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Brian September 13th, 2023 at 2:30 PM

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The State of our NIL. Deeply ironic that Michael Rosenberg is the one to write a story on Michigan's NIL program after the whole Freep investigation thing—which portrayed a series of minor envelope-pushes from Rodriguez as a program that was violating NCAA regulations on countable hours by a factor of three—but since he did and it has some insight into the murkiest thing in college football, link grudgingly deployed. Sounds like whatever deficiencies led Hunter Dickinson to Kansas don't apply to football:

[Corum] bought two rental properties in his home state of Virginia and invested in an apartment complex in Michigan to “make sure I have that cash flow coming in on a regular basis.” As he points out: “A lot of kids leave college, and they don’t have any money. They just have debt.”

Corum did not give out an exact number but asserted he is "in the 1%." And since NIL cannot be used as a recruiting inducement you get a lot of up front promises that are not backed by binding contracts. The result:

“I have a lot of friends from different schools and different programs where they’re getting promised money up front, whether it’s the [transfer] portal or in recruiting, and when they get to the program, they’re just not getting what they were told,” Keegan says. “That’s causing a lot of problems in other locker rooms.”

Corum says he has friends at other schools who tell similar stories: “They’d never signed anything, so therefore, they didn’t get it.”

Keegan says he made 50-70k between the Big Ten championship game and TCU and expects to bring in low to mid six figures this year. As a guard! Who is the second best guard on the team!

Also in the Blake Corum, perfect human files:

[Edwards and Corum] have done joint autograph signings and have talked about building low-income housing together someday.

Blake Corum may have opinions about downtown FAR premiums.

[After THE JUMP: Mel Tucker items.]

Mel Tucker updates. Suspended without pay, went private on twitter, waiting approximately one month for his hearing. Released a statement…

…through his lawyer that references Jim Harbaugh for some reason and asserts that the "'hearing scheduled for October 5-6 is ridiculously flawed and not designed to arrive at the truth." Certainly reads like posturing to get his buyout because not even Mel Tucker is delusional enough to believe he's ever coaching another college football game.

Even if he's innocent, his conduct in the aftermath of the complaint being filed is obviously disqualifying (he said, ignoring Art Briles being on the field at Oklahoma):

During the interview, Tucker also made an explosive new allegation: He said his associate had told him that renowned ESPN investigative reporter Paula Lavigne was investigating the veracity of the gang-rape story at the heart of Tracy’s public persona. The information, Tucker said, made him question how Tracy “goes about her business.”

Veidlinger did not address this allegation in her report, but Lavigne denied the allegation.

“Neither (Tracy's) organization nor Tracy is or has been the target of any investigative reporting,” Lavigne said in a statement to USA TODAY. “I’m perplexed that Mel Tucker would respond to a complaint of sexual harassment by involving me or ESPN.”

Welcome to an NFL quality control job.

Meanwhile Brenda Tracy asserted that she came forward to USA Today after someone on the Michigan State side of things leaked her name to the media. What motivation someone inside MSU would have to leak this now, two games into the season, instead of over the summer, is unclear. Post-leak seems worse for MSU than the previous situation by a lot, and it doesn't seem like leaking is going to help MSU as they try to get out of the buyout—seems like it would hurt, actually. Meanwhile Michigan State officials have asserted that they were aware there was a complaint but had no idea about the details of that complaint…

…which seems to conflict with Tracy's assertion that someone from MSU leaked her name. I seriously doubt anyone in the Title IX office would do that.

The LSJ reports that it's unclear what steps MSU took to monitor Tucker's behavior after the complaint was filed, which has particular resonance since Larry Nassar was given several protocols to follow after a 2014 Title IX investigation:

Those protocols included having another person in the room during procedures of "anything close to a sensitive area" and modifying procedures to have "little to no" skin-to-skin contact, according to records.

At the time, the dean was William Strampel, who was later sentenced to a year in jail following a felony conviction for using his position to proposition and control female medical students.

Strampel only told one other person about the protocols. When the university fired Nassar in 2016, following an Indianapolis Star story that detailed sexual assault claims against him, the school discovered Nassar had not been following those protocols.

