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Brian December 14th, 2023 at 5:15 PM

 

HR is involved. After the Iowa game news broke that… uh… something happened between Juwan Howard and Jon Sanderson that led to Sanderson not making the trip to Iowa City. Brendan Quinn has the details, such as they are at this point:

An alleged confrontation between Michigan head basketball coach Juwan Howard and longtime Michigan strength and conditioning coach Jon Sanderson is being probed by University of Michigan human resources, leaving the program in a state of flux.

According to three team and university sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they’re not authorized to speak publicly on internal university personnel issues, Sanderson filed an HR claim following a heated dispute with Howard on Dec. 7. …

The confrontation between Howard and Sanderson stemmed from a disagreement between an athletic trainer and senior guard Jace Howard, Juwan’s 22-year-old son. Jace Howard has not played this season with a stress fracture in his right knee and tibia, and questioned why he’s yet to be cleared to play.

Sanderson became involved in that dispute, and he and Juwan Howard exchanged words. According to a combination of witnesses and individuals briefed on the matter, no punches were thrown, but things became heated to the point where the two were separated.

If Sanderson elevated this to an HR matter with a report that has some chance of ending Juwan Howard's coaching tenure at Michigan—after the Wisconsin incident a couple years ago he is on a "zero tolerance" policy—I find it hard to believe that Sanderson would be willing to continue at Michigan in the event Howard does stay on.

And at that point you have to wonder if this is going to work out here. Sanderson has not had any public conflicts before and was widely beloved by all of Beilein's players, to the point where people expect second-year players to have a massive jump from "Camp Sanderson" in the offseason. For this to blow up like it did is a very bad sign.

At some point this becomes a pattern, and after the Wisconsin incident, the incident with Mark Turgeon, another incident where he came very close to an ejection against UNC, and now this… I think it's a pattern. Many basketball coaches are little balls of fury, but Fran McCaffrey didn't put his hands on someone and hasn't had an HR report filed on him. This is another level.

The other very bad sign is that this edition of the basketball team is #123 in defensive efficiency. They imported a starter from Tennessee and a 20 MPG sixth man from Alabama, two top-five defensive teams a year ago. They lost the worst defender in the history of college basketball. They hypothetically upgraded from Hunter Dickinson, a paint-bound player who forces you to run drop coverage, to the very switchable Tarris Reed, and they've plunged 75 spots in defensive efficiency.

If the strength coach is leaving and the defense looks virtually uncoached and you're headed for another blah season in the worst Big Ten in a minute, what's the case that this is going to turn around?

I'd say that Howard is probably done, but Warde Manuel has shown a disinclination to, you know, do things. So maybe he sticks it out and things turn around next year when just about everyone can come back and they're adding some nice recruiting pieces. It's just hard to see that outcome in the hazy distance right now.

Portal updates. I'm not going to go over every fringe possibility just to sate the Walter Nolen-heads, but brief updates on the guys Michigan appears to be pursuing:

  • Penn DT Joey Slackman canceled his visit and Josh Henschke says that he's unlikely to reschedule. With Thor Griffith off the board to Louisville, there's no obvious target if Michigan wants to import a fourth playable DT.
  • Indiana WR Donaven McCulley seems to be taking things relatively slowly. The most recent update on him is just a list of 18 offers and I haven't seen that he's scheduled any visits yet. Chatter immediately after Michigan offered was very positive from the likes of Wiltfong; nothing has really happened since. Kentucky and Penn State paysites are talking about him quite a bit, FWIW. He is coming off a visit to UK, but the Wildcats already have two portal WRs committed.
  • WKU CB Upton Stout has fielded two national crystal balls to Michigan along with 24/7's Steve Lorenz and seems like the most likely addition of anyone. Stout visited last weekend; USC is the main competition.
  • Maryland LB Jaishawn Barham has also fielded a crystal ball to M from Lorenz. Barham went to St Frances and has a lot of familiarity with various players on Michigan's roster. Lorenz recently upped his confidence level in his CB, FWIW.
  • UCLA QB Dante Moore looks like an Oregon/Michigan battle.

