Spring Football Bits Offense: Sunshine and Roses Comment Count

Seth

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[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Scheduling note: Splitting these up because we got a lot from this weekend. Here’s the offense.

Why so Positive?

I hate to write to the worst of my mentions but the biggest complaint I’ve gotten from doing these write-ups is they’re too positive. There is a very good reason for this: That is what the people with access want to share. Most of the information available to the public comes from the coaches and players made available to the press. That’s supplemented by SOURCES: former players, current players, family members, big donors, local coaches, or those hearing second-hand from them. They are partisans or ambassadors, and have all been told how to talk to the media.

Once in awhile some of this is negative, but the first rule of sourcing is don’t repeat something unless you can verify it, either by getting the same information independently or because you trust where it’s coming from entirely. Positive stuff gets repeated; negative things are usually coming from just one guy. Balancing coverage is impossible, for one, and two, a fallacious exercise.

The best I can do is present the information we have and frame it in context of spring hype. If you take biased information at face value you’re a fool; if you run from bias because it’s not what you want to hear you’re a coward. All agreed? Good. Let’s see where the smoke is blowing.

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Offense in General

What we want to hear: Just be honest, okay?

What we’re hearing: From umbig11: 

“The ‘SWAG’ is back on the offense! We have playmakers and we have studs on the OL. Shea is playing at a level not seen in A2 for several years!”

Michael Spath talked to a couple players ($) about the how the team looks this year, and got stuff like this:

"I'd put Shea up against any quarterback in the Big Ten, I think Tarik is going to be the best receiver and Ruiz ... man, he's got everything. I'd be shocked if he's not an All-American."

In an interview with Josh Henscke, Carlo Kemp said the offensive line is tough to play against:

"They're really good at every position," Kemp said. "It's a battle every time, especially inside. You've got to be ready to take on double-teams, people coming this way and that way, it's a lot faster game. The o-line is looking really good all across the board. We've all gotten stronger, we've all matured from last season and two seasons ago just with experience playing from the same position. It's been a good fight, o-line and d-line this fall."

What it means:  So that’s where the smoke is blowing. Right up in there.

[after THE JUMP: what you want to hear.]

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Quarterback 

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I see you, Patterson, but it’s still my back you see. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Just be honest, okay?

What we’re hearing: The depth chart is sorting itself out with Shea locking up the top job and Peters finally creating separation from McCaffrey. Sam Webb posted a breakdown of what people are seeing from Shea ($) on the field the last few weeks: despite not having the full playbook down yet, Patterson is taking command of what he knows, making the right checks. However he notes—and I heard this too—that he doesn’t know the whole playbook yet, and is running wit the two versus the twos.

Peters is taking most of the first string snaps. His spring started slow but something clicked last week, and the parents who watched practice on Saturday saw it. Borton posted an ITF ($) that drew largely from the same thing I got sent, and it makes much better sense of the QB situation:

Michigan's quarterback situation may be better than advertised, especially if junior transfer Shea Patterson is eligible. Much has been said about that, obviously, but there's more to say. He's begun looking very comfortable over the past couple of weeks, but he's not The Lone Ranger in the effectiveness department. In the views of some, redshirt sophomore Brandon Peters took big steps in the second part of spring ball, following a slow start. Meanwhile, redshirt freshman Dylan McCaffrey represents, in some people's minds, the most consistent performer the Wolverines have put behind center this spring.

Joe Milton is headed for a redshirt though he’s made some ridiculous plays; the early returns on him is he’s a special talent (listen to Sam Webb’s spring bits at about 15:00) and special personality.

What it means: Here I go speculating: Peters was assuredly the most affected by Michigan bringing in the top quarterback of his year as a transfer to play immediately. We’re also only a few months removed from “The Brandon Peters era has begun.” As soon as his Outback Bowl performance broke bad you knew it would be a rough offseason for him on the message boards, and lo it has come to pass. The same crap went on with the similarly quiet Henne: when he’s doing well he’s cool, and when he’s not people can watch the Amazon special and come away thinking he’s too diffident to play quarterback.

Pull back from the echo chamber and you get a more reasonable picture. His performance last year was very freshman: good and occasionally tantalizing with the apron strings on, a mess when asked to carry an offense that can’t protect his face. I have no problem believing McCaffrey—again the scout team player of the year—is viable, but neither do I think him pulling even with Peters was all about McCaffrey. The coaches weren’t going to make it easy on Brandon, and you wouldn’t want them to. He’s handling it pretty okay, and if whatever people were seeing this weekend carries over into fall he’s got a real shot at starting.