Even though it's deeply unlikely that Tucker was doing crimes that would have been stopped or uncovered by additional monitoring this should be the kind of thing MSU is hyper-vigilant about. It does not appear that is the case.

On the plus side for Tucker he's got Zach Smith and Clay Travis on his side, who I decline to link. If I ever have those two people on my side, I will voluntarily go to jail forever.

How the Worthy thing went down. From Xavier Worthy's perspective, anyway:

When he first picked Michigan, Worthy planned to be an early enrollee. His school district didn’t allow seniors to graduate early. Jones got creative. She got him enrolled in Apex Learning Virtual School, an online program, for the fall of 2020. It wasn’t easy to get that plan lined up without guidance counselors, but Jones ensured his class schedule met all graduation and NCAA initial eligibility requirements.

In early January 2021, two weeks before Worthy would move to Ann Arbor with J.J. McCarthy, Donovan Edwards and the Wolverines’ freshman enrollees, a problem emerged. Michigan has strict admissions standards for midyear enrollees, one former staffer said, and wasn’t able to get Worthy admitted into school. He was told that based on his academic profile, it would be better to enroll in June for U-M’s summer bridge program. His mother was stunned.

“For me, that didn’t fly,” she said. “I turned in all of his academic paperwork and applications in September. As far as I had been told, up until two weeks before, he was on track to enroll early. There was nothing missing, nothing short, they’d waived the SATs. It didn’t make sense. Something wasn’t right. What’s the problem and why am I finding out about this now?”

I can understand why Michigan isn't taking online high school courses, which the Bishop Sycamore wafts off of. For Michigan not to make it very clear to Worthy that Apex Learning wasn't going to cut it before it was time to enroll is not great. But then Worthy decommits and goes to Texas… where he enrolls after spring practice. So that didn't actually accelerate anything. Worthy and his mom cite broken trust between Michigan and themselves, which is fair. But frustrating.

Speaking of. Interesting film breakdown of Texas's bombs against Alabama by Dan Orlovsky:

As a resident of the state of Michigan I am obligated by law to mention that Orlovksy once ran out of his own endzone for a safety. Sorry, Dan, I don't make the law.

The Big Ten East needs a wealth tax. The inequality is out of control. Week 2 SP+:

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The next-highest Big Ten East team is #34 Maryland, which SP+ would make a two-touchdown dog against anyone 2 through 4.

Etc.: Joe Milton arm hagiography. OSU makes McCord the starter. Sixth year Iowa DT Noah Shannon has a year-long suspension upheld for gambling on a different Iowa team. Now we are the hunted. Mike Elston thinks his DL is good.

Comments

JBLPSYCHED

September 13th, 2023 at 2:41 PM ^

Can we arrange for Mike Rosenberg to be locked in an escape room with Mel Tucker for the purpose of hearing both sides of their respective fine/not fine behavioral transgressions?

Blue Vet

September 13th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^

The MSU prez & AD apparently didn't ask for information, though legally they were allowed to be kept up-to-date. ("Is there anything so far that I'll need to deal with?"). 

Instead, it's almost as if they didn't trust themselves to avoid violating other rules & regs—like leaking the name of the complainant—so they instead apparently stuck their head in the sand.

Carpetbagger

September 13th, 2023 at 3:13 PM ^

Non-consensual phone conversation ranks up there with fresh-frozen. Un-possible.

Tucker is a moron by any measure for this whole situation though. Married man trying to have a sexual relationship at work with a person whose job is talk about sexual harassment in the workplace.

Good for MSU though, they were given a get-out-of-jail-free card for the dumb contract they signed with Tucker and it looks like they are going to play it.

J. Redux

September 13th, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^

Non-consensual phone conversation ranks up there with fresh-frozen. Un-possible.

That's unfair.  Brenda Tracy suffers from PTSD.  It is entirely plausible that she might not think to hang up the phone if she were surprised by Mel's behavior.  She might well have been in shock.

The thing is: even if everything Mel Tucker said is true, it's terrible judgement and is a fireable offense.  We really don't need to parse out the he-said/she-said, because in the best possible view for Mel, he's still out.