Various other distant possibilities went off the board—IU OL Carter Smith decided to withdraw from the portal, Purdue WR Deion Burks committed to Oklahoma, etc. Michigan does appear to be kicking the tires on A&M OL Chase Bisontis. If that doesn't work out that is an indication that Michigan will be looking for an OL.

The other portal update. OSU lost starting quarterback Kyle McCord to the portal and it appears this was genuinely a surprise to OSU because they have not pulled the ND here. Notre Dame started picking up predictions for Duke QB Riley Leonard literally minutes after he hit the portal because they'd clearly already gotten a commitment from him. Nothing like that has transpired with OSU, and with QBs going off the board rapidly the only established P5 starters available are Cam Ward, DJ Uiagalelei, and Will Howard.

Ward seems to be down to a couple of Florida schools; Howard also visited Miami. OSU hasn't been mentioned for any of the three. At this point it wouldn't be a surprise if OSU ends up rolling with their current three guys, possibly with the addition of a speculative up-transfer.

Meanwhile, Pennlive publishes an article about McCord's departure that makes it sound like there are two ways to be an Ohio Stat quarterback: be a Heisman finalist or be despised:

“I really felt bad for him how he was treated after those games, and I don’t think it was fair,” Sawyer said “I think I understand that, at Ohio State, the quarterback’s expected to win games. I don’t think at all it’s his fault that we lost that game at Ann Arbor." …

“He went through a lot, and I feel for the guy,” Brown said. “There was a lot of tough moments. And he grew throughout his career here and built as a leader and built as a player. Being able to sit behind him and watch him grow really helped me look back and kind of think about the things I should work on and grow from.”

You hate to see it.

Kalel Mullings gets his hair cut. Also talks to people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWQt3MGl8o

A beautiful mind. Interesting takes from NFL people on JJ McCarthy:

“The thing I liked, he knew there were a ton of scouts there and he threw it eight times,” he said. “Yet after the game, J.J. was celebrating. He didn’t give a (hoot). You saw him running all over. Tells me loud and clear he is a team guy.”

Rewind to mid-September and a 31-6 win over Bowling Green. McCarthy was 8 of 13 passing for 143 yards with a career-high three interceptions and said afterward he forced too many throws.

“He’s definitely athletic enough in the pocket,” said a national scout with Michigan in his territory. “He’s got all the necessary arm talent. He’s accurate enough. I like his confidence. There’s that fine line of taking risks and not being stupid, and usually he’s at that line. For whatever reason, there’s been a few games this year he’s been crossing that line.

“He’s a legit first-round contender based on what I’ve seen. I’m optimistic about what he can be. I don’t have a strong conviction at this point.”

Draft takes are all over the board at this point. Matt Miller just released a mock draft on ESPN where he goes 7th. Dane Brugler has him 22nd. The other side of the coin:CBS's latest does not have him in the first round and neither does PFF.

Back to the era of co-champs. One reason Michigan had a long Big Ten title drought before going back-to-back-to-back the last three years is that the addition of the conference title game meant that only one team got to say they were champ, instead of one to three. There was some point back in the mists of time that Michigan was 9-3 and Big Ten co-champs. Nobody seemed to mind that much but for some reason this struck me as utterly insane:

But in an expanded playoff era, a question looms for some of the sport’s most influential leaders: Are conference championship games necessary?

“I do think that people are going to have to look at that,” said Mike Aresco, commissioner of the American Athletic Conference.

“We are in a period of change and assessment,” ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said. “Conference championships should be assessed. Is it necessary to play a 13th game?”

