 2019 at 9:00 AM

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Nick's Question:

How do you need this season to end to not have another crappy offseason?

The responses:

Ace: As long as the offense doesn’t go back to what they were doing at the beginning of the season, a lot of the potential for my personal crappy offseason feels has already gone away. Just don’t get blown out.

Adam: That's where I'm at as well. Just keep it competitive. I think about this a lot:

Ace: …and how this OSU team then exceeded expectations. Assholes.

BiSB: Exactly. This was supposed to be "The Year" because Urban Meyer's departure left an opening. Which... what had happened was...

Seth: They just get to have whatever they want.

BiSB: That said, it looked a little dicey mid-season for reasons that wore neither scarlet nor gray.

The Mathlete: I think where Michigan is at right now (performance, not record) is close to pre-season best case scenario. The offense is humming, diverse and modern. The defense looks like what Don Brown does best, an eclectic set of pieces that come together for greatness

Seth: See, that's part of the conspiracy right? Like whomever's controlling the OSU dynasty that is our reality thought it was funny to set fumbles to 99 and play-calling AI to zero at first, but now it's later in the season and it's no fun to trounce Michigan if we don't look good.

The Mathlete: The problem is the other side is about two standard deviations above the preseason best case scenario for them.

Ace: lol, good lord. Who’s excited to hit the jump?

[After THE JUMP: Existentialist RPOs]

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Ace: I actually feel pretty okay about this game?

BiSB: /giphy that's bait

Ace: Mostly because I’m in a place where I can’t be hurt by sports anymore barring very extreme scenarios.

Adam: I try not to feel feelings anymore but it's hard to deny the trajectory both sides of the ball have been on since they got bitten by radioactive spiders at halftime of the PSU game.

Brian: I don't feel good about it, but that's good because it can't hurt me like last year's game. After which I wandered out into the woods for about 40 minutes.

Ace: Penn State drew up a half-assed blueprint with clear areas Michigan can/should improve upon, mostly in the passing game.

Seth: Also make Ohio State fumble a lot.

The Mathlete: It's the 2018 Indiana, but in reverse, that's the ticket.

Ace: Constricting the pocket on Justin Fields and hoping that forces him to fumble because he apparently throws an interception once every blue moon is a part of that plan, yeah.

Brian: Yeah at least it sets up that Michigan can probably just do what they've been doing without a spy; Fields will get some yards on scrambles but probably not a crippling amount.

Seth: I'm feeling very 2015. Michigan is doing neat stuff, is done punching itself in the face, has some bona fide stars young and grown to be excited about. And it just so happens we live in a time when the gap between the richest 1% and the richest 2% is vast and unconquerable without stupid luck.

Ace: Michigan also has Uche, which is nice.

Brian: I worry that they'll just tight zone Michigan to death but then I think "I mean if OSU's just running up the middle a ton is that so bad?"

Seth: Penn State did a really good job of jamming up the middle, but it meant getting very gashed when Fields kept. Course Michigan doesn't have a Robert Windsor. And I don't think you can get away with three-man lines against this. Fields versus their walk-on ILB went not great.

Ace: I worry that 90% of the game is going to come down to “can Michigan block Chase Young long enough to have a deep passing game that doesn’t occasionally implode” and I don’t feel great about that. Can they get away with max protect shots to Nico Collins? I’m ready to find out.

BiSB: At a minimum, it feels like we won't get a replay of last year because Michigan is more 'multiple' in both phases than they were last year. They got pounded in 2015 and 2018 largely because they couldn't solve one basic, repetitive thing. I believe Ohio State can adjust, but at least Michigan can hopefully force them to try to do so.

Brian: Michigan's pass protection has been the best I've seen it but the weak spot is the tackles going 1v1, and, uh... I mean, find Chase Young and chip him on every play and if that lets OSU double Nico so be it, there are other options.

BiSB: Can Michigan try a 2018 Indiana and double the edges and let the interior survive 1-on-1?

Brian: That's what I'd do.

Seth: The one thing Michigan can do that nobody on OSU's schedule this year could is block Landers, Cornell, and Hamilton.