For kicks I plotted Shea and Brandon last year versus some other 2nd year pro-ish QBs (plus Tate as a true freshman) whom you might remember.

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(“SA” means sack-adjusted)

Patterson is an eventful dude. Peters was a standard freshman. McCaffrey this year would probably be the same. Joe Milton by 2021 could be greater than all of them.

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Running Back

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you’re the man now dog. [Barron]

What we want to hear: Just be honest, okay?

What we’re hearing: Karan Higdon is having a huge spring. He’s one of those alphas and the third guy, along with Ruiz and Bredeson, they think will be an all-conference player on offense. Evans is still #2 and a change of pace back, and involved enough to almost be a second starter. Spring ends with the #3 spot still up in the air, though O’Maury Samuels made a move and tentatively holds a lead over the field. Kareem Walker changed his number to 46.

What it means: Again nothing from spring is going to tell us more than watching them play. I can’t find the article now but I think someone interviewed Walker about his number change over the winter and that this was part of a mentality change he had to go through. Stargazers keep asking about him; insiders say he’s on a good track and stop asking about him. The lack of scouting makes me wonder if he’s dinged up.

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Wide Receivers

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I want to paint it black [Chris Cook]

What we want to hear: There’s a reason freshman receivers suck, or at least that ours kinda did.

What we’re hearing: Last year sucked (Zach Shaw). The numbers confirm: receivers caught just barely half of their targets last year.

More confirmation that the leaders are Black, DPJ and Collins at WR and Martin in the slot, with Black and DPJ emerging into stars. Black is 100% back, Sam’s source noted a 50-50 ball to Tarik is more like a 75-25, and JT Rogan’s podcast said Black looks as good as any receiver they faced last year. Zordich brought up the sophomore leaps in his presser last Friday, with the addition of Schoenle.

Jim said yesterday that the receivers have really taken a big step. From your vantage point—

“Yes, yes, absolutely. Donovan, Tarik, Nate, all of them have taken a step forward. Again, I think it’s just the youth factor and having that year under their belt, their freshman year out of the way. They’ve been through camps, they’re in their second spring, so they’re very comfortable. Everything’s slowed down for them as well, and you’re just reacting. you’re playing, you’re instinctive, and you can see their improvement.”

Tarik hasn’t missed a beat?

“No, nuh-uh, he hasn’t. Donovan Peoples-Jones…he’s going to be something special.”

How is he better? How’s Donovan better?

“He’s running really good routes, he’s very strong at the line of scrimmage, and he makes great catches. I mean, he’s just got super hands. Very talented guy.”

One guy told me they really feed on each other, and that Black being out there and competing again really brings out the best in Peoples-Jones.

The other big thing they’re talking about is defeating press coverage. “Very strong at the line of scrimmage” is a thing I didn’t realize I very much wanted to hear, after handsy jammy teams shut down Michigan’s receivers last year. Adam is still writing up the McElwain presser from last night but the same theme emerged right away:

“For us, one of the focus areas has been ability to, number one, get open, especially against all the press coverage that you see. They’ve really worked on honing their skills and trying to do what we’re trying to teach them to do, and yet we’ve got a long ways to go, but at the same time it’s really a fun group of guys and it’s great to be around them.”

Sam Webb posted an interview with Roy Roundtree on 247’s The Victors Club ($) that also addressed this:

…it sounds like they've come a long way in getting off the jam.

"Their weakness was that," Roundtree said. "That’s something that we’ve been really emphasizing in spring ball. All the other (stuff) is second nature to those guys because they can run and they can catch, but how can you do any of that if you’re not open."

If you’re a member click through for a lot more about what’s different with the sophomores this year in both approach and demeanor.

What it means: Crawford (whose number is now 41 on the official roster this morning) and McDoom are getting passed on the depth chart and I’m fine with this development.

The other thing that stands out is they’re talking more about throwing it up where the receivers can make a play. I think they underutilized this with Darboh (and he missed some at the worst times) and haven’t had another guy who can win those consistently since Junior Hemingway. Even before you get to the tight ends this roster is full of them.

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Tight End

What we want to hear: Just be honest, okay?

