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Brian April 5th, 2024 at 9:32 AM

The Howard Interview. Juwan Howard sat down with Brendan Quinn for what Quinn says is his first one on one interview in two years. That, in and of itself, is part of the issue. This section is kind of like… well… I mean…?

In the end, Howard says he wishes he’d opened up more. He wishes people knew junior forward Will Tschetter keeps a garden in his backyard, where he and Jenine grow jalapeño, kale, bell peppers, lettuce. He wishes he’d been more open about his feelings on going from one-game shy of the Elite Eight in March 2021 to outcast in March 2022. He wishes he hadn’t been so reticent about his heart surgery. He wishes people knew that, during the interview, former captain Eli Brooks called to check in on him.

He says he wishes he let people get to know him.

One of the issues with hiring a first-time head coach is that sometimes they don't know the shape of the job. They've seen it, they've been around it, but being it for the first time is something different. Especially when you come from a Miami Heat organization where all that stuff is minimized because you have a long-term, secure coach in a well-run organization. Beating the bushes is not a thing that Howard ever had to do.

The other main takeaway from the interview is that Howard should not have coached this year:

Doctors set his recovery time at 6-12 weeks. He spent 15 days in the hospital post-op.

Howard told assistant coach Howard Eisley, a lifelong friend, that he would return in two weeks. He saw doctors’ recommendations as races to win, not timelines to live by. And he suffered for it.

“I thought I was a Marvel hero, but this was real life stuff I was dealing with, and I was extremely naive,” he says. “I was impatient with the process.”

Howard wasn’t fully recovered when he returned to the Michigan bench for a November trip to the Battle 4 Atlantis in the Bahamas, he says. Multiple complications emerged throughout the season. He rarely slept through the night. Doctors advised him to step away and undergo another surgery to address an atrial flutter that sapped his energy and caused severe discomfort. He was scheduled to undergo a 7 a.m. procedure following a Jan. 23 road game at Purdue, but heavy snow grounded Michigan’s return flight. Howard’s surgery was canceled and he declined to reschedule it in-season, against doctors’ recommendations and to Jenine’s displeasure.

The surgery is scheduled for April 19.

There is a timeline where Howard does not get Terrence Shannon and Caleb Love spiked into the earth by admissions (and Shannon, uh, settles down with a nice poli sci major in Ann Arbor); a timeline where he does not have health issues. He likely still has his job, and Michigan might have been really good through year five. That is not this timeline, but it is so close that it hurts. Howard's issues were only half of his own making.

[After THE JUMP: basketball roster stuff, hockey items]

Basketball roster stuff, but smaller. The rumored hire of Akeem Miskdeen went from rumored to reported; he has not been officially announced due to Michigan's longstanding Have You Ever Been A Vacuum Refurbisher extreme background check policy, but it's just a matter of time. He's in.

Will Tschetter is in.

Terrance Williams hit the portal. (Folks: you do not have to acknowledge that everyone is technically also entering a draft they have a 0% chance to get picked in.) I was never as down on Williams as the burn-it-all-down wing of the fanbase was, but… I mean… it's fine. Good luck to him wherever he lands. Here is where I will speculate that this opens up the Eric Dailey slot.

FAU transfer Nick Boyd released a long list that did not have Michigan on it. I'm a little surprised at that; you'd think that if Michigan threw its hat in the ring they'd at least make the long list, and Boyd is a career 37% shooter from deep who had a couple of solid years as an ~average usage 20 MPG player for May. I'm slightly more surprised because the list has Texas and Louisville and a bunch of other high-majors on it. I know I said that it was less clear he was a high-major uptransfer, but I'm just a guy. If a fair swathe of the P5 is after the guy and Michigan isn't, I will register surprise. May aiming higher?

Speaking of Louisville: there was a brief surge of optimism from Card fans about landing Johnell Davis after On3's Pete Nakos posted that "Louisville isn't going down without a fight" as they attempt to fix their broken program by dumping NIL money on one-and-done players. (Did that work the last time?)

One catch: FAU played Charleston this year and it appears that FAU players loathe Pat Kelsey, the former Charleston and current Louisville coach. Owl Brandon Weatherspoon:

Davis liked this tweet.

The issue was due to some dust-ups during the game itself, one of which set off Kelsey. A Louisville fan found the incident; unfortunately he decided that narrating some brain-dead takes over the incident was better than just letting it stand as is:

These things were compounded when Kelsey—supposedly the adult in this situation—took to Twitter some time later to re-hash the whole thing, implying that the issue Weatherspoon had was that he was on the court. All basketball coaches who wander onto the court during play should be dragon-punched out of the arena, so we are team Weatherspoon all the way.