Ace: Can Nico Collins sit on the heads of two people at once? Also possible.

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and tell me that you love me. [Bryan Fuller]

Brian: I mean if you get a chip from Charbonnet he can then go out in the flat and someone does have to be in the area.

BiSB: It's nice that Penn State reminded anyone who was unsure, "singling Chase Young for an afternoon is a bad idea."

Ace: SIT ON EVERYONE’S HEADS.

Brian: Changes what you can run with receivers 4 and 5 but not necessarily their existence.

Seth: Penn State tried to single-block Chase Young all day with Will Fries!! FRAAAMES!!!

BiSB: And it's not like Michigan has thrown to the back that often this year anyway.

Brian: The other thing that's jumped out about the offensive of late is the emergence of a real, genuine cutting-edge RPO all day every day game. Those plays do a lot to neutralize a DL. If Michigan can find soft spots like they did in the last two games...

Seth: The one spot Ohio State fans think is attackable in their defense is the strong safety, which we call Rover and they call "slot cornerback" this year. Which goes to that RPO game.

Ace: I believe James Light mentioned that PSU gameplan largely resulted from them carrying relatively few plays in their playbook on a given week, which I don’t worry about with Harbaugh/Gattis.

Brian:

BiSB: If their linebackers have a weakness, they do tend to overrun stuff. They'll probably be pretty aggressive against the run, and those quick slants and hitches will be there.

Ace: Gattis’s MSU gameplan was a mess-with-linebackers masterpiece.

Seth: Those linebackers were allowed to blitz a lot last year. I would like to imagine "are you going to allow Malik Harrison free shots at the quarterback on play-action that doesn't play-act anything that's actually in our running game?" was left out of the interview process because it was understood.

Ace: XFL-ass offense. Too soon?

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The guy in the background laughed. [Patrick Barron]

Seth: They did put up 39 last year. Getting back to the original question if it looks like Michigan used their talent to the best of their abilities and Ohio State was just too good I'm not going to be mad about it.

Brian: Yeah if it's a game and they lose to a team that's currently tracking amongst the best in the last 15-20 years of college football, ok. The talking heads will be annoying but if Michigan can go to a diverse two-high approach and also get locked in on Gattis's scheme that's a good platform for the future. Hamblastings of MSU and Notre Dame are soothing balms.

Ace: Is there any chance OSU finally comes out flat given they’re already all but guaranteed a spot in the playoff if they win the conference title game? I feel that’s how it’ll be retconned if they lose.

Seth: Maybe if we dress up as Rutgers?

Brian: No. Their whole program is based on ludicrous year-long hate.

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I don't give a damn for the thing that I'm singing 'bout, I wrote a whole song for it because I don't care at all 'bout it. [Barron]

Seth: And most of these players are used to playing in playoffs.

Ace: Maybe Ryan Day is secretly related to John Cooper.

Brian: Maybe Michigan will have the John O'Korn gameplan without John O'Korn.

Ace: 2013 was wildly unexpected! They were just a month late with the game-winning playcall.

Seth: Too soon.

Warning: dead dove inside.

So let's talk bowl games. In the unlikely event that we do beat Ohio State does Michigan have a chance of going to the Rose Bowl or is that lost because Penn State has a head to head as the number two Big Ten team?

Brian: Rose Bowl can do what it wants and Michigan is already ranked ahead of PSU. They would take M in a heartbeat. But you know we're going to play Florida.

Ace: The second least-anticipated revenge game of all time.

Seth: I think save-scumming NCAA dynasty-playing OSU kid has been setting up a Michigan-Georgia game for a long time but can't get the algorithm to work.

BiSB: I'm almost more afraid of this game from a meta level than from just the impacts on 2019. There's no particular shame in losing to a Megazord like this Ohio State team, but the risk of Ryan Day doing the same thing the last two guys did (stepping in and immediately establishing comprehensive, soul dong-crushing dominance) is more than I care to contemplate. Especially because if he does, Day could be there for two decades.