On the one hand, this feels completely crazy. You're going to play 9 games in an 18-team conference and then just declare whoever ends up with the most wins the winner, no matter how many of them there are. On the other hand, this divisionless format is going to end up in tears, probably very quickly, when there are three or four or five teams with the same record and no real way to untie the knot.

(The only viable way to have an 18-team football league with an actual championship is to have divisions. They don't have to be fixed. You can flip them around annually so that teams get a good mix of opponents, play everyone in your division + one bonus game in the other division, and then have a title game. This will not happen.)

The other thing arguing in favor of conference championship games is that broadcasters pay money to broadcast them. I cannot remember a single action taken by the college football powers that be that deliberately took money off the table. The other other thing arguing in favor of a championship game is that the playoff is structured so that the top four conference champions get byes. It's one thing to determine who gets in a championship game with a series of convoluted tiebreakers; it's another to let someone skip a playoff game based on a series of convoluted tiebreakers.

Etc.: Zak Zinter is a consensus All-American. How Michigan built its defense. The portal calendar makes no sense.

Comments

Denard In Space

December 14th, 2023 at 9:23 PM ^

If the strength coach is leaving and the defense looks virtually uncoached and you're headed for another blah season in the worst Big Ten in a minute, what's the case that this is going to turn around?

The case is that the head coach has not been able to coach the team normally because of heart surgery. It is not fair in my opinion to tack this onto the otherwise fair concerns about Juwan's demeanor. 

Denard In Space

December 14th, 2023 at 10:08 PM ^

Brian said this morning on WTKA that the defense has dropped 75 spots this year. I think even with awful defenders like his son and Hunter last year, as head coach Juwan has put together much better defenses than this one. He hasn't been able to do that this year is all I'm saying. I don't agree though that a bad year last year overall equates to Juwan's entire tenure. 

username03

December 14th, 2023 at 9:28 PM ^

“For whatever reason, there’s been a few games this year he’s been crossing that line.”

This might be crazy but hear me out, maybe it’s because he has so few opportunities to make plays?

ca_prophet

December 14th, 2023 at 9:58 PM ^

Various complicated scheduling scenarios have been proposed by Brian and Seth in the past.  Given the current B1G leadership, I think nothing will be done until, say, Oregon or Washington whine about being left out with the same record as USC or OSU because of tiebreakers.  At which point they will form a committee to study the issue and come up with some variant on (good teams play each other 3 times and everyone else 6 times), then a four-team mini-playoff.  This provides a mix of marquee matchups for the Almighty Dollar, and a tough-but-not-impossible schedule for the winner to get a good playoff seed.

For Michigan, it will work out to OSU every year, and two of USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, PSU and Nebraska(? maybe Iowa or Wisconsin?) every year, alternating home field.

And the more I think about it, the more I think that could be workable.  Fans get a good schedule, any team emerging from the gauntlet will have a suitable mountain of skulls, and it should be possible to avoid rematches most years.

AC1997

December 14th, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^

How about we revisit Seth's idea to do a showcase on the championship weekend and give Fox two more games to broadcast.  Pick the three "best" games that will help you sort out the champion, preferably from teams who haven't played each other.  If after that there is still a tie - so be it.  

ST3

December 14th, 2023 at 10:09 PM ^

I think you can make a stronger case for moving on from Juwan Howard by NOT including a tweet from Illinois fan, Michigan hater, and gigantic douchebag Dariush Takhtehchian, M.D. 

kscurrie2

December 14th, 2023 at 11:08 PM ^

Wait.. hear me out.  Maybe the culture is bad because Juwan has not been able to coach.  JH thought Sanderson was taking a shot at the other coaches and Juwan was defending his staff.

That is a likely scenario as well.  It bothers me that the assumption Sanderson did nothing wrong here.  If you walked into your bosses office and told him/her that the culture is fu…, most of us would be unemployed.  Especially if you said it to your bosses kid.

SagNasty

December 15th, 2023 at 7:11 AM ^

Posted this in the other thread but I think it’s relevant to this comment. 
 