Buy Bushwood

September 13th, 2023 at 4:37 PM ^

I find your argument specious, but acknowledge that Tucker is both a fool and a cretin for even being engaged in this kind of behavior with a coworker in her role. 

But how does someone's mental health diagnosis change the reach of laws that others are subjected to?  Does the fact that someone has PTSD mean that a behavior they don't like or that triggers them (but a behavior that is not inherently illegal) represents a crime or a more serious civil transgression than it would be against someone who doesn't have that diagnosis?  I don't think that's how the law works.  It may be fodder for extenuating circumstances to decide a level of criminal or civil punishment, AFTER someone is found culpable, but I don't see it as making someone guilty in a situation where a victim without PTSD would not lead to the same guilt. The fact is that she could have hung up and apparently did not.  If her ability to voluntarily stop the encounter was available and she did not avail herself because of her PTSD, that does not make someone guilty of something non-consensual because she froze up, unless it could be proven that he specifically planned and exploited this vulnerability.  From a legal point of view, these behaviors should be regarded exclusive of her personal history (the university and the behavioral expectations of the contract may rightfully hold him to a different standard and find that his behaviors were unacceptable against the expectations of his employ).  Otherwise these questions can become slippery slopes very quickly when an element of subjectivity tied to the victim's personal experiences becomes part of the legal calculus of consent.  

Blue@LSU

September 13th, 2023 at 5:20 PM ^

If her ability to voluntarily stop the encounter was available and she did not avail herself because of her PTSD, that does not make someone guilty of something non-consensual because she froze up, unless it could be proven that he specifically planned and exploited this vulnerability.

It was non-consensual the minute he whipped it out and started jerking without her consent, regardless of whether she stayed on the phone one second or one minute. 

I don't think anyone is arguing the PTSD is what made it non-consensual. J. Redux is just saying it can maybe explain why she didn't just hang up the phone.

MGoBlue96

September 13th, 2023 at 5:41 PM ^

Unless Mel got some sort of consent from her that phone sex is in fact occuring  whipping it and masturbating is sexual harassment regardless of if she didn't hang up or not. But yeah, the posters point was that sometimes during harassment or an assault the victim can be in a state of shock and it can create a paralysis of sorts which might explain why she did not hang up.

Buy Bushwood

September 13th, 2023 at 6:47 PM ^

Non consent to what?   Groaning?   Telling her he’s masturbating?   What act occurred that legally required consent? What law governs getting someone’s consent before you tell them you are masturbating while on the phone with them?  I’m unaware of ever hearing of a case of someone being prosecuted for something like that.  What would be their offense?   And again, my point isn’t about consent itself.  My point is about the idea that her having PTSD would somehow change the legal culpability. 

Blue@LSU

September 13th, 2023 at 7:07 PM ^

I think you are arguing with yourself at this point. You said J. Redux's argument was "specious" and then posed a counter-argument to something that no one was even arguing. If I need to spell it out, you said that PTSD doesn't make it nonconsensual. I said it has no effect on consent, and that no one was arguing that it did.

Now you are asking me what laws were broken when (a) this has never been a criminal legal issue (Tucker is not being "prosecuted" in a court of law), and, once again, (b) no one has argued that it was. He is not being arrested or being tried in a court of law. This is either about a Title IX violation or a violation of university policy. Think of it like sexual harassment/hostile workplace. You can have consensual relationships in the workplace that are not a violation of policy. But if that is not the case, and there is no consent, you can't just whip your dick out and start masturbating, on the phone or face-to-face.

Buy Bushwood

September 14th, 2023 at 9:53 AM ^

You're conflating what I said.  I said PTSD doesn't change the scope of consent, and you agree.  I also said that I'm doubtful that legal consent (legal being criminal, civil, contractual- I'm well aware he's not being prosecuted) is applicable in a strange circumstance like Mel's declared stroking with the handset pinched to his ear.  Consent is a legally defined construct applied to certain circumstances which this appears to fall short of (hence there are no charges).  Obviously, a contract that holds one to generally held decent behaviors in one's public and private life can be invoked in a broader sense.