Seth: See I wasn't even thinking past the drive-by Harbaugh takes.

Ace: To be honest I fear the reactions from inside the house, so to speak. But that’s mostly because of what I chose to do for a living. I don’t care what Paul Finebaum has to say because I’m very good at not putting him on my television. But it’d be nice to check my mentions without, you know, overwhelming existential dread.

BiSB: The drive-by Harbaugh takes will ALWAYS be there. So will the reactions from inside the house, truth be told.

Ace: Yeah, as if there’s any chance they wouldn’t lead into the next game with “Jim Harbaugh is only 1-4 against Ohio State.” That’s also true.

BiSB: I just want to be able to see those takes and laugh. I just want a nice thing.

Brian: Indeed, nice things are nice.

Ace: When was the last rivalry trifecta season?

Seth: 2003.

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I kept the photos. [MGoBlue.com used to publish these after the game. This took a lot of storage space.]

Ace: That’d be nice. Michigan was 9-2 entering that game after suffering a couple really stupid early season losses. They had an enormous jump-ball monster receiver. There are some parallels.

Seth: Today Maurice Clarett would just get a two-game suspension.

Ace: So I think it’s time to admit how we all feel about this game?

Ace: [five minutes later]

Nobody wants to do this.

BiSB: I've gone through twenty-seven drafts of Punt/Counterpunt already. None has made it past sentence #2. We've all seen this year. We all saw last year. We all saw the last two decades.

Ace: [five minutes later]

FINE

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IT’S GOTTA HAPPEN SOMETIME

I’M A BASKETBALL WRITER, I CAN’T BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS

6'4 > 6'1, Michigan beats Ohio State

LOGGING OUT

 

Seth: My take is still most of my notifications:

We are Auburn without luck.

Brian: I just want both teams to try hard and have fun.

Comments

wellmana

November 26th, 2019 at 9:31 AM ^

Not ashamed to admit I will find something else to do on Saturday at noon.  Game will be on the DVR if there is a miracle.  I just won't survive having my soul ripped out of my body...again.  

BuckeyeChuck

November 26th, 2019 at 11:46 AM ^

You both suck, I negged you both. Michigan can win this. Do I hope so? Heck no! Is it likely? It's less likely than likely, but they can win it.

I'm fearful every year that each year could be the year Michigan wins. I get a knot in my stomach every year. It doesn't matter whether OSU has won 3 in a row, 7 in a row, or 20 in a row, I'm always fearful that Michigan will win the next game.

I'm more fearful that Michigan will win than you are confident that Michigan will win. In other words, I think Michigan has a better chance to win than either of you do.

You both are pathetic.

dragonchild

November 26th, 2019 at 12:45 PM ^

I'm fearful every year that each year could be the year Michigan wins. I get a knot in my stomach every year. It doesn't matter whether OSU has won 3 in a row, 7 in a row, or 20 in a row, I'm always fearful that Michigan will win the next game.

Jeebus, why?  Not only does OSU have the better athletes and better coaching, they've consistently had better luck.  When UM isn't punching itself in the face -- which is fully half the time -- things just get stupid instead.  We lose our starting QB and the backup is overwhelmed; you guys get an upgrade.  The one recent year Michigan was the better team, the B1G put publicly known OSU homers in charge of officiating.  And it's not like you guys have struggled against UM these days.  MSU and PSU have more consistently given OSU dogfights.  Going by history, over the past decade an OSU win over UM is more expected than a UM win over Rutgers.  It's rather flattering to still call it a rivalry at this point.

You should probably take a class in risk assessment.  Statistically people worry needlessly about the wrong things; you've definitely got problems in your life that are less of a sure thing than this game.

BuckeyeChuck

November 26th, 2019 at 3:04 PM ^

I get nervous because Ohio State hasn't won the next game. And I never want it to turn.

Winning 7 in a row is great. But winning 7 in a row sucks if it doesn't lead to 8 in a row. Winning 8 in a row would be great! But 8 in a row would suck if it doesn't lead to 9 in a row.

It's always about the next game. There's always a next game, never to be fully satisfied with where things are.