One thing this incident makes clear is that both programs got coaches that fit them.

Anyway: Davis probably isn't going to Louisville. This feels like Nakos getting some dubious intel from the UL side of things, because the worst case scenario for them is message board guys saying stuff like "he was always going to Michigan but this shows we're serious." The tweet escapade rather blew up in his face.

Rising. JJ McCarthy goes fourth in Bruce Feldman's latest mock draft:

“I think too many people are getting caught up trying to look at box scores instead of watching film. He makes a lot of plays for them after the play breaks down. There’s some ‘wow’ stuff in there. He’s on a dead sprint, and he makes some perfect throws. When he has to get out and make a play, he can really do it.”

“We thought he throws a little bit of a flat ball and you wouldn’t see much of him layering it in there. But he’s really dynamic. You wanted to keep him in the pocket but he’d still get out whenever they needed him to, and he’s great throwing on the run. He could get out to his left or his right and get you, but especially going to his right.”

No other Michigan players in the first round.

Praise Tiny Jesus. Seamus Casey will be available for the Frozen Four:

Michigan needs all hands on deck against BC.

I'll believe it when I see it. This has never happened:

Micheletti is a Minnnesota radio guy who is a Gopher legend, for context. My reaction to this is always "I don't believe you," but Michigan has a couple of reasons to hope. One is that the New Jersey Devils have a loaded blueline and aren't projected to need anyone in the league next year; another is that Gavin Brindley won't turn 20 until October and is the kind of undersized forward that NHL teams sometimes leave be.

If, hypothetically, Michigan does get their top line back (or even two of the three) they will be unfathomably loaded at forward next year. The only forward without eligibility next year is Chase Pletzke. They have the top two scorers in the USHL committed—and these are draft-year guys, not overagers. They also have NTDP F Christian Humphreys, who's likely to be a second or third rounder, coming in. They'd have to put off a couple of guys who look likely to be quality college players. 

It's not happening! Why did I even write this?

Speaking of. USHL scorer #2 is Chicago Steel center Michael Hage, who had an unbelievably rough year:

In Hage’s first practice with the Steel a year and a half ago, he blew out his shoulder — which had bothered him throughout the previous summer — and had to undergo surgery.

The surgery cost him his first year of junior hockey in the USHL as a 16-year-old. He left the team briefly that fall to begin his rehab at home with his family, but made the decision to return after Christmas and worked for months to get back before the end of the year.

Last April, then-assistant general manager Noelle Needham said she believed that had he not gotten hurt, he would have been right behind Macklin Celebrini at the top of the 2024 class entering his draft year.

“And he’ll get back there,” she insisted. “He’ll be fine. He’s going to be the real deal. But just given what he has also sacrificed, I mean he could have stayed at home but he (was) in Chicago the whole time skating, conditioning, lifting, watching film, traveling with the team, watching in the stands.”

Eventually, he returned, playing in the Steel’s final 13 games of the season and registering 10 points.

A couple of months later, over that weekend last July, he lost his dad.

Hage's father died in a swimming pool accident; Hage had to go through rehab with a heavy weight. Will be an easy guy to root for.

Etc.: NIL has blown up the shoe company monopoly on paying basketball players. Two WBB commits starred in the McDAA game. Law-talkin' about NCAA NIL lawsuits. OSU player enters NBA draft while retaining "eliginility." Stupid typo… or BRILLIANT TYPO? TV ratings should prevent Greg Sankey from obliterating the tournament. New kickoffs en route? How Davis ended up at FAU.

Comments

jesse.knowsfoo…

April 5th, 2024 at 9:46 AM ^

It seems like the FAU players stuck together because of the brotherhood and not the coach. Which is usually the case. I definitely thought it was premature to assume that players on FAUs final four team didn't enter the transfer portal because of May. 

yossarians tree

April 5th, 2024 at 2:30 PM ^

Great if we can get a couple FAU guys, but if I'm looking at it from their point of view, Michigan does not look like the best option. If I have one year left and have a chance to play for a big time program that has a chance to go deep next year, this is not that place. Michigan can offer starters minutes, for sure, but so can other programs that are in win-mode right now.

Davy Found

April 8th, 2024 at 6:39 AM ^

Personally, I'm not sure how huge a deep NCAA run factors into many players' decision-making. It's obviously fun to win games, and a standout performance in the NCAA can put you on the map, but Michigan offers year-round visibility for a player hoping for a long pro career (especially for levels below the NBA, i.e. Europe, etc.), plus a valuable Michigan degree. I think the starters' minutes is big, too, as well as playing for a coach they know and like, and with a couple former teammates. If the NIL disparity isn't a massive gulf, Michigan would seem appealing for many, I'd think...

bronxblue

April 5th, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^

 All basketball coaches who wander onto the court during play should be dragon-punched out of the arena, so we are team Weatherspoon all the way.