I just don’t get the overwhelming support for Sanderson. I understand he has helped players with conditioning, but what else does he contribute? It’s weird too me that people value a strength and conditioning coach over a head coach, after listening to Sam Webb this morning, I agree with him. If Sanderson was insubordinate in front of the team, he should be fired. It’s Juwan’s program and he cannot have S&C coaches undermining him. 

RibbleMcDibble

December 15th, 2023 at 7:28 AM ^

Longevity probably plays a role. If Sanderson were some guy who had been at Michigan for 2 years, then yeah, he's probably gone right now. 

Since he's been here 15 years and during those 15 years Michigan has enjoyed immense success, it's a little different. He's seen what goes into a winning college program. This is likely why people are siding with him as well as why it isn't just an open/shut case of firing an employee for insubordination. 

I should say that I don't even necessarily disagree with you. 

gbdub

December 15th, 2023 at 8:17 AM ^

Sanderson has been a rock of the program for 15 years across of both Beilein and Howard, and as far as we know he’s never done anything like this. He clearly knows how to be a professional.  

 Now, maybe he was in the wrong in this situation. But the fact that a) he’d, after 15 years, be seriously insubordinate to the point Juwan was justified getting into his face and b) that he would think his only recourse is to go to HR speaks to a major culture problem and rift in the program.

Avery Queen

December 14th, 2023 at 11:38 PM ^

Dylan Burkhart pointed out on UMHoops.com that Juwan hasn't spoken to the media at all since he did a press conference after the loss to Vanderbilt in the NIT (270 days).  That's crazy to me....

RibbleMcDibble

December 15th, 2023 at 7:29 AM ^

I think Howard and Sanderson should be given an opportunity to hash it out. I also wouldn't mind a plan in place that gives Howard this year and next year to right the ship. 

 

schreibee

December 15th, 2023 at 11:26 AM ^

Why "this year and next year"?!

If this HR complaint is deemed to have grounds in the "zero tolerance" workplace Juwan has agreed to, why even allow him to finish this year, much less commt to another?!

I think every argument pro & con is weighing whether or not Juwan's coaching track record would merit ignoring the outbursts (a la Bobby Knight) because he's running an NC winning-level program. 

I'm firmly in the "not" camp...

Rufus X

December 15th, 2023 at 7:59 AM ^

On the floor - Michigan basketball is not good and trending steeply downward in the wrong direction the past 2.5 seasons. Objectively (Poor performance, inexplicable transfers out of the program, no postseason success) and subjectively (ugly heroball basketball and crappy body language)

Off the floor - Howard has been a disaster (I was lonely in my opinion to fire him immediately after the first slap)

But hey -  he can recruit! (or at least he used to be able to).  And he was a great player in the 90s.

The choice is obvious. 

unWavering

December 15th, 2023 at 8:26 AM ^

I was lonely in my opinion to fire him immediately after the first slap

There are dozens of us!

Maybe it's because I have no real deep connection to Michigan basketball, and therefore don't really care about Juwan's history as a player at the university, but that sort of conduct should result in immediate firing.  There are no excuses for it. 

ruthmahner

December 15th, 2023 at 8:31 AM ^

I wish I could think that Howard was doing this to make everyone stop talking about signs.  I guess that's the silver lining, if there is one.  But I think he's just out of control.

patrickdolan

December 15th, 2023 at 9:12 AM ^

Re: conference championships

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Big Ten Championship game may consist of two teams that played each other during the regular season, right?

So, it's conceivable that that the National Championship final game could consist of a Big Ten team losing to another Big Ten team that it had already beaten twice, possibly once on the road? Ugh.

See the UM/Indiana national championship basketball game in 1976, except we look at football very differently.

I like the proposal that's been floated here where the last week of the Big Ten season consist of matchups between two teams that haven't played each other and are close matchups. In a world with a 12 team playoff, that seems like ... well ... fun. And I suppose it could be useful for teams on the margins of playoff and bowl eligibility.