If Michigan wins, you guys would soak it in, and you should. But you should never be satisfied with a 1-game winning streak unless it leads to a 2-game winning streak.

It's never enough. Never fully satisfying, because there's always the next game.

WFNY_DP

November 26th, 2019 at 4:16 PM ^

Come down and watch it in Columbus for two decades straight and then tell me about how bad a fan I am.

I guess if, after the last 15 years of data, being willing to have your insides shown to you each and every year while the entirety of your family and friends laugh at you and then signing up for it again the next year is what it takes for me to be a "true fan" then, yep, I'm a sniveling fusspot.

I'd rather have to come back here on Monday and have you all mock me than sit through another four fucking hours of that. Again. And again. And again. For the gajillionth year in a row.

b618

November 27th, 2019 at 2:44 AM ^

BuckeyeChuck is calling you PBONERS out.

You guys fold before The Game is even played.

Don't psych yourselves out -- psych yourselves up.

Michigan has its chance to win.  For F's sake, you guys know that.  You've seen all sorts of games where underdogs pull off the upset.  A few from this year:  Unranked 6-5 Arizona State beat #6 Oregon.  Unranked 2-3 South Carolina beat #3 Georgia -- at Georgia!  Unranked 4-2 Kansas State beat #5 Oklahoma.

Michigan is not unranked.  It is a great team.

Regardless, cheer for your team.  Have some morale, don't give up, fight to the end.  Be a Wolverine.

And if it doesn't turn out your way, don't be a candy ass.  Get over it.  Every year, we get a fresh crack at it.

Jonesy

November 26th, 2019 at 7:59 PM ^

It is a yearly tradition that I go to my parents' house to watch the game together, suffer some kind of awful defeat, and be pissed off and wish I'd never gone at some point. It just ruins the rest of the damn holiday weekend. I'm hoping to get away with proposing we check the score (since we watch it later off dvr anyway) and then doing ANYTHING ELSE after seeing that we lost yet again...or actually enjoying watching an OSU game for the first time in 20ish years (we almost lost to that shitty 6-6 fickell team) in the event a miracle happens. I'm too old and had too many heartbreaks, in football and basketball, to waste my time and happiness watching a loss.

UMBSnMBA

November 26th, 2019 at 9:35 AM ^

This is what they have been saving the Shea Patterson running game for.  The passing game is fully weaponized.  That is the last piece left.  If Shea doesn't keep on an option read at least 5 times, well, I'll, I'll ...

Greg McMurtry

November 26th, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^

Double chase young all game, throw to Nico. If Nico is doubled, hit Ronnie Bell in the slot all game. Change up doubling Chase Young, with a chip on Young and TE to the flat or RB to the flat (whomever the chip player may be.)

dragonchild

November 26th, 2019 at 11:08 AM ^

I like the idea of the chip player being Ben Mason.

Per upthread, I don't like the idea of Mason getting a clean hit on Young in the (open) backfield.  He'll get slipped.

I do like the idea of a delayed double where the tackle singles up Young and then Mason meets him there, preferably with violence.  Young can flip sides all he wants; we'll motion Mason to his side all game.  Mason can function as a quasi-TE; he has adequate pass-catching ability.

Edit:  Which I guess is what caup had in mind all along.

caup

November 26th, 2019 at 9:53 AM ^

Seth's outlook captures my thoughts exactly.  Like... exactly.

 

OSU's one-two punch of Dobbins and Fields is unstoppable. 

Fuck the NCAA for allowing Fields' bullshit hardship transfer with no redshirt. What a joke.

Why?  Why allow that?  OSU is completely mortal with a different QB.

ScruffyTheJanitor

November 26th, 2019 at 9:55 AM ^

Last year flat-out broke me. It was the first time when I had convinced myself we would win since 2011, and then for that to happen.... nope, I am not getting sucked in again. BPONE has taken me. The only reason to watch is the masochistic absurdity of it all.

Here is how I see the game going:  Michigan will be up 10-3 at the end of the first quarter (we might win this!). Halftime will find us down 17-13. (Holy crap, we may do this!). 