Also, your last sentence is problematic, as you conflate whipping your dick out as being the same on the phone (verbally stated that one did this only) versus face-to-face.  While both show problems with judgment, the two aren't even remotely equivalent.  The latter finds an individual in jail immediately and soon a registered sex offender.  The former has never led to any prosecution that I've ever heard of.  

Needs

September 14th, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^

I 1000% guarantee you that this incident -- Tucker masturbating on a call with her while informing her that he was doing so -- violates the definition of consent as contained within MSU's sexual harassment policies, which is the governing legal (contractual) standard in this case. This guarantee is based on having completed trainings for those kinds of university policies (though not at MSU) for 15 years. Even if they had a consensual relationship (and I doubt they did), he was almost certainly required to disclose the existence of the relationship to the AD, given that she was a university vendor and that Tucker had authority over her continuing contracting with MSU.

While that may not be criminal sexual assault, it is a clear violation of MSU's sexual harassment policies, and compliance with those policies is a term of his contract. 

Needs

September 13th, 2023 at 7:35 PM ^

He’s not being prosecuted, he’s getting fired, and he’s getting fired because engaging in such activity, with a university vendor whom he has power over (he determines whether or not she would be invited to continue her professional relationship with MSU) is a clear and gross violation of MSU’s sexual harassment policy, if it’s anything like any other university in the US. 

UP to LA

September 13th, 2023 at 8:12 PM ^

Jacking off on a zoom call is an intensely, viscerally sexual act. Willfully imposing such an act on people without their consent is Bad, and I'm sure it's legally actionable in all sorts of contexts.

Also, Jesus Christ, I legitimately struggle to understand how people think something like this is OK. It's *awful* to impose yourself sexually on a sexual assault survivor, whose whole relationship to you is premised on using her status to advocate against sexual misconduct, and whose income relies to a substantial extent on your patronage and the patronage of your professional network. To even approach gray areas of consent in this kind of situation is both wildly unethical and mind numbingly stupid.

The Oracle 2

September 13th, 2023 at 10:48 PM ^

Raising questions about the accuser isn’t an endorsement of Tucker as a good guy, but I don’t automatically believe anyone I don’t know. I’m also immediately suspicious of anyone who makes their living as a professional victim, which is what she does. If it’s true she deleted relevant texts, i doubt she’s completely innocent here, either. I bet the truth is somewhere in the middle, as it usually is.

Blue@LSU

September 13th, 2023 at 11:12 PM ^

"Professional victim" is a bit harsh isn't it?

Many people use their personal stories, especially tragic aspects, because they are effective at inspiring people, inspiring change, etc. Would you consider Austin Hatch to be a "professional victim"? I certainly wouldn't, and I wouldn't refer to Brenda Tracy that way either. 

The Homie J

September 13th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^

even if everything Mel Tucker said is true, it's terrible judgement and is a fireable offense

I've seen a couple people in various places (except Sparty-land funny enough, because they're just glad to be rid of the idiot and his massive contract) try to argue Mel's side and it just makes me laugh.

Hypothetical here:  If Mel 100% truthful, Brenda is lying and out to get him, this whole scandal was designed to get the university out of a shitty contract, and their entire relationship (including naughty phone calls) were consensual, he's screwed.

Because that means he persued a relationship with a contractor to the university, a former rape survivor and anti-sexual misconduct activist, and engaged in improper behavior while serving as an ambassador for the university.  And that's not even factoring in his idiotic response to the whole thing.  And that's his BEST case scenario lmao 

DelhiWolverine

September 14th, 2023 at 6:48 AM ^

Dude. I hope you don’t apply this TERRIBLE reasoning to other situations where a personal relationship and/or Power dynamic with the aggressor exists, such as a Harvey Weinstein type situation, or domestic violence, or date rape, or sexual abuse. Did you make the same argument about Larry Nassar’s victims? Take a minute and learn from experts about why it’s so difficult to report something like this happening at all, let alone right away. You’ll find out that BT actually reported this fairly quickly. 

NittanyFan

September 13th, 2023 at 9:25 PM ^

If Greg Schiano beat Clay Travis up and permanently paralyzed him, confessed to his guilt on the stand and I was on the jury .......

I'd convict Schiano.  But man would I be tempted not to.