100%.  Also, Kelsey is giving off huge Tom Izzo vibes during that entire exchange, as most college coaches are incredibly thin-skinned and love being little tyrants who can't fathom someone telling them to get off the damn court while play is going on.  I really wish refs would do something about it because it's clear what they're doing is adding a 6th defender of sorts to plays.  

As for Howard, I agree he got screwed both by his actions/decisions as well as things outside his control, and it sucks how it ended.  I do think his reticence to talk to the media/be more open to them also stems from being in the NBA for almost 20 years and that informing a more antagonistic/less trustworthy view of them.  While I'm sure there are fair reporters who cover the NBA, I've also seen enough of them just bury guys unfairly for clicks, or violate confidence for a scoop, that you'd have your guard up about letting them in.  Or you wind up getting someone like Brian Windhorst who will repeat anything certain people say but is such an access merchant that there isn't any substance to discussions beyond that.  Hell, Howard got to see it up-close with guys like LeBron, who are incredibly guarded with the media.  So I get why he'd be reserved about talking to local UM media a bit, and how that lack of access and exposure hurt him.  It's probably another factor why he might not well-suited for coaching at this level, at least without accepting he'd need to glad-hand more than before. 

trueblueintexas

April 5th, 2024 at 2:00 PM ^

Juwan’s reticence to be more of an open public figure is part of who he is. That’s been true all the way back to at least high school.  This is an area where the AD could have done more to help him. If Manuel didn’t understand this, that’s very unfortunate. You can’t ask someone to be something they aren’t. 
All of that said, as much as I love Juwan the person and player, I was incredibly frustrated with how the team played the past couple of years. Not sure what happened with the overall coaching staff, but Michigan has been atrocious at boxing out, valuing possessions, defensive technique, and spacing/positioning. So frustrating because this is all basic stuff.

I hope Juwan lands in a good spot, but I’m also interested to see what the Dusty May era brings. So far, the asst coaching hires have been encouraging.  

matty blue

April 5th, 2024 at 9:58 AM ^

There is a timeline where [...] Michigan might have been really good through year five. That is not this timeline, but it is so close that it hurts. Howard's issues were only half of his own making.

a thousand times this.  there were times this season (and last, but less so) where i wondered what the hell we were doing here, but two really good players (or one, for that matter) would have absolutely gotten him through this season, and possibly even with an arrow pointing up for next year.

it's a real bummer that it didn't work out that way, not only for this year's guys but mostly for juwan. if, if, if. 

he loves this place, still.  that means something.

Naked Bootlegger

April 5th, 2024 at 10:13 AM ^

 And I honestly think that if Howard had just taken a season-long leave of absence, he would likely be coaching next year.    A down year is somewhat easier to digest when your coach is rehabbing from major surgery.   And some of the in-season dysfunction likely doesn't happen.    Maybe this scenario would've just kicked the can down the road for another season, but I think Howard is still the head coach if he would've rested this year.

stephenrjking

April 5th, 2024 at 11:48 AM ^

Probably? Sure. But Howard was also conscious of recruiting and momentum.

Let's face it, people were cranky before he made the Sweet Sixteen in 22. After last year most people didn't want him gone, but a few made noise like they did, and when the blowup with Sanderson happened (which, it must be said, happened before it became clear that the season was a disaster; probably contributed to the collapse, honestly) a lot of people were ready to axe him in no small part because they were frustrated with the win-loss record as much as the contested behavior issues.

We can say, in retrospect, that if he had sat the whole season or most of it, he'd still have the job. But for how long? The team might not have had such a collapse this year, but it probably misses the tournament. That's two in a row. And he still isn't getting great guys into the program. So... where would he be next year? How many recruits and transfers can he get, and can he forge into a team, that are ready to sign up for a coach that would unquestionably be in a win-or-die season that's really more of the same?

Now, maybe he could do something with that. But it's important to understand that his desperation to return is not unfounded. If I were in his position I would feel like I had to coach for my job, and it would be really hard for me to just lay low as the team, inevitably, struggled at times. 

He was caught in a bad place. Hindsight may seem like it's 20-20, but sometimes it's 50-50. 

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 10:16 AM ^

The question *must* still be asked about due diligence... did Howard & staff make any significant attempt to even check with admissions before offering these transfers or just assume "it'll all work out, because we want these guys"?