Yinka Double Dare

December 15th, 2023 at 9:28 AM ^

Unless Warde is using the Mark Dantonio definition of zero tolerance, a confrontation that was bad enough that a HR complaint was filed seems like it'll be it regardless of what's happening on the court (and I think it's hard to blame or credit him too much this year on that, he was away from the team for basically all the preseason, and his defenses are indeed usually much better than this so the logical conclusion is he's important for coaching that on his staff)

Rufus X

December 15th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^

I agree with the tone of this, but its a bad precedent that all someone needs to do is FILE an HR complaint and people under a zero-tolerance policy get terminated. There has to be some investigation and due process to determine the validity of the complaint firsts.  But of course if it IS verified then he has to be fired, or the "zero policy" phrase itself is garbage.

 

Yinka Double Dare

December 15th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^

Yeah, my assumption is there's an investigation (which sounds like it's ongoing/already happening) and something indeed happened. Just the fact that one was filed doesn't mean for sure something bad happened, but it's not like this is someone who has a track record of filing BS complaints or something where you could say they're super sensitive or something. 

Shop Smart Sho…

December 15th, 2023 at 9:33 AM ^

Another way to look at the basketball defense is that last year Howard was able to put together a better defense with the worst defender in history and Hunter Dickinson; while this year Martelli has failed to build a better defense without those 2 and a whole host of reinforcements.

njvictor

December 15th, 2023 at 9:52 AM ^

 Nothing like that has transpired with OSU, and with QBs going off the board rapidly the only established P5 starters available are Cam Ward, DJ Uiagalelei, and Will Howard.

It's been so funny watching OSU fan's reaction to their QB situation:

  • Blaming the Michigan loss on McCord and praising him entering the portal
  • Expecting Cam Ward to be their QB after tampered
  • Ward eliminates OSU from his list
  • Briefly thinking they'll get Riley Leonard
  • Convincing themselves that Devin Brown was actually always better than McCord
  • Jumping on wanting Maalik Murphy

dragonchild

December 15th, 2023 at 10:32 AM ^

I want McCord in a Michigan uniform.  It's not even to troll OSU.

He's running from a corporate environment and toxic fanbase.  JJ might be gone next season, so we might need a game-ready QB, and Michigan has built a culture of love and family.

If he helps us beat OSU, great, but you know what the difference is, Kyle?  We won't run you out of town if you don't.

bluesong

December 15th, 2023 at 10:12 AM ^

Why not just play 8 games and do a 4 team BIG playoff, while the other teams pair off based on the next highest seeds (5v6, 7v8, etc)? The TV guys would love it

gbdub

December 15th, 2023 at 11:14 AM ^

Sam Webb seems to want to take the “Sanderson was insubordinate and had it coming” position.

But, if as rumored, the argument was over something related to rehab, which is Sanderson’s area of responsibility, I think that might flip things: at that point Juwan shouldn’t be publicly undermining the authority of his own subordinate. 

schreibee

December 15th, 2023 at 12:23 PM ^

The "insubordination" is commenting negatively on program culture in front of others. What others were there aside from Juwan's son & training staff we don't know. 

But after watching the effort Jett put out, I'm completely willing to believe that having Juwan's kids on the team has created a culture program.

Back when Juwan looked like a wildly successful coach, with nba teams theoretically sniffing around him like they supposedly do Harbaugh, we surmised that he'd stick around as long as his sons did.

Welp...🤷‍♂️

JV 97

December 18th, 2023 at 12:47 PM ^

Of all the fab five, I thought that Howard would be the last one to be involved in multiple controversies, yet here we are. Can we please do better? Is it too much to ask to have multiple sports programs do well at the same time? What are we trying to protect? A top tier university with more money than they could ever spend can get coaches. Please do that. Thanks.