What we’re hearing: McKeon, followed by Gentry, but both are going to be on the field so that’s a 1A, 1B thing. People saying Gentry is a receiver are seeing him flexed out a la Tyler Eifert. Eubanks is going to be a factor (Lorenz), has added a lot of weight.

What it means: Like the running backs you’ve seen so much already spring hype doesn’t move the needle. I like that they’re creating tougher matchups, and I’m guessing based on some of the plays described, that they’re doing some of the option route things they used to effectiveness with Jake Butt.

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Offensive Line

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I just can’t quit you. [Paul Sherman]

What we want to hear: Just be honest, okay?

What we’re hearing: Hudson has made a move, drawing even with JBB, and Jon Runyan is playing so well at right tackle that the loser on the other side might go to the bench. The insiders all think Filiaga is ready to play, and half include Stueber.

Josh Newkirk and Sam Webb posted a video after talking with JBB, who’s got an air of confidence that wasn’t there before. The big thing from that is Harbaugh and co. were debating whether to burn James Hudson’s redshirt last year.

Everyone loves Ruiz, and Bredeson gets mentioned with him sometimes. Nothing new about the Spanellis-Onwenu battle for right guard, except Spanellis is learning center so they’re not without one if Ruiz goes down. He was an effective sixth OL last year so having him plus the three big guys inside is a plausibly effective interior.

Zach Shaw talked with Ruiz, who said the big difference this year is juice:

“I think we have a lot more energy this year in practice,” Ruiz said. “We’ve got a lot of things rolling this year, and I just feel like guys have a lot more energy. I feel like guys are really pumped up and ready to go more.”

What it means: Note that we got no such nice words about any of these guys this time last year. Hudson pushing out JBB is the ideal development. Energy is nice but also very spring fluff.

The line at the end of spring from there goes Bredeson-Ruiz-Onwenu-Runyan and if Hudson wins the left tackle job I think that’s a line we can roll with, but protection will still be an issue. I feel confident in projecting Onwenu the starter at RG even if that’s only coming from one source, because it makes sense if they’re even that you take the guy with more upside and save the guy with more versatility as your sixth man.

I don’t feel as confident in the assertions that they have 8 guys “ready to play.” I think they’ve got two B+/A- guys in Bredeson and Ruiz, one C+/B- guy in Onwenu, and are trying to get up to a passing grade at the tackle spots. I’d take two C-plusses right now.

Comments

Kevin13

April 17th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^

Patterson could be a difference maker at QB for us this year and really help to open up our offense as defensives will have to respect the pass this year, which will help the run.  I think Peters can also make a huge step this year and be much improved if he plays and don't count out McCaffery. I got to see him play a fair amount in college and he has star written all over him. I expect our QB play to take a huge step forward this year.

RB - not worried about this position. We have plenty of depth and talent to be very good here.

WR - Much improvement as our weapons have gone from being Freshman to Sophomores, which is usually the biggest jump in improvement you will see. They have the talent and were just raw last year. Decent depth here also.

TE - Plenty of talent and depth here to cause matchup problems with most LB's and safeties trying to cover them.

OL - Still a bit of a mystery and that will be the difference from a good Offense to a great offense.  Feel the interior with Bredeson, Ruiz, Onwenu though is very solid and competent, honestly don't know if many teams will field a better interior. Now if we can find two very good tackles. I think Runyon has the ability to be a solid RT. I thought he played well, when he was in last year and getting him some better coaching this year should only improve his game. The LT spot has players who can compete in JBB, Hudson, Fialaga (SP?) and even Stueber. I am confident whoever comes out on top in camps will do a very good job for us there. I never felt Mason was a great LT as he played out of position, so doubt there will be a drop off from last year and could even see an uptick in play there.

I think Harbaugh made some good off season changes on the coaching side, which should help out this offense. If we can put a little above offense on the field every game this team could end up being very good with our tough our defense should be.

Tyler1495

April 17th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^

You talk about how hudson was a defensive player before switching, Grant Newsome was a converted TE a year before starting and he was wondeful

huntmich

April 17th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^

I'm not afraid of @state. I like our odds to open the season @ND. @OSU is gonna be a bitch. But at least we get wiscy and PSU at home. It's gonna be a tough slog this year but it's going to be like that for the big ten for the next, I dunno, decade? Gotta beat the best to be the best, and with this D, if we can get competent O-Line and qb play, we can win big games throughout the season.