It's OK if Michigan has different/higher standards as long as people plan for that.  Harbaugh, Hoke & Beilen made it work - that it was an issue for Howard & Rodriguez may speak to a different underlying problems.

42-27

April 5th, 2024 at 11:37 AM ^

Harbaugh, Hoke & Beilen made it work - that it was an issue for Howard & Rodriguez may speak to a different underlying problems.

Xavier Worthy says hello...

Also, comparing Hoke and Beilein to our current basketball coaches just doesn't make sense, considering the transfer portal and NIL era we're in.  Hoke and Beilein did not make the transfer portal or NIL work.

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 11:59 AM ^

Xavier Worthy is a *perfect* example of the staff (mainly Dudek) not doing their job.  From what we know/gleaned from rumor, proper contact and feedback was not provided in this special case of someone trying to get early admission status and (IIRC) trying to load a number of online HS courses late to do it.  This was not the fault of the admissions office.

The discussion has nothing to do with NIL and the transfer portal - the topic was *explicitly* about "admissions", which all of those coaches (and those before them) had to consider while recruiting both HS and college transfer kids.  Some handled it more adeptly than others.

42-27

April 5th, 2024 at 12:52 PM ^

Agreed on Xavier Worthy.  It's a perfect example of Harbaugh not making it work with admissions, despite you saying Harbaugh made it work.  My point was he didn't always make it work.

As for this discussion being explicitly about admissions and not the transfer portal, that's completely wrong.  We are specifically talking about transfer portal players who admissions denied.  To say this conversation has nothing to do with the transfer portal...lol. 

The transfer portal wasn't really a thing during the Hoke and Beilein eras, so praising them as "handling it more adeptly" doesn't make sense.  Juwan didn't have a problem with admissions in recruiting high school kids that I'm aware of.  100% of the problem was with transfer portal kids.

We're in an era where the best basketball teams in the country rely heavily on transfer players that probably wouldn't be accepted into Michigan.  Look at the Final 4 teams.  2 of 5 of UConn's top scorers were undergrad transfers.  All 5 of NCState's top scorers were undergrad transfers. 4 out of 5 for Alabama.  This isn't happening in college football.

Tldr my point: It's dumb to compare Juwan to Hoke/Beilein because they coached in different eras, and it's dumb to compare Juwan to Harbaugh because football and basketball are drastically different recruiting-wise.

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 1:26 PM ^

The "transfer portal" is merely a clearinghouse for student-athletes looking to transfer to connect with athletic programs that have openings - basically a formalized introduction network for ncaa eligibility consideration.  That's it.  It has no bearing on admissions and the admissions office doesn't distinguish if someone comes here with ncaa eligibility intact or not.  From their perspective, all undergraduate college transfer students are subjected to the same process ("grad transfers" are different but still go through a similar process, but with prospective graduate student standards rather than propestive undergrad, which is more college/department driven) - whether or not they found Michigan through the portal is irrelevant.

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 2:17 PM ^

You tried to change the subject into a convolution of transfer portal & NIL... the original comment I made was whether the staff performed due diligence regarding the viability of specific transfer students in regards to the admissions office (within the greater context of whether the admissions office was a problem).

The creation of the transfer portal has increases the frequency of incoming transfer student athletes, but has not changed anything with the fundamental process of how they are admitted.

Also, Harbaugh *did* make the transfer process "work" for him as he brought in numerous transfer players during his tenure, none of whom were rejected (that we know) due to the admissions office when the staff did the necessary legwork (with Xavier Worthy being the notable failure of the staff).

42-27

April 5th, 2024 at 2:47 PM ^

ONCE AGAIN, my point is that it's dumb to compare Juwan to Hoke/Beilein because they coached in different eras, and it's dumb to compare Juwan to Harbaugh because football and basketball are drastically different recruiting-wise.

Harbaugh made the transfer process work because you don't need to take undergrad transfers to be successful in football.  This is not true in college basketball.  To be successful in the modern game, you either need a Zach Edey on your team, or you need to build your team with transfers.  Michigan's admissions makes that nearly impossible.

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 3:56 PM ^

The comparison of those coaches is not about how they coached or how they used transfers, but simply how they targeted (w.r.t. admissions viability) the transfers that they did choose (regardless of if is was only one or several dozen). 

Beilein said it best not long ago that it's all about "fit" at Michigan -targetting the guts that are best for playing *here*, not simply the best players available.  And he proved it with Duncan Robinson, an undergrad transfer from a D-III school who had to sit a year out to play here, as the most obvious example.

Hoke also accepted transfers, with Ty Isaac being just one obvious example of an undergrad transfer he brought in (although he had to sit out the last year of Hoke's time due to ncaa transfer rules, Hoke still was the one who targeted him).