Then, we will be slowly dismembered in the second half. No big plays, no drama-- just a sterile vivisection with a thousand little cuts. A sack here. 8 Yard run there. Another sack over here.  7 yard pass on 3rd-and 5 there. Missed PI call followed by a thunderous sack next. Dumb interception over the middle when DPJ is open for a walk-in touchdown. Shea scrambling around for his life-- while Chase Young is on the sideline. McCaffery throws for a TD with 10 minutes left-- then spend the rest of the game getting the snot beat out of him.

We lose 48-20

SteelCityMafia

November 26th, 2019 at 11:15 AM ^

This is how I feel, too. In a way I'd rather get blown out than die the slow "death slide" where you can barely feel the scale tipping but can't stop it and are just along for the ride. Don't get me wrong, they're both sickening, but at least with the blowout I can mentally disconnect myself from the torture and try to block all that out of my brain. With a latter kind of game it's just death by a thousand cuts, blargh.

 

EDIT: 52-28, OSU takes it.

mgobleu

November 26th, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^

Just once, as the inevitable punch in the soul dong comes rifling toward our nethers, can Mr Patterson please just do his senior duty and drop this bad boy on their bloated buckeyed heads? It's all we ask of you Shea...

 

Northville

November 26th, 2019 at 10:08 AM ^

Indiana. Nebraska. Northwestern. Rutgers.

Those are the road games OSU has played this year. This OSU team is overrated thanks to a historical joke of a schedule and is in for a dogfight vs. a peaking UM team on Saturday in THE BIG HOUSE.

STAND UP OLD PEOPLE! AND YOUNG PEOPLE! AND BLOGGERS! 

 

GO BLUE. 

 

MadMatt

November 26th, 2019 at 10:11 AM ^

I'm a simple man. We have two games left, and they're both big games. Win one of them, and I'm happy heading into the off season. Let's review why.

In the 21st Century, Michigan has finished the season losing the last two games about three times as often as not. Our team has sucked not only against OSU, we have a pretty dismal Bowl record recently. Yes, it's the original anti-Carr drive by take from back in the day. It's still a soul crushing coda that lingers for MONTHS.  Going 0-5 vs. OSU and 1-3 against new OSU head coaches would suck, but just watch how the tone in the off season changes with a nice Bowl win.

Regarding OSU, I'm guardedly optimistic. Not because I have some specific reason to think 2019 is "the year." I don't believe in those things, AND I also don't believe in one team continuing to perform 2+ standard deviations above the norm. Those assholes haven't had one flat performance all season! How normal is that in college football?! I'm not saying it will happen this year. I am saying we have a warped sense of how well they will play against us, and how good we have to be to win. Even if there is a large gulf in talent between our two teams, it's just plain unnatural for the better team to always win 15 tries in a row. Just ask Purdue, MSU, PSU or Kinnick Iowa about the damnedest ways they've upset the Schmuckeyes.

mitchewr

November 26th, 2019 at 1:06 PM ^

Every single year people say "OSU just can't continue to perform at such a high level forever...they have to fall back to the statistical norm soon!"

And every single year OSU gets better and better. They go from John Cooper, who won 3 conference titles and had 5 seasons with 10+ wins, to an upgrade via a man named Jim Tressel, who went undefeated in his second season winning a natty and only had two seasons with less than 10 wins plus 6 straight conference titles, then after one interim season they upgrade AGAIN with one of the greatest coaches of all time in Urban Meyer. And now that Urban has left they have (seemingly) upgraded YET AGAIN to Ryan Day who somehow managed to get Fields immediate eligibility ("hardship" total BS), has the 4th best recruiting class in the country, and who's offense looks even better than the ones Urban fielded...

So no, sorry, but after decades of watching OSU literally upgrade and improve with every single coaching change I do not believe in them reverting back to any sort of statistical norm. If they were going to revert to some kind of statistical norm, then it would've happened LONG before now.

It's like saying that volcano over there hasn't erupted for over 150,000 years so it's "due" to go off...LoL OK...sure...I'll be sure to purchase some volcano insurance right away!