BlueMan80

April 17th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^

You've got to believe you can win to actually do it.  Glad the positive vibes are flowing.

Looking forward to a functional passing game with receivers that can get open.  Yes, freshmen receivers do suck.  All we need is a mediocre offense to have a good season.

Seth

April 17th, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^

Yes. It's a bummer that he broke his toe because this was going to be a big spring for him. Either way he's a different player than the other guys at TE and you'll see him plenty this fall. I think what he hasn't had is an opportunity to use that to become more of an every down guy.

stephenrjking

April 17th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^

Spring is always going to bring hype.

It's notable that Peters is ahead of McCaffrey at this point. People are talking about him "taking steps," but I'm not exactly filled with confidence there yet. Shea's ability to come in and immediately hit the top of the pole tells us something about the two guys behind him, IMO, and I'm a bit worried we'll see a transfer.

Regarding OL, the hype tells me what I want to hear, that guys are getting better, that Hudson is really rising, that JBB and Runyan are really good, etc.

OTOH we saw JBB and Runyan last year and hearing "JBB and Runyan are your tackles" is not something that fills me with confidence. 

Maybe the growth is real. Maybe it isn't. I guess the fact that Ulizio isn't in the conversation suggests that they're well above his floor, but we'll have to see.

I'm looking forward to seeing HIgdon and the receivers next year, though. That hype is real.

UMProud

April 17th, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^

I'm okay with a QB transfer tbh.  After seeing true Freshman, in multiple programs, light shit on fire if our guys can't win the spot after a couple years then maybe something isn't a good fit.  I like what Harbaugh is doing with the QB stable which will glisten nicely in the next few years.

stephenrjking

April 17th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^

A transfer is almost inevitable; Harbaugh recruits QBs expecting guys to transfer here and there, because you don't keep four or five starting-caliber QBs on the same roster on a regular basis.

My worry is losing the "right" guy. My opinion is still that McCaffrey is the "right" guy, but that's an opinion that has yet to be informed by any data that can confirm or refute it. So my main concern is the unknown.

Peters, being a year ahead, seems like the more probably transfer candidate to me, but if he's clearly in line to start in 2019 after a first-round-pick type season from Shea, he might stick. 

BTB grad

April 17th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^

The insider news we were getting last spring and fall camps was "black hole on right side of OL" and "freshmen WRs suck"

 

I like this outlook much, much better.

Seth

April 17th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^

The read on this I got from a guy who posts in a locked facebook group I'm in is that when Shea is in there he really separates himself, and if he knew the whole playbook he'd be getting the first team reps. However you don't want to slow down the rest of the team--the stuff Shea doesn't have down yet the rest of the offense does, and should be repping.

Also Peters is your returning starter and chose Michigan when Patterson chose Hugh Freeze. It's not going to be easy, but if Shea wants to pass Peters he's going to have to earn his way to the spot Peters earned. That's both play and learning the system. It's not hard to see the trajectory here--I too prroject that Shea will win the job--but right now the offense can practice the entire offense with Peters, and Peters is getting the chance he earned to keep his job.

Also projections are not facts. This one is NOT over.

Shop Smart Sho…

April 17th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^

"Peters was a standard freshman."
But was he though? He had a better Int RT than everyone aside from Luck, which includes Henne just chucking deep balls to Braylon.

I think that, and what we should assume is a greater understanding of the playbook, means he's in a pretty good position to take the starting job. Of course, that's all pending his confidence not being broken after his last couple of games.

If there is one thing we can all agree on, Harbaugh has shown he wants his QB to know the playbook and not turn the ball over. In that respect, Peters pretty much fits the bill.

Ali G Bomaye

April 17th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^

Harbaugh/Hamilton used an extremely conservative playbook with Peters last year. The Outback Bowl was the first one of his starts in which he threw more than 18 passes, and he averaged fewer than 12 yards per completion and 6.2 yards per attempt. Tough to throw interceptions if you're throwing seldomly and dumping it down when you do throw.

likerice

April 17th, 2018 at 2:35 PM ^

After watching the Amazon doc, I was reminded of my initial impression of Peters being pretty good in his first few games. He has nice touch on the ball and seemed to make good reads. Maybe he just had a bad game in the Outback Bowl.

 

Also I wouldn't read too much into Peters's stats due to the very small sample size.