All of these coaches (including their predecessors) dealt with the same fundamental issues when bringing in transfers.

The "new reality" of the portal/NIL/etc. only changes the scale of how often they have to deal with it.

42-27

April 5th, 2024 at 8:20 PM ^

The "new reality" of the portal/NIL/etc. only changes the scale of how often they have to deal with it.

Yes, and the difference of said scale is enormous.  It's comparing a sand dune to Mt Everest.  Beilein and Hoke both got 1 notable transfer in their 16 combined years of being at Michigan.  Meanwhile the top teams in college basketball are getting 3-4 transfers every year.

Incredibly stupid to compare the two eras, but you seem to love doing it.  Delusional.

 

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 11:12 PM ^

You are 1) ignoring a number of other undergraduate transfers that came in during those times and 2) again staying from the fact that *for the purposes of discussing the impact of "admissions"* it doesn't matter how many there are or if they are "notable" players or bench warmers.

The process is the process, and coaches who recruit transfer prospects with an eye towards getting guys more likely to pass that process are going to fare better, pure & simple.

crg

April 6th, 2024 at 8:29 AM ^

Excellent point (and one I forgot to mention this time around).

"Admissions" is simply getting the students in the door, but what transfer credits are allowed to count towards a certain degree program is the discretion of specific departments/colleges - which prefer to have students take *their* classes (and bring in more money to *their* faculty & departments as a result).  Transfer credits often just become extra elective/general credits during this process, setting the transfer students back in terms of their academic progress (and sometimes dissuading them from coming here).  There *are* legitimate concerns about the standards of the courses allowed to transfer, but also practical (and pride) considerations (a person may not have truly earned a "Michigan degree" if they performed 80%+ of their coursework at a lesser institution and just did their last semester here, for example... not necessarily fair to the other students here who started from beginning to end with more rigorous courses).

4roses

April 5th, 2024 at 11:44 AM ^

I agree that Howard did need to figure out how to "make it work", and that is ultimately what cost him, but it isn't really fair to use Beilein as a comparison point. Beilen coached well before the portal and NIL so never had to deal with the transfer situation that existed for Howard. 

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 12:46 PM ^

Do we *know* that all parties (not just Howard, who would only be partially involved in that part of the process anyway) actually did?  FERPA means that *we* will never "know" the full details anyway, but how can we be certain someone in the chain didn't make a mistake?

That's what appears to have happened with Xavier Worthy (likely Dudek, but possibly others as well).

goblu330

April 5th, 2024 at 10:18 AM ^

Even in this timeline Michigan was oh so close to possibly being good, it just could not get over the hump.  They blew out St. Johns and already notched a road BIG road win in December.  They should have beat Memphis at Atlantis.  Oregon and Florida were both OT losses could have taken the season in an entirely different direction.  Florida was the crusher.  The team quit after that game.

JMK

April 5th, 2024 at 10:27 AM ^

It has been my wish that people not dump on Juwan.  This interview makes me wish this even harder.  It didn't work out, he made some regrettable mistakes along the way, his being let go probably made the most sense for both sides, but there is no need to say mean things about him or to have ill will toward him.  I actually believe in the "Michigan Man" idea, and, as he himself says in the interview, he is a Michigan Man, through and through.

crg

April 5th, 2024 at 12:09 PM ^

Howard probably would have been a great coach here if he had "cut his teeth" as a college HC elsewhere first (a mid major or even lower).  Bringing in a first-time head man (or woman) into a high profile job like Michigan is always a gamble... and may look like a homerun early only to turn into an easy pop-fly.

This is my concern about Brandon Naruto and Sherrone Moore.  Looking like great hires so far, but still in the honeymoon phase.

Gulogulo37

April 5th, 2024 at 4:06 PM ^

I think Juwan would ultimately be better off in the NBA. He's a player's coach and in the NBA he can worry a lot more about basketball and relationships with players as opposed to relationships with donors. From what we read about coaching in the NFL or NBA versus college, there's not a chance in hell I'd wanna go the college route if I was a coach.

4th phase

April 5th, 2024 at 3:06 PM ^

Terrance Shannon had a 124.8 otrg on 27.9% usage. Caleb Love had 112.8 otrg on 25.1% usage. Bufkin and Howard were 111 otrg on 21.7% usage. There is a huge difference in the on court performance of those two pairings, regardless of draft position. 

Looking at Torvik's PRPG! metric shows the contrast in impact they had, 4.1 and 6.6 vs 3.6 and 3.4.  Aside from Edey, Shannon is the best player in the big 10, and Caleb Love won Pac12 player of the year.