MadMatt

November 27th, 2019 at 5:02 PM ^

Shall I do the probability for you?  OSU has won 14 out of the last 15 games.  Let's assume for the moment that they are clearly superior, and have a 67% (2-1) chance of winning any given game.  The chances of taking 14 out of 15 are 0.67^14 (i.e. to the 14th or 0.67x0.67x...fourteen times) x 0.33 x 15 (this is the chance of losing one game and winning the other 14) plus 0.67^15 (the chance of winning all 15 games).  That equals 2.1%; in other words only 1 time in 50 tries!

You're right; winning the next game has the same chance regardless of what happened before.  But, don't try to tell me OSU is so much better that LUCK didn't have something to do with it.  Our chances of winning any one specific game are a hell of a lot more likely that a volcano erupting.

It's college football.  Every game is a new roll of the dice.

Merlin.64

November 26th, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^

I suppose that losing to OSU has become a trend in recent years, but those of us with longer memories recall that this rivalry game has a venerable tradition of the lower-ranked team pulling off an upset. As Harbaugh will no doubt remind his players.

Pressure?

Go Blue!

GoBlue1969

November 26th, 2019 at 11:37 AM ^

This is true the past few years-

2015- Ohio lost to Sparty in bad fashion at home the week before The Game. So they came in pissed, and took their anger out on us. And turnovers and bad playcalling. Loss.

2016 the game was in our hands, and Speight threw a pick six, and another bad pick and then evened the game. Shot ourselves in the foot. Then it came down to the referees and they handed it over to the Lucks. Loss

2017- O'Korn- enough said. We were in that game. Loss.

2018- Yikes- went in too confident and everyone thought and predicted a Michigan victory- They were a 3 point underdog at home to us. Pissed them off. Beat down.

This year seems different. Ask me my thoughts on this game early in the season and I am deflated and give in to BPONE- we have no chance. But, this team has righted itself, and is poised for either a glorious win, or..... another let down. Just play competitive. That's all. We have a chance.

Go Blue!!

Salinger

November 26th, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^

Brian: Yeah at least it sets up that Michigan can probably just do what they've been doing without a spy; Fields will get some yards on scrambles but probably not a crippling amount.

...Famous last words? Sure hope not!!

Maize4Life

November 26th, 2019 at 10:30 AM ^

I WANT to be optomistic but I find it difficult seeing as how many times Ive been disappointed. I expect us to get blown out yet again I have seen nothing this year that would i dicate we can beat OSU...sadly

GoBlue1969

November 26th, 2019 at 10:43 AM ^

I am cautiously impressed with this team the last few weeks- everyone saw it in the second half of the PSU game. Then against ND, Maryland, State and a much improved and motivated Indiana team on the road. Things don't look perfect, but they look good enough. The offense is clicking. The defense will give up points- just need to contain- bend don't crumble, and hopefully the offense will score enough to keep the defense off the field. 

We win this year. Ohio has not played a tough game on the road yet. Maybe that doesn't bother them, but adversity at home like last week is easier to overcome than on the road. Let's hope we test their resolve and make them play 60 minutes and know they played the Wolverines. Last year, it felt like we channeled Rutgers.

Be Wolverines Saturday!!! Silence the Buckeyes (Who when they do lose, will simply say but we won the B1G East anyways) FU*%ERS.

Go Blue!! Beat Ohio! That is all

 

BornInA2

November 26th, 2019 at 10:52 AM ^

My predictions:

1. OSU gets a shit-ton of latitude on DPI: Their DBs are just so good that it can't be PI, right? #flagssewnintopocket

2. OSU brings the house in on Patterson because he hasn't shown he can deal with that. They will tinker with the numbers until they reach the fewest rushers possible that instill his premature scramble instinct.

3. OSU will come out with the crossing routes because they cannot believe that M has improved against them that much. Covering them well enough results in LB evacuation of the middle, at which time Fields runs wild.

4. It's going to be another long game, with copious morning alcohol for those of us on the west coast.