Travis completely got away with that "I don't want Schiano to coach my favorite team, so I will unfairly and without much proof say that he 100% knew about Sandusky at Penn State" stunt back in December 2017.  Awful, horrible, terrible behavior.  Trying to destroy a guy, all in "defense" of some freaking sports team.

DelhiWolverine

September 14th, 2023 at 7:22 AM ^

It’s a fair question, but it’s also irrelevant. 
Is your argument that it’s impossible to do sexually inappropriate things with someone you’re dating/ in to? 
 

Because that’s literally what Brenda Tracy’s foundation addresses every day with Set The Expectation. I.e. it’s very possible to move beyond another person’s boundaries by assuming they are ok with you doing something when they aren’t. 

Koop

September 14th, 2023 at 10:26 AM ^

The circumstance with Mel Tucker and Brenda Tracy is an awful one on many levels. It's also an opportunity for education and awareness. FWIW, I'm a former domestic violence prosecutor, and my ex runs the Special Victims Division for our county.

Without casting aspersions on or making assumptions about anyone on this board: if a person hasn't had the opportunity to learn about sexual violence and its effects--for example, if a person doesn't yet appreciate why a victim of sexual violence would find it difficult to hang up a phone when confronted with a non-consensual sex act, similar to how a veteran can still freeze up at the sounds of fireworks or wake up screaming years after returning from war--I'd encourage that person to seek out and read about the science related to such trauma, for example, here: 

https://bestcare.org/news/understanding-ptsd-sexual-assault-survivors

Sexual violence occurs in every walk of life, in every demographic group, in every religious and cultural background--in fact, at about the same rates of frequency, which are in all cases shockingly high (it's only the rates of reporting that differ based on socioeconomic status). Abuse affects not just women but also men and is particularly under-reported in abuse of the elderly.

The chances are excellent that someone you know is being abused--and that person hasn't yet reached out for help, and may not even know how. Breaking the cycle of violence and abuse begins with being alert to the signs, and being able to listen without judgment.

This is our chance to learn, to grow, and to be part of the solution. As a sexual violence awareness advocate might say, this is our chance to Set the Expectation.

JMK

September 13th, 2023 at 10:40 PM ^

One of my favorite things was when a bunch of U of M fans tanked the star rating for Rosenberg's book "War as They Knew It" on Amazon.  I seem to recall an article saying he was sad about the poor reviews of his book.  It looks like there's been a counteroffensive by his people and the star rating is back up, but it was a great guerilla response in 2009.  I have not read anything by him or the Freep since 2009 and don't plan on doing so anytime soon.

Denard In Space

September 13th, 2023 at 3:14 PM ^

I mentioned this idea before but Worthy's mother seems to confirm that the worst problem was communication ranging from poor to deceitful. Regardless of the admissions standards, communication is absolutely something we could have controlled. Makes you wonder how many edge cases during that time went the same way due to bad communication. Would that have been on Dudek? 

Mr. Elbel

September 13th, 2023 at 3:20 PM ^

This is something we have to be on top of. Everyone in the world knows that our admissions is a dumpster fire, so own it and stay on top of it with great communication all the way through. It seems like in this case and likely in others, we stayed mum hoping it would work out, worried that if we talked too much about it, it would make Worthy go elsewhere. Well, not talking about it made him go elsewhere too. If you talk openly about your faults, then you find people who are the right fit for your program, not just the right amount of stars.

AlbanyBlue

September 13th, 2023 at 10:24 PM ^

I referred to this in the Worthy board thread, so if redundancy bothers you, stop reading now.

Anyway, Seth talked about this in one (or more) of the podcasts. At most universities, the academic department(s) handling credit acceptance for transfers work closely *and early in the process* with recruiting staff to look for and deal with potential issues. Michigan apparently chooses not to do this. That is, the department(s) do not prioritize handling credit transfer matters for athletes. Thus, the Worthy-type situation whereby AD / recruiting staff / coaches found out there were credit-transfer issues very late in the process is all too common at Michigan.

Denard in Space is absolutely correct that this communication procedure is correctable and controllable, but the academic departments don't care to change anything. Full stop.