 

Ali G Bomaye

April 17th, 2018 at 3:17 PM ^

Oh, I'm not close to judging Peters as a whole. I still think he has a ton of potential and will end up being a very good QB. I'm just responding to the idea that based on his stats last year, he's good at avoiding turnovers. He may be good at avoiding turnovers, but he mostly avoided them last year due to our conservative game plans.

Blue_42

April 17th, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^

Regarding the O line, it's great to hear so much optimism. Spring fluff or not I've come back in off the ledge I found myself on regarding the line after last year.

I'm not worried about the QB position at all.  I believe we can win with both. Whether it's Shea or Peters, we end up at the same place at the end of the year.  It just may look a little different in how we get there.

Can't wait for the season to get here. Go Blue!

UMinSF

April 17th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

Thank you Seth for the QB comparison chart(?) - chart. Wow, that was illuminating to me. 

IMO, based on that information, if Shea plays we're gonna have an absolutely top-tier talent at the helm. If not, well, hopefully Brandon makes a leap. 

I've read and heard a lot about how good Shea is, and sure, different system/different style, etc. - but wow! His numbers sure jump off the page.

Fingers crossed!

CLion

April 17th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^

I thought the purpose of spring was irrational hype: Freddy Canteen and his Swiss-engineered routes comes to mind. The only time I don't hope to hear hype is if an established starter is just going about their business.

Ali G Bomaye

April 17th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^

This is neither here nor there, but I never got the Canteen-as-route-maestro hype. That seemed to be based on the one recruiting video of him taking micro-steps through cones, which would seem to have a low correlation to ability to run full-speed routes.

m1jjb00

April 17th, 2018 at 2:01 PM ^

If JBB is good enough to be your LT then his pass pro has to be good enough for RT

The one thing JBB was decent at last year was mashin', and correct me if I'm wrong, better than Runyan.  RT is your mashin' tackle, no?

So, maybe your thought is that Runyan can't play LT b/c his arms are too short.  But not too short to play RT?

I suppose there's a way to square this up, but it's too painful to think about.  I prefer to talk myself into thinking 3 guys for 2 spots isn't bad as you got a spare.

Seth

April 17th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^

We didn't get UFRs from the portion of the season Runyan was starting, but his pass pro technique appears to be a lot better than JBB's. His pass pro upside however is limited because, yes, smaller arms, smaller body.

Protecting the blind side and protecting the front side are both important, though you get different effects. Blind side you can get your QB hit when he's not expecting it, causing fumbles and injuries. Front side you get 2014 Devin Gardner syndrome, where your QB is expecting pressure in his face and it messes with his head to the point that he's not seeing the field anymore. That happened to all three of Michigan's QBs last year with JBB or Ulizio at right tackle. It's a big deal.

Runyan's thing is he won't be a masher. He's athletic but he won't be blasting open holes. If you put him at left tackle however you're going to be putting him against more elite pass rushers, and giving him help less often, and we're back to blindside hits and fumbles and injuries. Left tackles really need those long arms and quick feet and huge radii because those features all extend, by a fraction of a second, how long your QB has when you lose a rep to the pass rusher. The wider path he has to take, the longer your have to get the ball out. On the other side they can't take those angles because the QB is already facing them--if you get pushed past you've given up the edge.

In reply to by CLion

Seth

April 17th, 2018 at 2:30 PM ^

Runyan is probably locking down RT because his pass pro is effective for an RT: he can anchor against a big SDE and he can have TE or RB help against a pass rushing DE, and he has the agility and technique to consistently win the battles an RT will face (unless going against a Rashan Gary who can pass rush like a Taco but plow inside like a Wormley, but nobody else has one of those). If you put him at left tackle you're creating the worse matchup for him and taking away help unless M wants to be super Al Borges level obvious that he's getting help and tell the defense not to bother covering an eliglble receive.r

TK

April 17th, 2018 at 2:03 PM ^

So rewind a year ago. Was there much positivity at that point? Seems like hope springs eternal every spring so I hope this isn’t just another case of everyone getting too excited. Personally I think we will be much better on offense, although that isn’t setting the bar very high.

DTOW

April 17th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^

For some reason I seem to remember this time last year most people thinking we had an 8-9 win team on our hands. Oddly enough, when that came to fruition the sky started falling. I think this team is going to take a substantial jump forward. I’ll be disappointed with less than 10 wins with a ceiling of a playoff birth depending on Shea’s eligibility.